Kashmir Fatigue Mr. Hamsub # 510

Iqbal`s Hindu Roots - It Pays To Be A Chor

You sadi Iqbal`s grandfather was a low level revenue officer. It`s no shame to call a village Patwari a Patwari. He had embazzled money. So did Robert Clive of East India Company. Both were CHORS. Clive was a clerk. As a punishment he was sent to India or lose his job. He came to Calcutta while Iqbal`s ancestor, a Kashmiri, came to Sialkot, in Punjab. Clive became a General and later a Viceroy. Iqbal`s ancestor, embraced Islam under death threat from Governor of Kashmir who was a Pathan. So it pays to be a Chor.

Kashmir Fatigue Mr. Hamsub # 510

Iqbal`s Hindu Roots - It Pays To Be A Chor

You sadi Iqbal`s grandfather was a low level revenue officer. It`s no shame to call a village Patwari a Patwari. He had embazzled money. So did Robert Clive of East India Company. Both were CHORS. Clive was a clerk. As a punishment he was sent to India or lose his job. He came to Calcutta while Iqbal`s ancestor, a Kashmiri, came to Sialkot, in Punjab. Clive became a General and later a Viceroy. Iqbal`s ancestor, embraced Islam under death threat from Governor of Kashmir who was a Pathan. So it pays to be a Chor.

The Girl Next Door Imagine someone in uniform. It closes their mind. Dessent is not army wants. Ideas do not flow freely. Discussion is not a norm. It takes some catastrophe to change the mindset. This is what Pakistani muslims have done. Read NY times and NY Post, eyes are foccused on Pakistan and the region. At the moment it is the rumblings which can soon become loud noises.

World is talking a language not known to Pakistan. The are talking of taming of terrorists while the Chief Executive is fixated on ``core issue``. It was the ``core issue`` in Agra, `Core issue` in the UN, White House, and now in Beijing.

He does not realize that things change quickly as happened on 9/11 and the fall of Taliban. Pakistan did not abandon Taliban quick enough, a policy not gone unnoticed by White House. While the armies of India and Pakistan are coming closer to a danger level, seriousness has not being realised but still harping on ``core issue``. Bloodshed is obviuos. He is stuck with the wordings. Now that Beijing is telling Pakistan that it will not be drawn directly into K issue and has advised to sort K thing out notwithstanding ``core stuff``. What is wrong with Muslamans. Pakistan is about to become a bad boy in the neighbourhood. I am ashamed to be born of Pakistani parents. I am glad I am not in this wretched country anymore.

It is difficult to be Musalman, and Pakistani on top of that, these days. If Pakistan ever faces crisis, you will find Pakistan alone as happened in 1965 and 1971. Pakistani army will be our undoing. People in the US have sympathy for Afghans now but not for Pakistani Musalman.

Muslims and The West After 11th September Professor saab, I respect your views and do not disagree. Does any army officer agree with you.

The Price What price should be paid ?

Price will be paid by Afghans is for not adopting to changing times.

It is the price paid for not revising the concept of God wher other Gods are inferior to theirs.

It is the price of being intolerant

It is the price for not being united as a country if there was a country.

A price for Afghan selfishness and eceipt.

A price where loyalties do not count.

It is price that dishonest people must pay.

Price will have to be paid for changing sides as carpet baggers.

Price when everyone is so hotheaded and each one wants to be Governor.

A price for arrogance of assuming others are weaker than you.

A price for unreasoning.

Price for unyielding where values are valueless

Price of macle chauvanism.

Price to malign women when a mother can not be looked into her eyes.

It is this heavy price which must be paid by Afghan blood, flesh and bone for being so wicked and keeping the company of the monsters, so rest of the world can sleep with peace and defeated would remeber it for long time to come.

The Price What price should be paid ?

Price will be paid by Afghans is for not adopting to changing times.

It is the price paid for not revising the concept of God wher other Gods are inferior to theirs.

It is the price of being intolerant

It is the price for not being united as a country if there was a country.

A price for Afghan selfishness and eceipt.

A price where loyalties do not count.

It is price that dishonest people must pay.

Price will have to be paid for changing sides as carpet baggers.

Price when everyone is so hotheaded and each one wants to be Governor.

A price for arrogance of assuming others are weaker than you.

A price for unreasoning.

Price for unyielding where values are valueless

Price of macle chauvanism.

Price to malign women when a mother can not be looked into her eyes.

It is this heavy price which must be paid by Afghan blood, flesh and bone for being so wicked and keeping the company of the monsters, so rest of the world can sleep with peace and defeated would remeber it for long time to come.

The Laying to Waste of the World: a Memory of I.H Burney It is easy to brainwash ignorant, poor and illiterate people. That is what average Aghanis are. with no modern industries, infrastructure, Modern education, health care, financial institution and communication system - the only thing available to them is guns through which they can survive either by loot, plunder sell their loyalties at the opportune time.

It has been easy for Pakistan to use Afghans and keep Afghanistan as a satellite state. This has backfired. Generals of Pakistan or not diplomats or historians. They are very myopic. They do not even have resources for such an adventure to sustain Afghans forever.

Maharaja Ranjit Singh, the son of Punjab, knew that it is expensive to keep Afghans as there was nothing to gain from them. All he wanted was to keep them at bay and took the future Afghan wars to be faught on Afghanistan soil. The British who followed Maharaja`s policies drew Durand line thus dividing territory of Afghanistan keeping NWFP on the side of India. After the creation of Pakistan, NWFP went to Pakistan although area is Pushtoon and not Punjabi. The language, food habits, culture, dress and facial features are different with exception of common religion.

Afghans were used by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Funds came from Saudi while Pakistan implemented it on behalf of Arabs.Afghans hate Arabs and Pakistanis - particularly the later. Talibans true to their character has quietly withdrawn thus leaving Pakistanis and Arabs to their fate. Now they are getting killed. Many such soldiers were on deputation from Pakistan Army: some retired and some still active although clandestinely operating and giving military advise even when American bombing was on.

Musharaff tried to lure the US with plea of Ramadan which would have bought time and given the chance to Taliban to regroup and retreat. It did not succeed. Then he tried ``Moderate Taliban`` stunt. This failed too. Then he changed to ``Moderate Pushtoon``. US did not buy this line. Even Turkey rejected it inspite of Musharaff`s trip to turkey. Then came the Islamic Army as peacekeepers including Pakistani force in Kabul. This was rejected by the UN. Three days ago Pakistan categorically stated that ``Northern Alliance`` government will not be acceptable to Pakistan. We have Baddruddin declared as President in Kabul today. It is not important was pakistan wants but Afghans want. Pakistan Army can use Pakistani people as doormat but not Afghans.

It is failure of Pakistani foreign policy. Afghans should fight to get NWFP from Pakistan which does not belong to Pakistan and is rightfully Afghani territory.

The real criminals are Pakistanis and Saudis. None of the hijackers belonged to Afghanistan. Afghanistan was used as a terrorist laboratory. America should go after Pakistan. AND IT WILL. You can not fool people all the time. Now that the war will come to an end soon. The phase three of dealing with terrorist elements will start. I hope top leadership of Taliban is caught and put on trial thus exposing ISI and Saudi Arab/Middle East connection. It is time to denuke the terrorist organisation. Can you imagine a country being run by Army, corrupt businessmen like Nawaz Sharif and Zardari. The alternative suggested is cricketer like Imran Khan. How horrible can it get? How low? How cheap? How nasty? The pictures of bearded Pakistanis being killed by Afghans is humiliating to Pakistan which Generals do not consider shameful.

The Laying to Waste of the World: a Memory of I.H Burney It is easy to brainwash ignorant, poor and illiterate people. That is what average Aghanis are. with no modern industries, infrastructure, Modern education, health care, financial institution and communication system - the only thing available to them is guns through which they can survive either by loot, plunder sell their loyalties at the opportune time.

It has been easy for Pakistan to use Afghans and keep Afghanistan as a satellite state. This has backfired. Generals of Pakistan or not diplomats or historians. They are very myopic. They do not even have resources for such an adventure to sustain Afghans forever.

Maharaja Ranjit Singh, the son of Punjab, knew that it is expensive to keep Afghans as there was nothing to gain from them. All he wanted was to keep them at bay and took the future Afghan wars to be faught on Afghanistan soil. The British who followed Maharaja`s policies drew Durand line thus dividing territory of Afghanistan keeping NWFP on the side of India. After the creation of Pakistan, NWFP went to Pakistan although area is Pushtoon and not Punjabi. The language, food habits, culture, dress and facial features are different with exception of common religion.

Afghans were used by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Funds came from Saudi while Pakistan implemented it on behalf of Arabs.Afghans hate Arabs and Pakistanis - particularly the later. Talibans true to their character has quietly withdrawn thus leaving Pakistanis and Arabs to their fate. Now they are getting killed. Many such soldiers were on deputation from Pakistan Army: some retired and some still active although clandestinely operating and giving military advise even when American bombing was on.

Musharaff tried to lure the US with plea of Ramadan which would have bought time and given the chance to Taliban to regroup and retreat. It did not succeed. Then he tried ``Moderate Taliban`` stunt. This failed too. Then he changed to ``Moderate Pushtoon``. US did not buy this line. Even Turkey rejected it inspite of Musharaff`s trip to turkey. Then came the Islamic Army as peacekeepers including Pakistani force in Kabul. This was rejected by the UN. Three days ago Pakistan categorically stated that ``Northern Alliance`` government will not be acceptable to Pakistan. We have Baddruddin declared as President in Kabul today. It is not important was pakistan wants but Afghans want. Pakistan Army can use Pakistani people as doormat but not Afghans.

It is failure of Pakistani foreign policy. Afghans should fight to get NWFP from Pakistan which does not belong to Pakistan and is rightfully Afghani territory.

The real criminals are Pakistanis and Saudis. None of the hijackers belonged to Afghanistan. Afghanistan was used as a terrorist laboratory. America should go after Pakistan. AND IT WILL. You can not fool people all the time. Now that the war will come to an end soon. The phase three of dealing with terrorist elements will start. I hope top leadership of Taliban is caught and put on trial thus exposing ISI and Saudi Arab/Middle East connection. It is time to denuke the terrorist organisation. Can you imagine a country being run by Army, corrupt businessmen like Nawaz Sharif and Zardari. The alternative suggested is cricketer like Imran Khan. How horrible can it get? How low? How cheap? How nasty? The pictures of bearded Pakistanis being killed by Afghans is humiliating to Pakistan which Generals do not consider shameful.

Afghanistan Reflections Bhardwaj and tahmed321

Bhardwaj U R crazy. Can`t understand very baisc stuff. Dhatura is old fashined stuff. This is the age of designer medicine for good kicks. U should try it for the sake of experience with or without erotica. I was saying Uncle Sam is watching Pakistan and Pakistan`s baby called Taliban.

Tahmed321 - Pakistani baby with beard is undoubtably ferocious. Indian baby gets scared.

Now the news is that Gen Mahmood knew of wire transfer from Pakistani Bank to terrorists and one of them was LSE student who was also involved in Indian plane hijacking to Kandhar with full knowledge of Mushy. It will haunt Mushy who has been smarting all this time. Pakistani army, clerics, PPP of Benazir and ML of NS and the US and LK Advani, all are looking for him. It is written on the walls-``Kafir imamon ka katl karo``. Do you think Mushy is blind that he can not read such slogans. Pakistan sponsors terrorism.

Mushy keeps talking of ``assets``. It means nukes. Obviously he is WORRIED.

Love On The Line Of Control, a Story by Col Dharam Pal Good imagination - coming from same district, same village, sharing same school, come together to same goal of demarcating the line of conrol. It is utter nonsense. Can anyone check back these facts please. Can anyone call Col. Azad. Is there any Indian army officer who can check it out.

Now, next question - Is it possible to have open border between India and Pakistan ? Would Indians open their country to evermigrating Afghans with birth rate of 7.88% with doubling population peroid of 24 years? Can India absorb another 156 millions muslims in the country ?

Can India have two constitutions: one for main stream Indians and another for muslims run by Mullahs ? If a priest is not state why should a Mullah be seen directing the country. Defying a Mullah is defying Allah. Can a secular India tolerate that. As Bush told in his speech,``Where Taliban defines how big a beard a person supposed to keep``.

Dharam Paal you are a hypocrit. I suggest you keep busy on your computer games. Do you play PLAYSTATION II. Are you still cocooned in the sleeping bag. Why don`t you write another article rather than post same stinking boring story the second time.

I am most upset by the bl--dy lies you wrote thinking the readers are fools. First, you paint this picture in Dec 1971. There was no problem in Kargil either in 1971 or in 1972. I know the area well. Second, Memon is not a Kerala name. It is Menon. Third, Keralites are Southern Indians and Zorawar is not, repeat not, a Keralite name.

A Colonel in Indian Army in 1972 would around 48 years old. He would be at least 71 years old now. Story is good enough for Bollywood if someone can believe this. The fact he remained a Colonel is because he was not a General material.

Kafir Kamaluddin Khan

Open Letter to O. B. Laden Soysauce. Question for you. If you win will send you ten dollars.

What is the difference between India and Pakistan

Answer:

India has Madras, Pakistan has Madrasas

Open Letter to O. B. Laden The last part of your article is very interesting. You are a friend, sinner and a muslim. Looks like I am looking for friends like you. Me too - just like you.

My introduction:PAKBORCOK - Pakistan Born Confused Kashmiri. Swimmer, Boozer, Atlantic city, DD(Divorced Dad) part time Romeo, SOS(Sinner of sorts), Muslim, anti-Taliban, love Keema/kababs, once a week porno( Thank God I left Lahore), WGF-white girl friends, shave my armpits every Friday, Only hobby is to scout CHOWK when not driving Taxi( which I own - although medallion belongs to a Jew).

Sincerely

Kafir Kamaluddin Khan

Crisis and Opportunity When Salman Rushdie`s book came out, the whole muslim world supported and applauded Khomieni for passing of fatwa. There were six of us, all muslims. When I suggested let us buy the book and see what exactly is written, people around me got very angry and agitated. They suggested there is no need to purchase the book. To my surprise I found out that thousands like me never read the book but took it for granted on rumours what was said. I was threatend that I will be reported to local Mullah and would be taught a lesson. The so called local Mullah was an illigal immigrant who was sponsored by the local mosque for green card. In Pakistan he was a cobbler but became a religious leader with no religious training. He thrived on preaching intolerance. It is the intolerance of Mulims which is the issue and caused the problem in the world just like communism. It is not Islam but the Islamists like Khomieni, jehadis and the Mullahs.

Crisis and Opportunity What A piece of Nonsense

There is a price for everything. American`s day to day liferun on business model. Everything seems to be in the form of a contract- written or unwritten. So if Pakistan helped US during Russian invasion of Afghanistan, US paid them handsomely. Where does it say that US has to keep feeding hungry Pakistanis for ever ? Where does it say that Pakistan Army will be on ``permanent stipend`` for indefinite time. I remember the state of Pakistan economy in 1978 with Pakistani youth unemployed and nowhere to go. Tens of billions of dollars in American aid poured in from 1979 to 1990.

Your article suggests that UN/US should post its personnel in Afghanistan and take responsibility of feeding them for ever where not even a blade of grass grows. Feeding the snakes with milk is counter productive. UN and US has been feeding them with food for ten years now and look what they are doing. Only a well fed person can fight and not hungry stomach. First they fight themslves, then they kill their own, then go to neighbouring countries in Pakistan and India, then tell their women they can not work, then the dress code, then Bin Laden, then warn Hindus to wear bindi, then tell Muslim women to wear Burqa,then deny education to women,then Bamiyan icons to be torpedoed,then warning to US, then a general warning to all infidels of the world,then television sets to destroyed by the millions,then accusing UN workers who came to feed them as Kafirs who have come to destroy Islam, and MUCH MUCH MORE of the garbage with nod and acive support and approval from Saudis and Pakistan - and now it seems that world has had enough. AND YOU SUGGEST THAT WORLD SHOULD BE ``THEKEDAR`` to feed them forever. They were never good citizens of the world if you look at their history. At the height British Empire when they had the whole world under them, England chose to leave them alone. There was nothing to be gained and why get involved with them with wars. Only Sikhs defeated them.Ranjit Singh was Punjabi from Gujranwala.

As for Pakistan, it is shame that it does not learn from history. It perceives the events from a groundglass and gets unclear picture. Pakistan has been myopic. Pakistan can not get away now. It is no more a bishop or a horse but will play a role of pawn which will be sacrificed at the opportune moment for a game to succeed. Pakistan was never a horse but has always been a pawn from Liyaqat Ali days. Pakistan is still thinking of providing unconditional support to US when America is asking for more. America is not content with the duplicity. It is pay back time and moral support is not what they are asking for. US is saying either you do it or let us do it. Once US is on Paki soil and achieves its obective with surgical precision it is simply not going to walk away. Next will be restoring democracy in Pakistan which means civilians and not military. It means US presence for a long time overtly or behind the scene for civlian democracy to succeed and flourish. In other worlds bye-bye Generals so they will not be able to blackmail the Pakistani Prime Minister anymore. To keep the Pakistani economy going and for return of dollars - Pak nukes will have to be finished. Pakistan will say ``look how about Kashmir ? We helped you in time of need`` Do you really think US will exchange a country just because Pakistan helped secure one person called Bin Laden. Pakistanis are obssessed with India just as Afghan`s are.

Some one asked how many Pakistanis are dead in WTC ? Not many since majority is not savvy enough to work in WTC but driving taxis on the streets of New York. Last three days have been bad for them and Pakistan`s economy. PAKISTAN STAY ON THE PATH TO DESTRUCTION OR BE CIVILISED.

Why I am leaving Doctor Saab, I can`t believe your article got 399 replies already. I agree with you. But it is not the fault of Pakistanis if countires resources are plundered by the army to keep them employed at higher salaries with batman,buggies and a ``mali`` to take care of your garden- all at army`s expense. Get out before Olive Green uniform becomes universal and you will be forced to join Army Medical Corps whether you like it or not. They may say they educated you free to become a doctor and spent close to 5 lakhs rupees and now you are turning your back on the nation. They expect you to join them in collective suffering. So do not run away to a far away land where you will have at least two dozen flavours of ice cream if you are just not content with only vanilla which Pakistan has to offer. I love your appetite for more including higher education. Yaar why do not you marry an Non Resident Pakistani in America which many have done. After all here is the sun and also the sand with nice vehicle to own besides a beautiful Punjabi gal from Lahore. And a very good news for you. It comes from The United Kingdom. DHHS and home office has just announced a dire shortage of doctors in England. 5000 Condultant vacancies and 2400 GPs jobe to be filled by 2004. If they need Indians then why not you. Gives you chance to be a ``Vadda Doctor`` as my Ammi would call it. If I were you, I will be willing to say Good Bye to Anarkali and Jhelum. Let the country run by Jehadis. PAKISTAN HERE I LEAVE.

Why I am leaving Doctor Saab, I can`t believe your article got 399 replies already. I agree with you. But it is not the fault of Pakistanis if countires resources are plundered by the army to keep them employed at higher salaries with batman,buggies and a ``mali`` to take care of your garden- all at army`s expense. Get out before Olive Green uniform becomes universal and you will be forced to join Army Medical Corps whether you like it or not. They may say they educated you free to become a doctor and spent close to 5 lakhs rupees and now you are turning your back on the nation. They expect you to join them in collective suffering. So do not run away to a far away land where you will have at least two dozen flavours of ice cream if you are just not content with only vanilla which Pakistan has to offer. I love your appetite for more including higher education. Yaar why do not you marry an Non Resident Pakistani in America which many have done. After all here is the sun and also the sand with nice vehicle to own besides a beautiful Punjabi gal from Lahore. And a very good news for you. It comes from The United Kingdom. DHHS and home office has just announced a dire shortage of doctors in England. 5000 Condultant vacancies and 2400 GPs jobe to be filled by 2004. If they need Indians then why not you. Gives you chance to be a ``Vadda Doctor`` as my Ammi would call it. If I were you, I will be willing to say Good Bye to Anarkali and Jhelum. Let the country run by Jehadis. PAKISTAN HERE I LEAVE.