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India
Posted by rationalist Sep 25, 1998 08:16 am
They demand salaam, only red salaam

India, Fundos are coming

They want total submission

Your submission, my submission

Total acceptance of their revelation

When the knowledge is borrowed, India

Everything looks RED

When the rational expands

It sees all color

When the intellect expands

It knows source of all colors

In ecstasy it says all are the same

India We want red flags and also green, saffron, blue , white, yellow and orange

How can we play holi only with red India

India you have a place for Mukesh and also Alisha,

You have never known mutually exclusive identities India

You are the sanctuary for EVERY thought India

This spiritual freedom is you India

This freedom to make choice has made you tolerant India

This is your strength and weakness India

India I have no problem with LAL but

India, you can not be ONLY LAL

How can a painter paint only with red, India

Look at greens of Nature India

No two greens are identical

India Nature has a place for every shade of color

Otherwise Sustainability of creation will be WANZ India

India when the unions are not red

Then you must say they are busted

When it is revealed,

it must be true.

When somebody confronts it

They say it is scary,

They murmur about you as fascist,

Then they label you Nazi

You know it India,

In villages how ownerless dogs are treated

When one, only barks at you

It is labeled RABID

You know India how ownerless dogs are treated

They say,

They have the answer,

We have seen their experiment

We also know their results.

I am not against new experiment India,

But they say ONLY Physics can solve the human misery.

India I am not perfect,

But I have learned

Everybody claiming to have attempted a solution

Has left with more mess

India for the record

I am a peasant s child, and not Zamindar s son

And that is why I have concerns for your deception



India
Posted by rationalist Sep 22, 1998 06:55 am
Be aware of INDIANS, `India`

I know `outsiders` call you India

For me you are Bharat, Hindustan, an indigenous

I know `India` you are in deep trouble

You are poor, illiterate and exploited but

I trust your wisdom `India`

Commies are on rampage `India`

They are wearing different grabs

Sometimes they come to you secular, sometime they are democratic

Sometimes they are naxalities, sometimes even they call themselves Muslims,

Sometimes they are admirers of Buddha and sometimes they even are admirers of Vivekananda,

You are wise `India`, for centuries you know what is real and what is `maya`

I trust you `India` You have potential to make right choice.

You are great `India`

Indians do not tell you what values you have given to the world

`India` this is everybody`s heritage

I thank you for preserving it for me

`India`, Indians call you Hindu, Muslim, Backward, Sawarna, Aryan, Dravidian

Indians are weakening you in the name of identity war for a take over

I do not know `India` how to explain

They are Professors and I am student

But I have learned `India`, these are the only Indians who claim intelluctual property right for the truth and assure to fix all your problem

I know `India` you cannot read

But you know about fate of the communist countries

You definitely know about the `one` who occupied part of your house

I know `India` You are not happy and you need a friend

I know you `India` well

TOOM BHOLE HO

But also you know Puranas

Think `India` before you granting them a wish.

`India` you know the difference between naxalites and terrorist

You have always enjoyed freedom of the `soul` for generations, in spite of invasions

Take care `India` of what you have and

Be aware of these soul occupiers and proselytizers

I know `India` you have learned from the mistakes of the past

Do not allow anyone to parasitize your soul

Do not allow `India` anyone to block your learning

I know India I am not even Abhimanyu

I do not know how to get out of the chakravuha of misery

This web is giant `India`

It is hard for me explain you everything

`India` child needs to be separated at birth from mother

Mother cannot explain everything to child. `India`,

Mother assures child through heartbeats

Feel my heartbeat `India`, know your mother

Hum Jitenge `India` Hum Jitenge

I know `India` you are illiterate but wise

Be aware of these Indians `India`

Do not hate them , otherwise that will be your defeat `India`













Is Islam Undemocratic?
Posted by rationalist Sep 17, 1998 06:41 pm
Fundamentalism in the grab of modernity

`It (modernity) has suppressed the truth of the Soul for the harmony of the City :

Totally wrong. Let us see how the author is trying to impose ``superior`` truth. Modernity has enabled to understand the universe around us in terms of verifiable observations through the use of ``tools`` which are universally accessible. It tries to understand cosmos (including soul) with the help of various tools (different disciplines of science, reason, & logic). There is NO issue/question which the modernity forbids to investigate. So to say that IT HAS SUPPRESSED TRUTH OF THE SOUL is a total lie. The approach of the modernity and its tools is open, universal and there are no restrictions on ANYBODY to what type questions one want to investigate. Enough of spiritual issues like consciousness, meditation are being investigated with the help of Govt. funding and data published in the scientific journals of repute. One example off hand is mind-body interactions and its medical implications. So to say the modernity is suppressing the truth is just not true.

Modernity does not claim any TRUTH. It attempts to understand the universe. So the process of discovering TRUTH is continuous and as tools are invented, tested & applied, aspects of truth (facts), perceived and modified. Hence the responsibility of justifying the revealed truth lies with the believer.



As I understand, truth (according to the author) is the revealed and should be trusted. (Without asking any questions) How this concept of ` truth `` can be understood in the framework of modernity?

With regards to ideals that author expects believers to understand the battle needs to be fought in the premises of religious schools, Islamic universities and ulemas. It is the curricula makers of these institutions and propagators of faith needs to be convinced (in the framework of revelation according to the author) with reference to ideals of faith as author understands. Secular west and unbelievers are well aware of the choices they have in relation to the mechanisms available for understanding cosmos. It is the communities of the believers, where the choices are minimal.

With regards to sentiments and motives of author for wellbeing of the believers, total agreement




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