The Passion of The Pacifist

Caste, Technology and Religious Conversions in India #: 7

harimau

The author says, ``Many historians, such as Percival Spear, also believe that it was not so much the Muslim rulers of medieval India who forced mass conversions, but the teachings of equality (among human beings) which were preached by the Sufi pirs. It is an argument that seems more plausible, because we see in the post-1947 period that some Dalit sub-groups have left the fold of Hinduism and converted to Buddhism.``

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Harimou

You can think & BELIEVEcows fly & Mahabharata invented aeroplane & Arun Shourie is Bertrand Russell incarnate .

The reason only 2 % indian are christian b/c you will NEVER find a muslim converting to Christianity as a rule .By the time British reached India through East India co .India already was 37 % muslim.

As to your contention ludicurous as it is ,if even 5 % of the muslims were FORCED muslims ,there should have been drop in Muslim % AFTER partition B/c IT WOULD BE MORE PROFITABLE FOR THE ERSTWHILE HINDU WHO ACCORDING TO YOU WERE FORCED INTO ISLAM,SHOULD HAVE REVERTED BACK TO HINDUISM ,BUT TO DATE NOT EVEN ONE SUCH CASE IS RECORDED!!

I am sure the wretched condition most of the indian muslims are due to neglect ,if they were unreal or grudgingly ,muslim,why would they choose to be persecuted or Atleast accept 2nd level citizenshiop ,when they could easily call them selves Hindu ,& neither would they have to keep Roza nor peray 5 times & memorise foreign arabic sura & koran!

Think if you have bheja or i dontr care ewhether you ar Brahmin or not ,a sudra is better than you

Muslims and The West After 11th September Dost-Mittar #562

The Girl Next Door Press Statement issued by the Ministry of External Affairs on U.S.

President`s statement on the occasion of the 100th day after

September 11th

December 21, 2001

New Delhi

We have seen the statement by President Bush on the occasion of the

hundredth day after the terrorist attacks in the United States on

September 11. We appreciate that President Bush has condemned the

terrorist attacks against India. His reflection, that though progress

has been made in the global campaign against terrorism in these

hundred days, terrorists continue to target freedom and democracy, as

seen in the terrorist attacks in Srinagar on 1st October and in New

Delhi on 13th December, points to the need for continuing our

struggle against terrorism until it has been rooted out from every

place in this world. It also highlights the obligation of all nations

to join this battle without adopting a selective approach. India has

its own experience regarding President Musharraf`s willingness to

fight all forms of terrorism, wherever they might exist.

We welcome the U.S. notification of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba as a Specially

Designated Global Terrorist, along with other Pakistan-based

organisations such as Jaish-e-Mohammed and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen,

which have been designated earlier. We note that the United States

has recognised that Lashkar-e-Tayyiba is the armed wing of the

Pakistan-based religious organisation Markaz-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad and

has conducted a number of operations against Indian troops and

civilian targets in Jammu & Kashmir.

We hope that all countries will unreservedly take punitive measures

against these terrorist organisations.

The Passion of The Pacifist Its a sad out come of a restless soul(mr.Engineer) caught in the turmoil of conflicting loyalties to sub sect of Bohra to belonging to larger muslim ummah ,yet being minority to non muslim hegonomy .

It needs more than unusual resilience to make sense out of these conflicts .

Most of assertion of mr.Engineeer are OPINIONS rather than backed by religous text of any religion.As a tesimony of his agony & pain it is admirable but as a solution to Hindutva in india ,iam afraid muslims like Kashmiris ,who have yet to make there final discision will buy these conditions for being part of a country which after more than 1000 years of interaction with muslims have refused to accept it & still tries to change islam into its own acceptable version.Why dont we see a islamised version of hinduism in the form of reformed hindu rather than forcing muslims to give up non veg habit ,role of females ,spiritual inspiration from mecca etc.

The Girl Next Door

What will be the end result even if India decides to go inside Pakistan & say captures certasin part of it.Pakistans each citizen hate India with inherent distate that it wont be pic nic holding to Muslim dominate area as seen in Kashmir .Pakistans ultimate defence that it is a THORN ,& will always hurt any flesh that tramples it.Its not your fault India ,it is you fate.

India Ought to Repress the Urge to `Teach



Pakistan a Lesson`



Philip Bowring

International Herald Tribune

Tuesday, December 18, 2001



NEW DELHI Last week`s attack on the Indian Parliament could scarcely have been better timed by those who want to escalate tensions on the subcontinent and stir communal politics in India..

The natural instinct for India is to blame Pakistan for its support of Muslim militants. Influential voices urge revenge by hitting alleged militant training centers in Pakistan-controlled territory. The government has two examples to follow of retribution for its own sake: the United States in Afghanistan and Israel in Palestine..

The dangers of India opting for retaliation are great..

The government is led by the Hindu-nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, which is especially suspicious of Muslim Pakistan and badly needs to bolster its image in advance of key state polls next year..

The great leap forward in Indian-U.S. cooperation since the Bush administration came to office may embolden India. This improvement was under way before Sept. 11, as Washington sought a bigger role for India to balance the weight of China in Asia and to avert a revival of Russian influence in New Delhi. Since that day, exchanges on military links and anti-terrorist and diplomatic cooperation have multiplied..

The United States should use its new influence to counsel restraint, and not just because India and Pakistan are nuclear powers. Pakistan does support Kashmiri militants in general and some groups in particular, but it cannot be directly blamed for all their actions..

For all Pakistan`s sins in backing Muslim militants, the fact remains that Kashmir is a political problem between two states, and one which long preceded the rise of Islamic fundamentalism or the armed militancy fostered by conflict in Afghanistan and Chechnya. What is important is that both sides confine their dispute to Kashmir..

Pakistan will need to crack down on militant activities, and specifically on any which seek to spread terror elsewhere in India. But India must recognize the difficulties that President Pervez Musharraf faces in suddenly controlling groups fostered by Western and Arab as well as Pakistani support..

New Delhi is well aware of the problems of dealing with militants. It had huge, locally generated problems with the Sikhs in the 1980s. The Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, who made a specialty of suicide bombings long before Osama bin Laden and Hamas, continue to thrive on the guns, money and supply routes provided by their cousins in India. (To India`s relief, the Tamil Tigers have so far been left out of the ``global war on terrorism.``).

Recent weeks have seen a bloody leftist insurgency in Nepal. Quite what support, if any, these insurgents gets from India is not clear, but the long border is porous and faces India`s most lawless state, Bihar, and its most populous state, Uttar Pradesh..

The attack on Parliament has come at a time when two communal-related issues are in the forefront of debate. One is a Prevention of Terrorism Ordinance, a post-Sept. 11 bill which the opposition claims will increase already wide police powers, alienate Muslims and other minorities but do nothing for security..

Another is the rewriting of school history books by a ministry under the control of the Hindu zealot Manohar Joshi. Proponents say the rewriting is necessary to remove an alleged Marxist and secular bias. Opponents say the changes are biased toward the Hindus and omit inconvenient facts. The government is accused of having ``Talibanized`` the education system. Indian pluralism is not seriously in danger. Regional and caste politics are at least as important as religious divides, and the secular spirit is still strong. But political leadership is weak. Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee is moderate and cautious, but he is also very sick. His BJP colleagues are either old, communally divisive or simply uninspiring. The opposition Congress Party is led by Sonia Gandhi, an unskilled politician who may be unelectable due to her Italian origins. Congress has recently lost two potential younger leaders in accidents..

In the circumstances, the temptation to use India`s superior military power to ``teach Pakistan a lesson`` must be strong. But the blow that India has taken is a consequence of being an open society wanting to maintain Kashmir as a symbol of Indian unity in a plural and secular state. It can show its wisdom, and a Gandhian moral leadership, by shunning the ``two eyes for an eye`` blood feud mentality of others.

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NEW DELHI Last week`s attack on the Indian Parliament could scarcely have been better timed by those who want to escalate tensions on the subcontinent and stir communal politics in India..

The natural instinct for India is to blame Pakistan for its support of Muslim militants. Influential voices urge revenge by hitting alleged militant training centers in Pakistan-controlled territory. The government has two examples to follow of retribution for its own sake: the United States in Afghanistan and Israel in Palestine..

The dangers of India opting for retaliation are great..

The government is led by the Hindu-nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, which is especially suspicious of Muslim Pakistan and badly needs to bolster its image in advance of key state polls next year..

The great leap forward in Indian-U.S. cooperation since

Borders are Made of These #178

Saminashah

``and male inferiority complexes.``

Just b/c i commented ontwo consecutive FEMALES ,Jawahra & Sadna you are upset ,that i am Misogynist !

ERA,& women lib has peteered out .Go talk to aging Betty Freidan ,Gloria,Jane Fonda what poison they left behind while cuddling up in arms of very men they talked to like you have leant from them...jalli bhuni lahorie tikka

Your ideal MAN ...SUX SENA spent one page teaching SHANKAR bhai to spell hypocrisy.

Taliban : An Analysis

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Hamidm

Instead of recovery from Islamic disease ,Indian govt is encouraging its muslim cops to grow beards!!!

Very soon India may become Inshallah bearer of Islamic torch while the growin hair Armpit,alcoholic ,syphillitic & Aids infested modern muslims will come to dominate Pakistan Inshallah.

Rajasthan policemen get right to grow beard on



religious ground



Kamla Bora in Jaipur

The right to sport a beard while in service, which was earlier enjoyed only by Sikhs in the Rajasthan police, has now been extended to other policemen too on `religious grounds`.

The new government order is aimed at Muslims, an official spokesman said. However, those wishing to sport a beard would have to seek prior permission in writing from the department, sources said.

Permission is given subject to the condition that the beard has a `neat and clean` appearance at all times. Any violation of this condition would invite disciplinary action.

Once a policeman opts to sport a beard, he would not be allowed to revert to the clean shaven look without seeking prior written permission for the same, the spokesman said.

It would be up to the police department to take decision on individual applications on merit.

The department is yet to receive an application from any policeman in this regard, the spokesman added.

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