1971: A Forgotten Story bijli, as a madrissa grad you could not have done better :-)

are you from OBLU ( Osama Bin laden University)?

Well , i am sharing a important item relating to Dec 13 attack on Indian parliament. The Pakistani army finished its annual excercises on 9th Dec but did not start returning to its barracks from 9th Dec onwards. The theory is Pakis had prior knowledge of the attack , it was expected that Dec 13th attack would succeed resulting in killing of indian leaders/hostages. Indian armed forces would lead a punitive strike without adequate mobilistion of forces. This would invite a Paki military response since its forces were mobilised on account of regular excercises. A short exchange would result in capture of some Indian territory which could be the bargaining chip.

The Significant Unit of War a very interesting read

http://www.indian-express.com/ie20020109/ed3.html

America’s Responsibility While reminding america of its responsibility kindly also remind the so called `Islamic states` not to fill the hearts & mind of kids with poison in the madrissa`s. where all except muslims are kufrs and zalims.

People from other religions are also at the receiving end of American double standards, but they dont go about exploding bombs, killing, mudering.

What is so special about the land, air and water of Islamic nations that their citizens go bersek every now and then. It is high time, the Islamic states set their house in order and not blame others for their misfortune and the pounding they receive every now and then. Surely, the americans did not create the Lashkar;s, jaish`s, etc etc.

The King’s Gambit: Chapter 1 (The Immigrant) one thing stood out in the article

...`the madrissa education`

the boy can go out of the madrissa but the madrissa cant go out of the boy.

1971: A Forgotten Story thanks Bijli for pointing out our weakness!!!

we are addressing them , but when will the

madrissa educated bigots address theirs :-)

The Significant Unit of War Your yearing for peace is understandable. But pl dont blame India for it. We have had enough of this contorted logic and jehadi nonsense coming out of Pakistan. it is high time that Pakistan decides what course it wants to chart. Does it want to become another Somalia, sudan or be a progressive, tolerant society.

Now that both India and Pakistan are N powers it is high time they solved the KAshmir problem with LOC and IB. For the who cant stomach this solution, I say if Punjabis could be partitioned, bengalis could be seperated, sindhis split up.... what is goddam special about Kashmiris. Whoever wants to go to Paki Kashmir should be free to go and who ever wants to come to Indian kashmir is free to come.

if not this, what better solution, do they propose which is acceptable to both parties??

Subsequent to that they should concentrate on taking care of its citizens. Pakis and Indians are both equally guily of not addressing the real problems of its citizens which are of food, health, education, jobs.

1971: A Forgotten Story well, I had the privilege of meeting Roop Lal Sharia in person some days back. For those who dont know this name, Roop Lal is an ex Indian army agent caught in Pakistan some 28 years ago and sentenced to death by hanging but released in 2000 due to intervention of Paki human rights activist Asma Jehangir and now staying in Delhi.

a) Roop Lal confirms presence of 1971 ex Indian armed forces men in Pakistani jails. He said however, in 2002 barely 2/3 were left to the best of his knowledge.

b) He speaks of torture ( but that is quite expected). But, what is interesting to hear from him is that there is no torture for those Sikhs/Hindu prisoners who have converted to Islam in Paki jails.

c) The prisoners are brainwashed into converting coupled with allurments, no torture deals etc etc.

d) Roop Lal suffers from partial paralysis of left side on acount of beatings and stay in prison.

For a country/people to whom killing, maiming, gouging out eyes, etc etc ( a la Lt. Saurabh kalia and others during Kargil) is part of their culture , this article does not sound strange. similar was the experience of Soviet Army at the hands of the afghanis. This is what they have done over the centuries, son killing father, brother mudering brother.... is very common theme in Islamic history.

Running Naked I hope Pakistan will share evidence provided by USA with India about the activities of Let and Jaish. There must be pretty explosive and convincing evidence that forced Pakis to ban and arrest the leaders of these organizations. As a responsible member of global coilition against terrorism , pakistan will share the evidence.

From an Indian pov there is no Kashmir problem only a PAkistan problem. The sooner we solve it the better. Indra gandhi only partly solved the Pakistan problem.

romair, the mood in India is such that we are ready for being fried in the Paki N bomb but will ensure that whole of Pakistan is fried also.

Na rahega baans na bajegi bansuri



Quiz of the day

Where did the Al jazeera video come from???

Where is Bin Laden hiding??

where is the biggest terrorist training university??

...give up

....pakistan

Running Naked Pakistan is the new WTC - World Terrorist Center

From Hassan Suroor, reporting from London, in ``The Hindu``, Dec.27,2001, quoting ``The Times`` of London:

Richard Reid, British citizen .. ``was jailed several times for petty offences such as mugging... and it was while he was behind bars that he converted to Islam. Soon, he started worshipping at the Brixton Mosque .. and started learning Arabic.... He is is believed to have been radicalised by extremists..who ..hang aound the mosque..

For a while, he reportedly went to Pakistan and stopped comunicating with his family. By the time he was last seen in Brixton, he had started echoing extremist views, a ``warped understanding of jehad``, Mr. (Abdul Haqq; chairman of the mosque) Baker said.

New law : Every terrorist act has a Pakistani connection. Unless otherwise proven, Pakistan may be assumed to be the source of the terrorism.

OK - yet another link established between Pakistan, C-4 explosive, suicide-bomber training, and poor old American Airlines.

Running Naked Dear Ras #26.

For you it might be a great sign of moderenity to see Mushy with a rock group but from an Indian point of view it is not enough. Civil socites are not built by being photographed with rock stars. Mushy has to deliver this time, he has to take on his own creations head on. What are hijackers, criminals doing in pakistan?

Did the chowkies know where the holed up Al quida terrorists in the Kandhar hospital want to go ? you guessed it right ..... Pakistan



What evidence did Americans share with pakis about Let, Jaish for pakis to ban these groups? or did the american danda did the trick.

And pl dont scare us with the N bomb. We are ready to die and take pakistan down once and for all. India will remain alive as it has done for past 5000 years and will for the next 5000. Now that the Indians are flexing their muscles , the valiant Pakis are pis...g.

saale babar ki aulad

Running Naked This is the moment for India to finally settle the ``Pakistan problem`` which will in turn settle the ``Kashmir problem``. The madrissa educated Pakistan Army and its jehadi babies understand the language the gun and is the `Pakistani problem``. If Vajpayee ji can grow some balls in the coming days we will settle the Pakistan problem once and for all. The recent movement of armour, flying choopers, screaming jets near Amritsar gladdens my heart.

India has payed enough price for its inaction , now we are prepared to pay the price for action . Enough is enough. This has gone too far. Already one can see the Pakis soiling and wetting their pants. How come Mushy uncle is arresting the jehadis without adequate proof. HAs uncle Sam shown some proof? Did you see Mushy uncle;s face recently :-) The criminals are asking for evidence ?

In Search of the Moderate Muslim Dear Farzana,

I dont know wether you indeed are an Indian. Without commenting on your article, I have only one observation.

How the hell are you saying that in India we dont celebrate `republic day ie 26th Jan` or `Independence day ie 15th Aug`. We do celebrate these two events by congregating in the morning in the local park , hoisting the flag , singing the national anthem and eating sweets. There are eloborate programmes in schools, colleges a day before these two days. Where do you live???

Unless, of course your idea of celebrating is to go to the local disco or doing Bhangra.

The problem with majority of Muslims is that they wear Islam on their sleeves, for them an idiotic Osama is more important than loyalty to nation, for them justifying the evil deeds of terrorist is more important than doing some introspection. We had British born muslim Jehadis openly admitting on BBC that he will kill British Army troops!!! and yet Muslims ask for compassion , restraint and end to racism!!!!! the fact that Muslims are percieved as untrustworthy, treacherous etc etc is not without reason.

There is a tradition in ( British Indian Army which is still strong in Indian and Pakistan Army) where Artillery offices dont remove one of the belts while dining. The origin of this tradition is from an event when Afghans called the soldiers of British Indian army for dinner and while the soldiers were busy eating where attacked by their hosts. So now the belts with sidearms are not removed while dining. ofcourse there are no sidearms now but the tradition of wearing belt ( ie being always prepared) still carries on.

A Decision to Regret Aamir,

While indeed Af`tan is quite a big country with difficult terrain, there are 7-8 strongholds. These are the strongholds that US is trying to target in its bombing campaign. What I was suggesting was only for assulting these stronghold. Not for holding on to the territory. The current campaign if i understand right is for destroying Taliban war machine around these strongholds.

I cant quite understand the American tactics. They should have in the first phase concentrated on say Mazar e sharif & herat on the ground without air support. This would forced Taliban to concentrate their forces in these cities by moving in men, arms, ammo into these cities. Once they would have concentrated their effort in defending these cities would have been the right time to lauch the air effort. They should have concentrated on capturing these two cities and then launched their further war effort from these two cities. With air bases inside Af`tan, the presure on Mushharaf on account of allowing American use of its air bases would have decreased.

A Decision to Regret I find the American war tactics in Af`tan very strange. All they had to do after a few days of air bombings was to give the Northern Alliance approx 200-300 Bofors calibre guns with sufficient ammo,spares and some rudimentary training. These could keep on firing from long range and target all that Amricans are trying to target from air. Much cheaper, much safer, total deniability and much more effective. After sufficent pounding, Northern alliance can move under its cover and assault Taliban front lines.

How about a few low yeild N weapons planted in the caves :-) Will indeed smoke out ooops fry out the rats.

A Decision to Regret Hobbyty

I am not sure that the amount of ammo required could be procurred through smuggling across borders. Even if we accept your point that the ammo is smuggled, it raises very pertinent questions

a) What is given in exchange of ammo during smuggling. ? Drugs ...right. How are the true , Muslims, Islamists, Allah fearing that Taliban proclaim to be are neck deep in drugs. Now please dont argue that Taliban sells dry fruits in exchange of arms, ammo??

b) what about maintenance of equipment, choppers, planes ?? surely the Pakis are doing that

c) Why does Pak Army maintain significant presence of advisors in Af`tan. Surely, they are not teaching taliban how to grow vegetables.

d) Whats your take on the killing of HUM activists & Pak govt refusal to allow the bodies?

The point I was trying to make is the Mushy uncles assertion that it does not aid , arm, abett Taliban is a total hoax. And he is the only one who probably believes that story. Colin Powell`s statement today about ` Pakistan should not repeat its mistakes in Af`tan...` is an honest statement.

Kashmir - Pakistanis are, I think very keen to come to some sort of a deal in which kashmiri representation and aspiration is satisfied, LoC, I don`t feel will sell,

Pray what does Kashmiri representation & aspiration mean? Do you include Kashmiri Hinuds, Sikhs, Buddhists as Kashmiris? Is Pakistan also planning to find out Kashmiri aspirations or is that a settled issue? When did last did Paki Kashmiris get a chance to express their aspirations? LOC will not sell, so is Pakistan hoping to get some territory? Will Pakistan will be satisfied if India gave some land to Pakistan in the Thar desert or is it the valley you covet??

Would really appreciate pointed answers.

A Decision to Regret 1.Ok, so kashmiris will run out camps of train in? ....

No they wont run out of camps but if there is a Afghan govt which is not friendly to Pakis , then Pakistan will have to host them 100% in POK or Pakistani mainland. That will be not so easy subsequent to 11 sept.

2. Recall that Taliban incorporated whatever was left over of the Afghan Airforce. Ammo? there is no shortage of ammo anywhere.

I also know there is no shortage of ammo. But how does it reach Taliban & a land locked country like Af`tan is the million $$ question. And surley as Mushy says this ammo is not the one left by the soviets while retreating!!!

Actaully I think you will begin to see a shift in Indian policy on Afghanistan or you will see a shift in American and Chinese policy on Taliban. If india continues to side with Iran and Afghanistan, which will basically mean a division of Afghanistan or else the Americans and Chinese may realize that unless the fighting force of the Taliban is saved, to reconstitute Afghanistan, that they will have to change their economic plans and capitualte to Iranians and Pakistan may suffer mortally. Under what conditions would such a scenario be acceptable to either the American security paradigm in the Gulf or the Chinese security paradigm or to Pakistan?? You can be sure that it is the long term plan of the Americans to allow for Pakistani ground troops in the Gulf while they provide air and naval cover. So I think India has before it a historic choice.

Does not make sense. anyway

3. Psychological effect - yes, there is also a report that JKLF is pointing out that pakistan ...

I quite agree. India should dismiss the Farooq govt and call for fresh free & fair elections ASAP. Hurriyat should stop pretending , challenge the terrorists, test its popular support and democratic credentials ( and ask Mushy uncle to allow Pakis the democratic right to elections)

Of course you are aware that Mr. General Musharraf has impressed upon the Indian that they ought to remain calm or else he will teach them a lesson.

surely not like the one Pakistan taught India in 1965, 71 & Kargil :-)

4. When we cross the LoC? A Dollar on a Dime, When Indians cross LoC, it will be the biggest favor the Indian will have done Pakistan. You see the phase where India had a utility against Beijing is over, for the time being. India is an important country and the US will want good and deep relations with it, but the US will not tolerate poor relations with muslim countries anymore and this will mean that India will have to come to a decision, will it go it alone against Pakistan, and risk trade with other muslim countries and the wrath of China and the US or will it see benefits in a negotiated settlement? I think it will choose the latter option.

trade with muslims countries. You must be joking. Apart from voicing support at OIC , what have your Muslim friends done for the Pakis??

5. Islamic Terror? So those who tore down Babri under the Ramjamanbhumi were Hindu terrorist? Anyways, as usual, Indians seemed to not realize that this paradigm and it`s terms of reference ...

Firstly, hobbyty please tell me honestly how many non Muslim religious strucutres have been torn down prior to Babri Masjid and after Babri Masjid in Pakistan since 1947. You may talk of Babri Masjid, but it is a symbol of hundreds of years of Islamic terrorism ( some of your ancestors were also at the receiving end of that terrorism).

You see, solving kashmir is in the interests of Pakistan and India cannot gain acceptance at table of permanent members of security council without solving kashmir. And as soon as it does both Pakistan and India may become elibigle for consideration. India cannot be accept without Pakistan. There is no zero sum game with Pakistan; it is going to be around for as long as there is an India, therefore it is in the interest of India to seek a negotiated settlement.

let me tell you that India is not going to concede an inch of its land with or without the permanent seat at UN. UN anyway is an impotent institution. However, it is not only in Indias interest but Pakistans interest to solve the isue. In trying to bleed India by thousand cuts , pakistan has choosen to poison itself slowly and surely. Your present woes are due to this poisoning of your polity and mind.

Today, pakistan has refused to accept dead bodies of Pakistanis killed in Af`tan ( the 35 men of HUM killed in kabul during an air raid when they they were in a brain storming session

on how to send the infeidels to hell) Does this refusal to accept dead bodies of its men not remind one of Kargil when Pak Army refused to accept dead bodies of its soldiers. Do PAkis have any shame!!! May they get some sense and shame Inshaallah