India
India, Fundos are coming
They want total submission
Your submission, my submission
Total acceptance of their revelation
When the knowledge is borrowed, India
Everything looks RED
When the rational expands
It sees all color
When the intellect expands
It knows source of all colors
In ecstasy it says all are the same
India We want red flags and also green, saffron, blue , white, yellow and orange
How can we play holi only with red India
India you have a place for Mukesh and also Alisha,
You have never known mutually exclusive identities India
You are the sanctuary for EVERY thought India
This spiritual freedom is you India
This freedom to make choice has made you tolerant India
This is your strength and weakness India
India I have no problem with LAL but
India, you can not be ONLY LAL
How can a painter paint only with red, India
Look at greens of Nature India
No two greens are identical
India Nature has a place for every shade of color
Otherwise Sustainability of creation will be WANZ India
India when the unions are not red
Then you must say they are busted
When it is revealed,
it must be true.
When somebody confronts it
They say it is scary,
They murmur about you as fascist,
Then they label you Nazi
You know it India,
In villages how ownerless dogs are treated
When one, only barks at you
It is labeled RABID
You know India how ownerless dogs are treated
They say,
They have the answer,
We have seen their experiment
We also know their results.
I am not against new experiment India,
But they say ONLY Physics can solve the human misery.
India I am not perfect,
But I have learned
Everybody claiming to have attempted a solution
Has left with more mess
India for the record
I am a peasant s child, and not Zamindar s son
And that is why I have concerns for your deception
Posted by
rationalist
Sep 25, 1998 08:16 am
They demand salaam, only red salaamIndia, Fundos are coming
They want total submission
Your submission, my submission
Total acceptance of their revelation
When the knowledge is borrowed, India
Everything looks RED
When the rational expands
It sees all color
When the intellect expands
It knows source of all colors
In ecstasy it says all are the same
India We want red flags and also green, saffron, blue , white, yellow and orange
How can we play holi only with red India
India you have a place for Mukesh and also Alisha,
You have never known mutually exclusive identities India
You are the sanctuary for EVERY thought India
This spiritual freedom is you India
This freedom to make choice has made you tolerant India
This is your strength and weakness India
India I have no problem with LAL but
India, you can not be ONLY LAL
How can a painter paint only with red, India
Look at greens of Nature India
No two greens are identical
India Nature has a place for every shade of color
Otherwise Sustainability of creation will be WANZ India
India when the unions are not red
Then you must say they are busted
When it is revealed,
it must be true.
When somebody confronts it
They say it is scary,
They murmur about you as fascist,
Then they label you Nazi
You know it India,
In villages how ownerless dogs are treated
When one, only barks at you
It is labeled RABID
You know India how ownerless dogs are treated
They say,
They have the answer,
We have seen their experiment
We also know their results.
I am not against new experiment India,
But they say ONLY Physics can solve the human misery.
India I am not perfect,
But I have learned
Everybody claiming to have attempted a solution
Has left with more mess
India for the record
I am a peasant s child, and not Zamindar s son
And that is why I have concerns for your deception
India
I know `outsiders` call you India
For me you are Bharat, Hindustan, an indigenous
I know `India` you are in deep trouble
You are poor, illiterate and exploited but
I trust your wisdom `India`
Commies are on rampage `India`
They are wearing different grabs
Sometimes they come to you secular, sometime they are democratic
Sometimes they are naxalities, sometimes even they call themselves Muslims,
Sometimes they are admirers of Buddha and sometimes they even are admirers of Vivekananda,
You are wise `India`, for centuries you know what is real and what is `maya`
I trust you `India` You have potential to make right choice.
You are great `India`
Indians do not tell you what values you have given to the world
`India` this is everybody`s heritage
I thank you for preserving it for me
`India`, Indians call you Hindu, Muslim, Backward, Sawarna, Aryan, Dravidian
Indians are weakening you in the name of identity war for a take over
I do not know `India` how to explain
They are Professors and I am student
But I have learned `India`, these are the only Indians who claim intelluctual property right for the truth and assure to fix all your problem
I know `India` you cannot read
But you know about fate of the communist countries
You definitely know about the `one` who occupied part of your house
I know `India` You are not happy and you need a friend
I know you `India` well
TOOM BHOLE HO
But also you know Puranas
Think `India` before you granting them a wish.
`India` you know the difference between naxalites and terrorist
You have always enjoyed freedom of the `soul` for generations, in spite of invasions
Take care `India` of what you have and
Be aware of these soul occupiers and proselytizers
I know `India` you have learned from the mistakes of the past
Do not allow anyone to parasitize your soul
Do not allow `India` anyone to block your learning
I know India I am not even Abhimanyu
I do not know how to get out of the chakravuha of misery
This web is giant `India`
It is hard for me explain you everything
`India` child needs to be separated at birth from mother
Mother cannot explain everything to child. `India`,
Mother assures child through heartbeats
Feel my heartbeat `India`, know your mother
Hum Jitenge `India` Hum Jitenge
I know `India` you are illiterate but wise
Be aware of these Indians `India`
Do not hate them , otherwise that will be your defeat `India`
Posted by
rationalist
Sep 22, 1998 06:55 am
Be aware of INDIANS, `India`I know `outsiders` call you India
For me you are Bharat, Hindustan, an indigenous
I know `India` you are in deep trouble
You are poor, illiterate and exploited but
I trust your wisdom `India`
Commies are on rampage `India`
They are wearing different grabs
Sometimes they come to you secular, sometime they are democratic
Sometimes they are naxalities, sometimes even they call themselves Muslims,
Sometimes they are admirers of Buddha and sometimes they even are admirers of Vivekananda,
You are wise `India`, for centuries you know what is real and what is `maya`
I trust you `India` You have potential to make right choice.
You are great `India`
Indians do not tell you what values you have given to the world
`India` this is everybody`s heritage
I thank you for preserving it for me
`India`, Indians call you Hindu, Muslim, Backward, Sawarna, Aryan, Dravidian
Indians are weakening you in the name of identity war for a take over
I do not know `India` how to explain
They are Professors and I am student
But I have learned `India`, these are the only Indians who claim intelluctual property right for the truth and assure to fix all your problem
I know `India` you cannot read
But you know about fate of the communist countries
You definitely know about the `one` who occupied part of your house
I know `India` You are not happy and you need a friend
I know you `India` well
TOOM BHOLE HO
But also you know Puranas
Think `India` before you granting them a wish.
`India` you know the difference between naxalites and terrorist
You have always enjoyed freedom of the `soul` for generations, in spite of invasions
Take care `India` of what you have and
Be aware of these soul occupiers and proselytizers
I know `India` you have learned from the mistakes of the past
Do not allow anyone to parasitize your soul
Do not allow `India` anyone to block your learning
I know India I am not even Abhimanyu
I do not know how to get out of the chakravuha of misery
This web is giant `India`
It is hard for me explain you everything
`India` child needs to be separated at birth from mother
Mother cannot explain everything to child. `India`,
Mother assures child through heartbeats
Feel my heartbeat `India`, know your mother
Hum Jitenge `India` Hum Jitenge
I know `India` you are illiterate but wise
Be aware of these Indians `India`
Do not hate them , otherwise that will be your defeat `India`
Is Islam Undemocratic?
`It (modernity) has suppressed the truth of the Soul for the harmony of the City :
Totally wrong. Let us see how the author is trying to impose ``superior`` truth. Modernity has enabled to understand the universe around us in terms of verifiable observations through the use of ``tools`` which are universally accessible. It tries to understand cosmos (including soul) with the help of various tools (different disciplines of science, reason, & logic). There is NO issue/question which the modernity forbids to investigate. So to say that IT HAS SUPPRESSED TRUTH OF THE SOUL is a total lie. The approach of the modernity and its tools is open, universal and there are no restrictions on ANYBODY to what type questions one want to investigate. Enough of spiritual issues like consciousness, meditation are being investigated with the help of Govt. funding and data published in the scientific journals of repute. One example off hand is mind-body interactions and its medical implications. So to say the modernity is suppressing the truth is just not true.
Modernity does not claim any TRUTH. It attempts to understand the universe. So the process of discovering TRUTH is continuous and as tools are invented, tested & applied, aspects of truth (facts), perceived and modified. Hence the responsibility of justifying the revealed truth lies with the believer.
As I understand, truth (according to the author) is the revealed and should be trusted. (Without asking any questions) How this concept of ` truth `` can be understood in the framework of modernity?
With regards to ideals that author expects believers to understand the battle needs to be fought in the premises of religious schools, Islamic universities and ulemas. It is the curricula makers of these institutions and propagators of faith needs to be convinced (in the framework of revelation according to the author) with reference to ideals of faith as author understands. Secular west and unbelievers are well aware of the choices they have in relation to the mechanisms available for understanding cosmos. It is the communities of the believers, where the choices are minimal.
With regards to sentiments and motives of author for wellbeing of the believers, total agreement
Posted by
rationalist
Sep 17, 1998 06:41 pm
Fundamentalism in the grab of modernity`It (modernity) has suppressed the truth of the Soul for the harmony of the City :
Totally wrong. Let us see how the author is trying to impose ``superior`` truth. Modernity has enabled to understand the universe around us in terms of verifiable observations through the use of ``tools`` which are universally accessible. It tries to understand cosmos (including soul) with the help of various tools (different disciplines of science, reason, & logic). There is NO issue/question which the modernity forbids to investigate. So to say that IT HAS SUPPRESSED TRUTH OF THE SOUL is a total lie. The approach of the modernity and its tools is open, universal and there are no restrictions on ANYBODY to what type questions one want to investigate. Enough of spiritual issues like consciousness, meditation are being investigated with the help of Govt. funding and data published in the scientific journals of repute. One example off hand is mind-body interactions and its medical implications. So to say the modernity is suppressing the truth is just not true.
Modernity does not claim any TRUTH. It attempts to understand the universe. So the process of discovering TRUTH is continuous and as tools are invented, tested & applied, aspects of truth (facts), perceived and modified. Hence the responsibility of justifying the revealed truth lies with the believer.
As I understand, truth (according to the author) is the revealed and should be trusted. (Without asking any questions) How this concept of ` truth `` can be understood in the framework of modernity?
With regards to ideals that author expects believers to understand the battle needs to be fought in the premises of religious schools, Islamic universities and ulemas. It is the curricula makers of these institutions and propagators of faith needs to be convinced (in the framework of revelation according to the author) with reference to ideals of faith as author understands. Secular west and unbelievers are well aware of the choices they have in relation to the mechanisms available for understanding cosmos. It is the communities of the believers, where the choices are minimal.
With regards to sentiments and motives of author for wellbeing of the believers, total agreement
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