Evian and Roy Pmisra 2

``......Pakistani is bnsically finished as an idea and as a state. An economically resurgent india (say with an economy 25 times Pakistan) in which ALL indians participate will make it completely irrelevant to South Asia. Good relationships with all other South Asian states would also help some. In the meantime, we will have to put with some General X or Y being patted on the back in Beijing or D.C. for some time.......``

PMisra2

shame on you

Havent we heard the above rhetoric threats intimidations..... far too many times from likes of you even before the 3-4 times you attacked us .You might have hurt us little but your infliction on you from us, was no less to allow you to finish us ,in`` Lahore maine chai Piyen ge `` ..yaad nahi hai tou daddy se poocho qissa

Or one time time Shastri fainted & died when he saw the giant Ayub Khan .Since then hindu anger against Ayub never died but translated into hatred against Punjabi muslims & then Pakistan whole...& then Islam as whole (92 babri masjid)

Evian and Roy #: 51

Stuka

Urstruly:``

``...That is the whole point you hypocritical idiot. Why the concern just for the Kashmiris? Why not the Bihari speaking Pakistanis? Coz they don`t bring any real estate with them?? You islamists are the biggest haraamis on this planet,covering it with a shroud of doublespeak does not change anything...``



Stuka

Do you Know how many so called``biharis`` were there in Bangladesh???

And in case you dont know every Non bengali including Punjabi are ``biharis`` in the eyes of Bangladeshi !!

Right now less than 200,000(2Lacs) people are there so called ``bihari`` for 30 yrs in Campss .A miniscule speck in terms of Bangladeshs 150 millions or Pakistans 130 millions .Arnt the hindu Kashmiri pundits i hear from Indian in Camps in much larger proportion ..in millions if i were to Believe ;) Indian propoganda ...

Those 2 lacs max could have come like 20 millions ``biharis`` who started coming even before the Indian Armies Mukti Bahini Mutiny in the East Pakistan.

The April Fool Referendum JESUS i can swear on cross ,Sadna is some Genius .She analyzes news ,critics presidents ,strategy of

Pakistans think tank ,& also believes she has invented new elements ..that are missing in Periodic tables by her insightfull scholarship of Sanskrit Astrological science .

Chowk is zoo of megalomanics thinking of themselves anywhere from expert in Pakistan history, motives & prediction of doom not realisining that perhaps Hindians have million times each day like palmist astrologer on footpaths of Mumbai predict demise of Pakistan & by that account Pakistan is born billion

times otherwise how else can Hindians explain that IT EXISISTS DESPITE them

What Went Wrong With Devdas

Lucy since you r from South meaning Madras ....& you claim you r not Malabarian fake Shankar

ttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?artid=19880634

100 kids undergo burial ritual in Tamil Nadu

AFP [ THURSDAY, AUGUST 22, 2002 7:24:44 PM ]

CHENNAI: More than 100 children were buried alive for about a minute as part of a ritual to appease two Hindu goddesses in a village in Tamil Nadu, a priest said on Thursday.

``More than 8,000 girls and young men have gone through this ritual of live burial at this temple in the last 400 years and we have not had a single mishap recorded,`` Raj said.

Children, wrapped in cloths dipped in turmeric water, were brought by parents in a procession to the beating of drums and accompanied by male and female priests.

To take part in the ritual, girls should not have attained puberty while boys needed to be unmarried and usually in the age group of four to 20.



Do you find this disturbing? Isn`t this traumatic for the children? How come this custom continue? What do you think?

always,

T

Piece of What? #: 7

semipreciousme

...shandana, great write-up as usual...

``The other high point of the event were the egg sandwiches.``

...and the roast chicken:)...



Make up your fickle mind or is it feeble or unpredictable??

On YLH board you raved about her & sensing the flow of the wind against AR,you chime like an echoliliac addh kid ``..roast chicken``?????

India’s Potential Lose-Lose-Lose Scenario

For the benefit of Pakistanis on the occasion of 55th Birth day

MANSOOR IJAZ, columnist and Fox News Channel analyst

Mansoor Ijaz is a foreign affairs analyst for the Fox News Channel. The

son of a pioneer in Pakistan`s nuclear infrastructure, Ijaz founded

Crescent Investment Management LLC. He is also a member of the Council on

Foreign Relations. As a private citizen, he is deeply involved in

national security, terrorism and nuclear proliferation issues, as well as

being a leading American Muslim political activist. He also famously

negotiated Sudan`s counter-terrorism offer to the Clinton administration

in April 1997 and proposed the framework for a ceasefire of hostilities

between Indian security forces and Mujahedeen fighters in Kashmir in

August 2000. More on Ijaz: http://www.saja.org/ijaz.html

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation

India’s Potential Lose-Lose-Lose Scenario

Hey Arjun_M

Not that i blame you personally but your news papers for blaming the GujjuRIOTS on Godhra fiasco for the incentive & Newtonian Modis opposite reaction & retaliation

NOW

It appears according to two days back report in HINDU news paper that WAJHPAL a most influential BJP leader in Advanis Rath Yatra ,after leaving BJP exposes that .................

BJP may have been behind Godhra attack: Waghela



Hindu

``I know these BJP people... They can go to any extent for the sake of power. I will not be surprised if it is revealed later that the BJP itself was involved in setting fire to the train,`` Mr. Waghela, one of the founding leaders of the State BJP and its one time president, sai

India’s Potential Lose-Lose-Lose Scenario

India’s Potential Lose-Lose-Lose Scenario

India’s Potential Lose-Lose-Lose Scenario

PENNATHUR

#101

..``We should never become an American poodle, but unthinking opposition is as absurd as blind support...``

Your T.Shenoy ,Hero ,has no advice just DOUBLE talk .

Its like saying it is not hot but its not cold either .Why not say it is status quo room temperature !

You crticize ..It is Pakistanis who are failing ,not being ABLE to ,meaning INCAPABLE .

What do you think T.Shenoy is .Exactly what you say of Pakistanis & critical about .

Failure to act .T.Shenoy `s advuice is any support of America will be BLIND hence dont support but at the same time you can cuddle up when it is PROFITABLE then we will call the oPPOSITION is ``UNTHINKING `` & there fore our action justified!!!

You & T.Shenot mistake verbal dirrhoea & verbosity with Intelligence which neither of you have .

The Sanjay Dutt Tapes Bund Dimaagh how much dimaagh do you need to know that majority of crime in hindustan will be done by Hindu Sthani



BULLETS FLY INSIDE MUMBAI DISCO

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OUR CORRESPONDENT



Mumbai, Aug. 14:

Revellers at J49, one of Mumbai’s favourite discotheques at Juhu, had barely started rolling in when four armed men stormed in and sprayed bullets.

The attack last night had no apparent target but has struck right at the heart of Mumbai’s partygoers. “Oh god, I am such a regular visitor at J49,’’ said Pinky Shah, a copywriter. “What if I had been there when the shootout happened? I don’t think I’ll go there ever again.”

At about 9.30 pm, four men, some carrying carbines, sauntered into the disco. After surveying the scene, they began firing indiscriminately. Two persons were injured though eyewitnesses and police said they were not the real targets. While a bouncer was shot in the leg, the watchman, Dinesh Jha, was hit on the shoulder.

What has baffled the police are the accounts of eyewitnesses, saying the gunmen “seemed to be in no hurry to flee”. After firing 29 rounds, the assailants just walked away.

“Maybe they wanted to show that they were not afraid and that they meant business,” said an officer posted at Juhu police station.

What is also rankling the police is the use of carbines, supposed to be rare in attacks by the underworld. The shootout has the police struggling with the identity of the men and their motive.

One theory doing the rounds is that Hemant Pujari, former aide of underworld don Chhota Rajan, was behind the attack. Crime branch sources conjectured that Pujari’s gang “basically intended to show the gang’s clout and its increasing hold over the city”.

Another conjecture is that the shooters were actually targeting owner Dhananjay Shetty as his brother, Vinod, is believed to have played a key role in the attack on Rajan in Bangkok, which was masterminded by Chhota Shakeel and his hit-man Sharad Shetty.

Happy 56th Anniversary, Pakistan and India #: 32

arjun_m

Paki Pipe Dreams. Three years ago, some paki projected 1 billion $ in IT exports by 2003.

hEY arjun_m

wHEN YOUR GREAT GRAND DADDY WHOSE PIGGY BAG YOU PLAN TO RIDE INTO I.T. BOOM ARE GROANING WITH THE 9-11 BLOW (AS OF TODAY DOW JONES IS SLIDING DOWNFOR 2 +YEATRS)I DONT KNOW AMERICANS ARE HURTING 70.000 AMERICAN AIRLINES EMPLOYUEES & ALL OF U.S. AIRWAYS ARE UNEMPLOYED TO DAY

DO YOU THINK YOUR INDIA IS ANY BETTER

YOUR HEROES sYCAMORE ,sidhu ARE ALL CROOKS

AMERICAS POWERED BY

INDIATIMES

Indians in Fortune`s Greedy Bunch

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CHIDANAND RAGHATTA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ TUESDAY, AUGUST 13, 2002 12:05:51 PM ]



WASHINGTON: Three Indian-American hi-tech executives have been named in an unsavoury list of 25 corporate pashas who cashed in on the hi-tech bubble of the 1990s and became multi-millionaires even as their companies went into a tailspin and pauperised many investors.

I2 Technologies Sanjiv Sidhu, Sycamore Networks` Desh Deshpande, and Infospace Naveen Jain make what Fortune calls the ``Greedy Bunch`` list of tech tycoons. The list also includes tech luminaries such as AOL Time Warner’s Steve Case, Cisco Systems’ John Chambers, and AT&T’s John Malone.

``They got rich because they were able to take advantage of the bubble to cash in hundreds of millions of dollars` worth of stock -- stock that was usually handed to them via risk-free options -- at vastly inflated prices,`` Fortune wrote in a scathing commentary that accompanied the dubious honours roll. ``When the bubble burst, their shareholders were left holding the bag. But, hey, they had theirs.``

Topping the list of corporate cherry pickers are Qwest Communications’ Philip Anschutz and Broadcom’s Henri Samueli, both of whom sold stock worth more than $2 billion each when their companies were flying high.

Sidhu, who founded I2 Technologies, sold stock worth $1.03 billion and ranks seventh in the list. Sycamore’s Deshpande comes in 15th after raking in $726 million, and Infospace’s Naveen Jain is 19th after skimming $541 million.

At its peak, Sycamore traded at more than $300 a share, I2 at more than $200, and Infospace at more than $100. They now trade at around $3, 75 cents and 50 cents respectively.

While some executives have argued that they were well within their right to take some money off the table and they cannot be blamed for the tech mania that pumped up their companies to such absurd valuation, Fortune does not take a charitable view of the explanation.

``For an ordinary investor, it is nearly impossible to look at this list and not feel ripped off. In some cases insiders clearly cheated the investment community to realise their gains -- by ginning up revenue numbers that have turned out to be phony,`` the magazine wrote.

``But even putting those cases aside, the billions of dollars of insider sales make absurd many of the rationales executives used to justify their new wealth. Take, for instance, the notion that executives were being rewarded for performance. Plainly, the executives on this list did not perform. They failed miserably; in many cases they failed even as they were bragging about how well they were doing and how much their stock would rise,`` it said.

By Fortune`s estimate, executives and directors of the 1,035 corporations it examined took out roughly $66 billion during the bubble years. Of that amount, a total haul of $23 billion went to 466 insiders at the 25 corporations where the executives cashed out the most.

The magazine looked at companies that had hit a market cap of at least $400 million -- and fallen by at least 75 per cent from the highs they reached during the bubble years. Only stock sales from 1999 were counted.

``What really took place was a breach of faith, with the insiders in effect betraying their shareholders by making sure that they themselves wound up rich no matter how badly things turned out for their companies or their investors,`` the magazine said.

``For too many executives, the easy riches to be made were hugely tempting, and the moral (and sometimes legal) niceties easily ignored. All too often, the people who ran the companies that were the darlings of the bull market saw nothing wrong with taking a seat at the casino, selling high, and cashing out their chips. To put it another way, they got greedy,`` it added.

Rank Company Total sold Top seller

1. Qwest Communications $2.26 billion Philip Anschutz

2. BroadCom $2.08 billion Henry Samueli

3. AOL Time Warner $1.79 billion Steve Case

4. Gateway $1.27 billion Ted Waitt

5. Ariba $1.24 billion Rob Desantis

6. JDS Uniphase $1.15 billion Kevin Kalkhoven

7. i2 Technologies $1.03 billion Sanjiv Sidhu

8. Sun Microsystems $1.03 billion Bill Joy

9. Enron $994 million Lou Pai

10. Global Crossing $951 million Gary Winnick

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation Hey ARJUN_M NOT 99.999999% OF HINDIANS ARE CROOKS LIKE SYCAMORE & SIDHU & 12 TECH THESE NINCOMPOOPS CANT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN INSECTS & UFO ..

Villagers Blame UFO for India Attacks

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By Prajnan Bhattacharya

Associated Press Writer

Monday, August 12, 2002; 2:38 PM SHANWA, India –– It comes in the night, a flying sphere emitting red and blue lights that attacks villagers in this poor region, extensively burning those victims it does not kill.At least that`s what panic-stricken villagers say. At least seven people have died of unexplained injuries in the past week in Uttar Pradesh state.``A mysterious flying object attacked him in the night,`` Raghuraj Pal said of his neighbor, Ramji Pal, who died recently in Shanwa. ``His stomach was ripped open. He died two days later.``Many others have suffered scratches and surface wounds, which they say were inflicted while they slept. In the village of Darra, 53-year-old Kalawati said she was attacked last week and displayed blisters on her blackened forearms.``It was like a big soccer ball with sparkling lights,`` said Kalawati, who uses only one name. ``It burned my skin.````I can`t sleep because of pain,`` she said.Doctors dismiss the stories as mass hysteria.``More often than not the victims have unconsciously inflicted the symptoms themselves,`` said Narrotam Lal, a doctor at King George`s Medical College in Lucknow, the state capital.The police have another explanation: bugs.``It is a three-and-a-half-inch-long winged insect`` that leaves rashes and superficial wounds, Kavindra P. Singh, a superintendent of police, told the Press Trust of India news agency.Police drew this conclusion after residents of one village found insects they had never seen before.Villagers are unconvinced. In the most affected area, the Mirzapur district, 440 miles southeast of New Delhi, people have stopped sleeping outdoors despite the sweltering heat and frequent power outages.Villagers also have formed protection squads that patrol Shanwa, beating drums and shouting slogans such as, ``Everyone alert. Attackers beware.``Some accuse district officials of inaction and failing to capture the ``aliens.`` One person died Thursday in nearby Sitapur when police fired shots to disperse a 10,000-strong crowd demanding that authorities capture the mysterious attackers.``People just block the roads and attack the police for inaction each time there`s a death or injury,`` said Amrit Abhijat, Mirzapur`s district magistrate, who claims he has captured the UFO on film.

India’s Potential Lose-Lose-Lose Scenario

Hey ARJUN_M

GUESS WHAT? YOUR I.T. HEROES AFTER ALL WERE ZERO MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

ORDINARY CROOKS JUST LIKE THE SCALPERS OF BOLLYWOOD TICKETS ALL OVER MUMBAI & INDIA ONLY THESE LEARNT FROM IIT

Indians in Fortune`s Greedy Bunch

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CHIDANAND RAGHATTA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ TUESDAY, AUGUST 13, 2002 12:05:51 PM ]

WASHINGTON: Three Indian-American hi-tech executives have been named in an unsavoury list of 25 corporate pashas who cashed in on the hi-tech bubble of the 1990s and became multi-millionaires even as their companies went into a tailspin and pauperised many investors.

I2 Technologies Sanjiv Sidhu, Sycamore Networks` Desh Deshpande, and Infospace Naveen Jain make what Fortune calls the ``Greedy Bunch`` list of tech tycoons. The list also includes tech luminaries such as AOL Time Warner’s Steve Case, Cisco Systems’ John Chambers, and AT&T’s John Malone.

``They got rich because they were able to take advantage of the bubble to cash in hundreds of millions of dollars` worth of stock -- stock that was usually handed to them via risk-free options -- at vastly inflated prices,`` Fortune wrote in a scathing commentary that accompanied the dubious honours roll. ``When the bubble burst, their shareholders were left holding the bag. But, hey, they had theirs.``

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation

#164

ASk not what you can be Godess of others ...ask what you did for people who gave you everything undeservedly .

Jawahra from Allahabad ,a secular name bearing non TNT believer can you tell me Why ?

Or you are more interested in becoming Godess of Nothing against obligated to return the debt owed to the atleast thousand indians life earnings needed to give her the periveleged Education which is suspect ,at best, true education....in the real sense of the term``education``

http://sifyspecials.sify.com/i_day/fullstory.asp?id=4493

On top of this is the reality that the representation of the Muslims in the political process is disproportionate to their numerical strength in India. Why? Because the most secular of the political parties cannot deliver Hindu



votes to a Muslim candidate.



If INDIA IS SECULAR WHY HINDUS CANNOT OR DO NOT VOTE FOR MUSLIM CANDIDATES LIKE SHAHABUDDIN WHO WAS IFS OFFICER SERVED INDIA BEFORE RETIRING HONRABLY ???????







Whither the Indian Muslim?

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Syed Shahabuddin

The status of the Indian Muslim since independence has been mixed. There is no doubt that the Muslim in India today are much better off economically than they were at the dawn of independence. But my only point of reservation is that the disparity between Muslim as a group and the rest of the country has increased. The many historical reasons for this have been well elucidated and I do not want to repeat the assertions. In the life of the Indian Muslim since independence, the year 1971 was a watershed. Until 1971, there was a certain diffidence in the Muslim mind on whether we belonged to India, should we stay etc. This uncertainty totally disappeared in 1971. Until the creation of Bangladesh, there was a lingering thought in the Muslim`s mind that if worse comes to worse, Pakistan is always there. In 1971 that myth was demolished. There was no chor darwaza (escape route) after 1971. Not even at the mental level. There was a psychological change in the Muslim mind. After that realisation, there has been a total commitment to this country. There was a desire to be and belong in the Muslim mind. Unfortunately, however, 1971 was the year that saw one of the cornerstones of Indian democracy and pluralism – secularism – was being whittled down. That has caused a lot of anguish in the Muslim mind and today the Muslim`s faith in the secular structure is waning. The Muslims, since independence has never sided with the communal forces. There is no national level party of the Muslims. Though the Muslim League exists, it is only in Kerala, in very specialised conditions, and Hyderabad like a city affair. So, by and large, the Muslims have put their faith in the secular parties. Almost to the point of excluding the possibility of building up a Muslim leader form among the community. Right form Nehru to Rajiv Gandhi, they have accepted the leaders thrown up by the system. They have not pointed to one among their community and said that he was our leader. So the Muslims of India have never put their faith in a Muslim leader or a Muslim party and have always put a premium on secular parties and and secular leaders. But their aspirations and integration to the national mainstream has been totally thwarted by the rise of Hindu fundamentalism. And, the result is for all to see. Today what was earlier talked in whispers is being shouted out at platforms. Politically, today the Muslims were in a perplexed state of mind that they were in 1947. On top of this is the reality that the representation of the Muslims in the political process is disproportionate to their numerical strength in India. Why? Because the most secular of the political parties cannot deliver Hindu votes to a Muslim candidate. Because the Muslims do not have the winnability, most of the political parties are averse to putting them up. With the result that, in Parliament, they are just fifty per cent of the number of what they ought to be. In majority of the assemblies they are not represented at all. In our segmented society, there is hardly anybody that the Muslim masses can look up to in his own community. Therefore, there are no interlocutors between the Muslim community and the Indian state. The Right has asserted that the secular parties have indulged in the appeasement of the Muslim community. But this has no basis in fact , at all. What do they mean by appeasement? Do they mean a share in government jobs? Then the Muslims are under-represented to the tune of fifty per cent of what they ought to be. If appeasement means a stake in the power structure, they are not even represented in most of the legislatures. The system also works in a manner that most of the Muslim faces you find in the power structure are mere tokens. A Muslim has been elected as the President of India but do you see a sense of delight in the Muslim mind? For the simple reason that he is a mere token. One past President of the Republic said that it is easier for a Muslim to become the President of India than to become a clerk at the Rashtrapathi Bhawan. Are the Muslims pre-dominant in commerce and industry? Are they to be seen in the professions? Are they in the academia? I mean where have they been pushed forward? So where is the appeasement? But it is not my case that the Muslim is the only deprived community in India. It is one among the many. But in the political matrix that we are operating, the Muslims suffer in a double sense. The Muslims suffer because of their backwardness and they also suffer because of their religious label. Today there has been a Hinduisation of the entire polity. In the 1980s, it was Indira Gandhi who sowed the seeds for Hindu communalism. She was not strategically a communal but she played the communal card at the tactical level. She introduced a Hindi phase in the 1980s and that was what gave a push to the Hindu-isation of the Indian polity and economy. The educational, economic backwardness of the Muslims and the increase in competition in the larger Indian society for scarce resources, the slogan of why the Muslims were in India when they had got their Pakistan etc. acquired a certain legitimacy and the Right has made full use of it. Under the BJP regime, all that was in the closet has come out in the open as far as their antipathy to the Muslims were concerned. This is what led to Gujarat. What happened in Gujarat, for some years past, was that those in power, for political reasons, gave total freedom to the subversive forces to brainwash the Hindu society. Organisations like the VHP had a free run there and they made Gujarat their social laboratory. The first experiment of the laboratory is what you see in the recent carnage. But I still see positives even in the Gujarat situation. The most important positive is that not all of Gujarat was burning. Only seven or eight districts among the 18 were affected. Even in the affected districts not the entire district was burning. Secondly, while Gujarat was burning the rest of the country was quiet. It did not spill to other parts of the country. It is a sign that not all hope is lost. There are growing signs of regret on the part of the `real` Hindus in Gujarat. Their voices now say that it should not have happened. This is also spreading among the masses. Moreover, the media`s role, barring one or two mischievous elements inside Gujarat, have been exemplary. Lately, the incidents of 9/11 have been touted to mean that the whole of the world`s Muslim community is a bunch of terrorists and jehadis. But let me ask you, did the US find a single Indian Muslim in the Al Qaida or Afghanistan? Did they find an Indian Muslim anywhere as a member of the al Qaida? The fact is that there is none! Indian Muslims account for more than 15 per cent of the world Muslim population. How come Osama Bin Laden has no grip here? Mind you, that Osama may stand for certain issues on which the Indian Muslim has a certain sympathy. For instance, the question of Palestine. And, this is not a feeling shared only by the Muslims in India. Even in Kashmir, can you find Muslims from other parts of India going there to launch a `jehad ` against the Indian State? In fact, only a small percentage of the militants in Kashmir are form Kashmir. Most of the militants have come form across the border. They have been financed, trained, armed and incited by Pakistan. I personally feel that Kashmir should remain part of India. But the sentiments of the Kashmiri people have to be respected under the four corners of the Constitution. There is a clear case for autonomy for the people of Kashmir. However, the struggle of the Kashmiri people has to be asserted in a non-violent manner. There is no scope for terrorism or use of violence to achieve political ends. The reason for not finding a non-Kashmiri Indian Muslim fighting a battle in Kashmir is that historically for the last 100 years of the the history of the Sub-continent, the Indian Muslim has been wedded to the democratic method. In the entire movement for Pakistan, the word `jehad` was never used. Not one resolution of the Muslim League or their public statements used the word `jehad `. Where does the Indian Muslim community go from here? First of all, there is the task of introspection, coming to terms with itself. Do everything it can for its own educational and social progress. At the same time, it has to make efforts to find its due place in the Indian power structure. Empowerment and identity are the key words along with a process of introspection and a fillip to social reforms with in the community of 150 million in India. This is the challenge that an Indian Muslim faces today. It has to find its feet in India. (As told to E Jayakrishnan) Syed Shahabuddin, Ex MP is the Convener of the Babri Masjid Coordination Committee. He was a member of the Indian Foreign Service (IFS) but resigned in 1978, after twenty years of service, to embark on a career in public life