World of a Pariah Welcome...

Keep writing...your poem creates a really sad and true image of how homeless ppl live each day not knowing where their next meal will be coming from... often we forget about such people because we ourselves have never experienced such discomfort.

klutz

Mango Diplomacy haha hilarious article Bina.I loved it.... U are so rite abt mangoes being so sacred for Pakistanis. actually i dont really like mangoes myself, and when i try telling that to my family they just give me a disbelieving look and force me to eat one. Try telling someone u dont like chinese (although the food is not pakistani) and wait to see their reaction. I hate chinese food and whenever i try to tell that to my friends they all think im a wacko!

``people who are connected to the agricultural business will always send crates and crates of their mangoes to their friends and neighbors as soon as the fruit ripens in the orchards``

hahaha very true indeed.we practically get crates and crates of mangoes from our family friends and relatives.

Reply #: 7

Zahra

``Q: How to Solve Kashmir`s Issue in one sitting?

Ans: Please open the tokra and find it for yourself.``

haha that was funny :P

i can still eat mango once every 2 years that is but i can never have a mango milk shake... ugh it tastes badddd.

Yes a friend of mine once told me that in england or US mangoes are really expensive and they also dont taste and look good as they do in pakistan.

Reply #: 1

sinful virtue

``But in our house we have to literally lock the fridge so that Abbu jan doesn`t eat more than his medically prescribed limit of mangoes which is never enough for him``

LOL * * * * * *we have to hide mangoes in case our khala doesnt catch their smell warna tau bus mangoes ka khaatama :P ... if u put 10 magoes infront of her she`ll eat all of them in one go hehe :)

Brahmin and Mullah #: 242

MT

To Schmuck / Klutz

No religion has to descend to the levels of the Cola empire to quote numbers and say they are th best. That is akin to a Tobacco company claiming superiority based upon numbers.

If somebody has to stoop to numbers to justify their (sic) greatness , then you have lost my attention.Why should somebody care whether there is one god or there is a multitude of them. Where is the evidence. Live for here for now , there is no need to instill fear into people about sins, the hereafter etc. and then leave them with your ``singular choice``. ( eg. AmReeka wight be presented with a liberal version , SE ASia might see the traditional desert version that is reserved for babarians I suppose).

As far as numbers go , I am cynical as are many others, a considerable portion could be through reproduction and many might be led the `` * * * * * *`` way by many inducements.

So prove that the only God is the only god that exists etc. and then beat your chests with your pride.



Reply #: 242

MT

Damn i lost ur attention???How heart-breaking indeed!.MT i wasnt really trying to gain ur attention anyway.

why should`nt one call his/her religion the best??i wasnt being proud (though i am proud to be a muslim), i was just stating the fact.As many muslims will agree with me. Well maybe it doesnt matter to u if there is one God or not.... but it does to me and many other ``HUMAN BEINGS`` (not only muslims)

Brahmin and Mullah

Reply #: 220

egalitarian_brahmin

``Is it really a coincidence that Islamic nations are known to treat their minorities with contempt?``

I was going through an article and it said

[Minorities continue to be threatened in India, whereas not a single non-Muslim was deliberately killed in Afghanistan. The Associated Press reported that in Kabul there is one old Jewish rabbi who stayed to protect a synagogue in the centre of the city. The Taliban did not prevent him from practicing his religion.]

Do u have any proof that minorities are being treated with contempt in islamic countries???Maybe u will be able to provide me with 1 or 2 examples only.Such news are almost non-existent.

``Muslim Minorities want self-determination because they can`t live under ``lesser`` people``

``Muslim Majorities indulge in ethnic cleansing because they can`t live with ``lesser`` people.``

ohh reallly???When a muslim is not given his/her right, when they cant even practice their religion, when they cant even get out of their house without fear... do u think theyd have time to think about being superior to others?I dont think so.ethnic cleansing indeed! Theres always been oppression on muslims by other religious parties.And u say we cant live as muslim minorities because we want to indulge in ethnic cleansing???Boy are dead wrong or what!

``Few Muslim states will grant full political and cultural rights to religious minorities. At the same time, they will not remain indifferent to the treatment of Muslim minorities elsewhere: in Russia, Indonesia, India/Kashmir, China, and the Balkans. Other religious denominations also will support beleaguered coreligionists.``

I believe this report is entirely out of place.Our country doesnt try to curb minorities rights.I believe they are treated fairly by the govt.Why is it that america and other countries raise cry about what muslim countries ``MIGHT`` supposedly do in the near future and not do anything about how muslim minorities are being treated????We dont go around killing people of other religions!!Our muslim brothers dont go around raping women from other religions!!!!No one really cares about what muslims are going through...and u come and paste me this stupid report!!!... i dont even give a damn what these people say... They have this ideological power... they let everyone think that they dont take sides and are letting everyone know what the truth is... Truth my FOOT!!!its better to call them false propagandas!

Brahmin and Mullah

Reply #: 225

PM

``So you have a ``direct`` relationship with ``your`` Allah. How is that any better or any worse than an interceded one, other than for the reason that your Mommy told you so? ``

Aeisha u can butt in anytime u want :)

I believe what Aeisha said in her post #: 231,#:252 is very true indeed.If we go to a priest we will feel worthwhile infront of ALlah.. we will feel that only pious ppl like priests will be forgiven and only if we contact Allah through them and ask them to pray for us and ask for forgiveness on our behalf we will then be forgiven.

instead in islam we are equal infront of Allah.A sinner can ask for Allah`s forgiveness himself just like a religious person. Everything will be between them.

i believe u are very wrong about Allah being an idol.hobbyty`s post #: 232 clearly points that out.

You are right...many religions believe in ``one great ultimate``.I didnot say im superior just because i believe in One GOD.... as u pointed out christians/jews ... and all kinds of religions believe in One GOD....what i said was that yes our main belief is that there is One God...but what i meant was that islam is the complete code of life. Maybe not in ur eyes but it is in mine.

Brahmin and Mullah Reply #: 224

AAmir

Ohh so the whole world knows who i am???Damn and i thought i was being very discreet.btw who am i?

``there would be need for another Forum like this just to keep up with the APOLOGIES!!!``

Yep thats really true.. i just apologized for one reason and one reason only (i still believe islam is the best and i will never tire of talking abt it)... in islam we are taught not to disrespect any religion or their God.So i thought i had done that .. and only because of that i was apologizing.Dont worry aamir bhaijaan :P i dont have a sensitive skin... ill try not to apologize again hehe :)

The Magician and The Dreamer a very good article zeejah...i enjoyed reading it very much.i believe that these dreams of ours bring us hope.

Brahmin and Mullah anyway im tired of this never ending discussion...its really not going anywhere...

i apologize for being disrespectful to anyones religion.

i know everyone respects their religion...

Klutz

Brahmin and Mullah Reply #: 195

binifer

Haha now thats what i call the height of femininity!

Reply #: 189

AAmir

Chootay bhai,Bhaijaan,aap kis duniya mai rehtay hain.Kia larkian ungraceful,careless,awkward,gawky, etc nahi ho sakteen???aik tau in gender biases say mai tang aa gai hoon :P .. kia ap larkon nay ``Klutz`` ko copyright keeya hua hai??? patent laga hua hai kia? ab larkian aisay names use bhi nahi kar sakteen.are you one of those ppl who believe that pink is for gurls and blue is for guys?..how boring.

Reply #: 186

tahmed321

Yes i do know that``The concept of an ``islamic republic`` is a patently unIslamic piece of nonsense that is propogated by those who hope to gain a position of power in Pakistan through devious means.`` and i agree with u whole-heartedly.I have never really accepted this ``rubbish`` as u call it.. because i do know how much islamic our govt is and our state is!Still it is called an islamic republic which means it can certainly not be called a secular state.

Reply #: 185

tahmed321

Hehe i couldnt agree with u more.

Brahmin and Mullah Reply #: 203

Siraj

``Why then is the majority of the world not Muslim?``

Im afraid i cannot answer that...time will tell.But can u answer me why is it that islam is the fastest growing religion today?I havent studied on every religion...but i have enough knowledge on many of the religions practiced today.maybe i was wrong to state that ``Every religion has a flaw except Islam`` what i meant was that islam has no flaw.

No sir we donot pray to that ``black stone``.. u are very wrong there.

anyway i know that u respect ur religion as i respect mine and that we both will go on and on about ur belief and my belief....and in the end we will always disagree...so as ive said to many others lets not argue. Thankyou.

Brahmin and Mullah Reply #: 199

egalitarian_brahmin

ahh...so uve been to my dorm..have u??How do u know i have my parents picture in my room?..

``or reasoning along the lines of ``He is too Great to be symbolized``



haha thats exactly what i was going to do.I practically wrote a whole debate on it:P

``So what say you we agree to disagree on this one?``

Yes lets do that :)

``Their beliefs might be different, but need you (the Muslims) incessantly assert that yours is the ONE and ONLY correct belief system?``

egalitarian_brahmin i think we are back to point #1 here. Yes i do believe that OUR belief system is The One and only correct system.Do u think id sstill be a muslim if i thought otherwise?I know islam is the correct system and nothing will change my mind.believe me i could go on and on about this whole subject but nothings going to change ur mind as well and we`ll just keep on argueing till we are both blue in the face.so let us not argue about it anymore.

Brahmin and Mullah Reply #: 198

monasehgal

Yes mona i believe beauty lies in imperfection ( for some things that is).As u said one would not appreciate happiness without having a dose of sorrow.But if religion is not perfect do u think people would want to follow that religion with their heart?Some dont question their religious beliefs ... they believe that they were born in this religion.. its their fate...who are they to question it?But what about those who would want to question their religions imperfection?Wouldnt they want to follow a perfect religion?Wouldnt they want to find the perfect answers?Will they not want to follow something with their heart.

why is it that there are almost non-existent people who converted to christianity,buddhism,hinduism etc.And islam is the fastest growing religion?Its something to think about isnt it?

Reply #: 201

sadna

``Are Islamic laws perfect too? ``

Yes islamic laws are perfect. They are made by Allah and He is all-wise and so are His laws.One may question these laws but he/she will find out that for every law there is a very logical and wise reason behind it.Thats what i believe and most of the muslims too.

Sadna one cannot really know if they are perfect...but atleast our present day scholars are trying their best to make recommendations in the light of islam.

Anyway everyone has their own opinion and beliefs i cannot really force anyone to believe what i myself believe.

Brahmin and Mullah Reply #: 193

shankar

So you were being sarcastic..im soo sorry shankar jee that i didnt notice yr sarcasm.. you are so good at expressing yrself that i actually thought u meant all that stuff.

``The irony is that those who thump the Bible, Geeta or Koran on their chest the loudest are the ones who insult religion the most.``

Do u think that one should be embarrassed just because he/she is religious or believes that his/her religion is perfect?Insult religion .. my FOOT! You are the one whos insulting religion right now! Atleast we have some respect for our religion.I dont really care what u say.. i know what right and wrong is and im proud to be a muslim.

``There is good & bad in EVERY religion.``

Now that is where u are very wrong.Yes ``muslim countries have the same incidence of sins as Western countries`` as u said but it is because of the people who live in these countries.Islam has only good in it.As i said bfr it is only the ignorant ppl who make it seem otherwise.Anyway im afraid we are not going to agree on anything so why argue.As u wrote lets agree to disagree.

Brahmin and Mullah Reply #: 167

bhartiya musalman

Why dont you transport urself back to the 8th Century Deserts of Arabia (as u said) and then we`ll see how u take Quranic verses.

I didnt say what Quran said should be taken literally only. As u said it should be taken symbolically and spiritually as well as literally. Why do u think Quran is there??? Just to put it in our house as a decoration piece and from time to time we`ll take it out so that we can have this spiritual feeling around us. Quran is there so that we can act upon it.

Ahh.. maybe i havent done that much in-depth study of other religions.Although Mr bhartiya musalman i know enough about other religions to know that islam is flawless. The more i know about what other religion believes the stronger my faith gets.And anyway i dont need an in-depth study of other religions to know what islam is!

I know that i dont need no priest to ask for God`s forgiveness on my behalf!I also know that i dont need no idols to concentrate.I have enough between my ears to know that those man-made idols are just that.Man-Made! How can something which you created yourself has the power to shape your lives.I also know that i dont need to worship fire,or wind,or water. Everything is between me and my Allah.I will ask Him for help and i will ask Him for forgiveness.

I know its disrespectful to criticize other religions and their beliefs but im only doing it in the light of islam to prove a point.When i see deluded ppl like you i feel taht it is my right to speak up!

Tell me something have u ever even gone through the Quran or are u just repeating ur indian beliefs!I dont have any bias towards india Mr imran,i wouldnt care less whether ure a paki,an american or of any other nationality! I have my reasons for not liking indian govt but thats that.i have nothing against india or indians.

Close minded indeed!Your assumption is very inaccurate but then again why should i explain myself to u...u are no one.Its ppl like you (the so-called open-minded ppl) who on one hand drink wine and on the other dont eat pork just coz its HARAAM, degrade islam.i think im better off being a Paki rogue rather than sit on my behind and do nothing other than look for flaws!Tell me something what led u to believe that islam is flawed and what exactly is that flaw.

Forget about this india/paki crap.I dont wnat to hear about my supposedly biases towards india or about what a faithful indian u are.Your patriotism brings tears to my eyes.

Brahmin and Mullah Reply #: 152

AD1

If one believes in Allah then he should also believe in HIS words. Quran is Allah`s words. there is nothing supposedly said in it. Allah said that HE will protect HIS book. No one can change HIS words even if one trys to do so.

It doesnt matter if u qualify as a muslim in my eyes. im a nobody.

``it should at least be clear that one can believe in the perfection of One but not the Other.``

If u meant that U believe Allah is perfect but not HIS book then i think you are a little misguided (no offence intended).... but Quran is perfect. No one can change it...ppl can only interpret it differently to their satisfaction.or should i say misinterpret it!

Brahmin and Mullah Reply #: 164

egalitarian_brahmin

I never said that pakistan is a secular state. I infact objected on that point. as u said pakistan is known as an ``islamic republic`` and so by definition Pakistan is not a secular state.Period!

What do u think our religion is?Do u think we muslims should worship one God and acknowledge the presence of another! Our main belief is that there is ONE GOD and Only HE should be worshiped.And yes Islam is perfect...it is only some ignorant ppl who make it seem imperfect.!

But anyway Allah is Most Forgiving.Im just here to make a point.

klutz