This Visit To Pakistan Reply #: 412 gymnosophist

Ref ylh #: 382

[Now either you are extremely stupid, or you are from Rutgers...]

Er... would you care to re-phrase that?

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He may not but I will, old friend, nangay sophist!

He is from Rutgers. We all know that. So, your humour sounds buggered up now. As to the other, one doesn`t have to be one to be recognized as one by the real one! Got it? Say it. Or, has Orrisa and Bengal eaten up your tongue?

Did you go to Chinnai again to see what percentage of Muslims are bad in Mathematics? Or was it, that they were good at a second [third?] language.

This Visit To Pakistan Re. krashid #404

No, he doesn`t, since he is both!

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SameerJB #246

Thank you for providing us with a true piece of categorical art; what the statisticians call a ``nominal scale`` at the level. Your categories are well thought out, organized and humorous. Thanks once again from a reader of some devotion to your posts and the Chowk.

Now tell me, where did you get the reference to Neelam valley, and abc@myself.com? I just came back from the Neelam Valley. It was meant to be a sort of escape from the world but not much. Half of my family is on the other side and two young cousins were killed within a matter of three days. It was said they were buried alive, or half-alive, by the security forces. Whether that is true or not, their bodies were dug up and then buried properly. It was a sad journey too. Well…

The e-mail address is mine. Do you have khufia police tailing me? Here is the interesting thing though: the ISP has refused me permission to use it. I wrote to them but haven`t heard from them. Your hand may be in this whole thing, for all I know, what with the khufia tailing and such. knows.

Mithuna: # 253

Thanks for your post. Soft and gentlemanly, as always. As I thank you, I also must apologize for forgetting to include your name in category 8 [Gentle, courteous]. Similarly, I neglected to include Shankar`s name but that was for a reason. I couldn`t think of an appropriate category for a devar whose bhabhi is a Muslim. He is understanding and decent but needs a category that calls for some thinking. Perhaps, if SameerJB doesn`t mind and does not exercise proprietary and copy rights on his contribution [#146] I could combine the two and share the credit: right down the middle, seventy thirty!

Thirty mine, seventy his!

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I think there is room for other categories, e.g., Most ``rude, crude and uncouth`` (sounds like a geet!). Suggestions are invited here or at[Rachna@myself.com]. Strict, absolute!, anonymity guaranteed.

Assad_K, RSexana and ZZ: I have read your reaction. Of course, you realize that it is only a draft copy and is open to changes. Secondly, the categories are not mutually exclusive.

So, Assad_K, if we introduce a category of ``Erudite, learned``, you shall be in it, and so will I!

Pssst...This is Rest of South Asia speaking WITHOUT PREJUDICE

For fun only:

I have gone through hundreds (about eighteen hundred) of letters on the Chowk since October, 1999.

I have noticed that we can nominate writers on Chowk for various titles and based on qualities and characteristics to assign or accord recognition to posters on the Chowk. I have come up with the following:

1. Most persistent, incessant, indefatigable: Mohajir, McGupta, Sadna. Tops. Sadna

2. Most Patient: Umairr, Sameer, Assad_K, bahmad. Top: Umairr

3. Most ``true believers``: committed, with knowledge. Farangi_K, Hamidm, krashid, ylh, Zeemax, Sadna, Jay, Gynosophist, Jumhuriat_: Top. A tie among Farangi_K, hamidm and Zeemax.

4. ``True Believers without much knowledge``: RSexana, concerned, AD, ZZ, the Happy One, In your Face. Add lot more and choose.

5. Critics: Temporal, Observer, Sheesh Nag, (?), Be-nam, S.P. Wakil. Top: temporal

6. Most Disruptive: Jay (by acclamation!)

7. Most ``reproducer`` of copied material (from newspapers, articles, etc.): Mohajir, McGupta, Umairr, Ras Siddiqui, Sadna. Top: McGupta and Mohajir (a tie!).

6. Gentlest, most civilized, posterers: I, of course; sac, everybody in #2 above, Be-nam, Pardesi, Dulla Bhatti, Fuzair (most/some of the time): Top: I, of course. (You want to make something out of it?) O.K. Umairr!

You disagree? Well, come up with additions or substractions. Or, lists based entirely on different criteria.

Cheers!

Resignation Shivani`s or Bhawanis`? Does it matter to the theme? An elementary theme common to all times. In fact kon-o-makaN sé Aazad!

Let`s address to the theme. Forget about ``Plagiarism``. Secondary matter, people, secondary! I swear to God.

Memories of the Monsoon

In a non-serious vein I always think that whereas the West has so many more things that it enjoys than we, we have one thing we enjoy that these people are deprived of. And that is Saawan.

These people have four seasons, but we have five. And what a fifth season!

I liked the verse ``Can you stop the monsoon?`` in the poem. It reminded me of a rendition by Shahida Parveen (Zahida Parveen`s daughter). Mukhra hai ``Roothi

rut [I like to pronounce `rit-u`, the shudh Hindi pronunciation, instead] na maani, ummarria beet gaiee ; doe piyassey nainan haar gaiay, saawan ki bdli jeet gaiee``, in rag jai-jai-vanti. I can`t express my feelings in words but I know when I run into something worth dying for. Alas, the saawan ki bdli couldn`t be stopped! I hope the reader has heard Shahida Parveen.

Thanks for sharing your feelings with us.

Again, Desperate Times

/ Dec-6-99 -3:58:0 PST Reply #: 375

Umairr

happy one Reply 348: You stated, ``The demographic in POK (Azad Kashmir or

whateverelseyumacallit) has been altered beyond recognition!`` The demographics have changed, but... .//



Umairr#375

``The demographic(sic) in [Azad Kashmir] has been altered ... .``

Never fall in the linguistic trap of expressions eg., ``POK``. These are deliberately set up. The psychology of language is a more potent weapon in the hands of your tormentors than tanks, guns and atomic bombs.

You do not have control over their subversive tactics but at least you can use editorial tools to blunt the wickedry.

N.B. I am going to central Neelam Valley, Azad Kashmir, and I shall be without the benefit of my computer and the Net there. I am taking a vacation. So, I hope to get away from this noise.

Talk to you next May.

Sincerely,

Rachna

N.B. 2 No, the demographics, in terms of quantum of non-native born population, have //not// changed the way they have in Jammu, or for that matter, in parts other than the valley of Kashmir.

He had no Choice! #728,740

Zeemax: Why so injured and yaas aaluda poetry?

People pay attention to every word you say.

Except for some crackpots (I don`t see them anymore), quite a few of the posters who thought that Mr. Mutt was the best gift of God after the sliced bread, to the Pakistanis, seem to have come around to your own, and your friends` orientation in thinking about the current crisis in the country. That is so much more opposition to the dictatorship.

Why this gloom and doom, then?

Rachna

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#737 SameerJB

Thanks for your reponse.

What is this Word file to IntAct space and oundailofy one from the other, stuff. Sounds like pour the soaked rice in the barra pressure cooker, and then...

Well, I am on my way to learn that (not the rice, but what is Word etc. I know that ``In the beginning there was the `Word`... .``).

Kulsum[Nawaz Sharif] was broght to her knees, literally, to beg and demand to know where her husband was; a day later Nawaz Sharif`s whereabouts were made known. Then she said if he is guilty of something why is he not charged! The SB obliged the very next day and charged him with the hijacking of the plane.

Now, people with a head on their shoulders have come to hate this whole shobdabazi. Did you know that ours is a headless nation? If not, come see it.

The family of Nawaz Sharif was allowed to visit him the other day and you should have seen his daughter who wept and cried, begging, `don`t hang him`. This is what we have come down to; fallen into the deepest abyss of infamy, disgrace, and dishonour.

But can you, those who are abroad, do something to inform the majority of population here that nations not just have `rulers`, but there is a difference in how they become `rulers`?

How can YOU become a force to let the fauji rulers know that there won`t be any coups, nor hangings.

They seem to have become encased in a plexiglass cube, as it were, of the English times that if a total of a handful of the British army officers could rule a nation as large as India, through their indigenous intermediaries, then they can too --and should. How can we let them know times have changed?

He had no Choice! SameerJB No.729

Sameer Jee: Aap ne dil khush kr diya hai.

I have stayed on the sidelines for long time thinking,

Hota hai Shab o` Roaz Tamasha mairey aagey

But After reading your `musbat`(+ive) letter, I have decided to have my say too in this discussion.

I intend this note only to announce my participation from now onwards in this forum. Are you married Sameer? I think we must deal with this Bilal m`s dismissed ex-jernail Dad. You know why? Because, I can shart lagaofy that both he and his [nang e watan, nang e insane`att] father keep tab on the opinions coming in here. We must not let this man come out of his zameer`s q`aa`re-muzzallat. He must not be allowed to feel that `|Everybody|`is acquiesing to his traitorous, treacherous deed. I am very upset because the [armed forces]jernail has been a traitor not to one person but to a struggling nation. Democracy is full of holes, I know, but this is the best system available to humanity. (You know from whom I have lifted the above paraphrase!) I parrorate it because I believe in it and will fight for it.

I am trying get to my thoughts together and intend to send a post on these matters. In the meanwhile, Bravo. Also Bravo! to others who broached this subject which not only brings this discussion (more a larraii, or tu tu main main, quite often, so far) back to relevance but brings MY name in the process!

Before I close, would it be too presumptuous to expect that this board is not a chat room, but focussed on Pakistan`s current tragedy, from one point of view or the other.

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N.B. Please do not mind my hindi, urdu words in this note. I have seen this before, here. I`ll be better prepared next time.

Why does your friend Zeemax not participate anymore? He must have been exhausted by now.