Where is Ibn-Sina of the 21st Century? FQ, I think people in this world that try to fit esoteric concepts like "Kowledge" into boxes of religion and geography are wrong. what the heck is islamic knowledge vs. greek knowledge. This assumes that the starting point of that knowledge was that particular geography or religion. Knowledge is a collective of human thought and experience. It is shaped by humans, it is not divine in its origin or mandated applicability.

It is a continuous improvement, tweaking and shaping of ideas and their applicability to the environment around them. I would venture out to say that because people parameterize knowledge according to location or religion, it is stunted and often lost.

There was a book by Dick Teresi a while back called Lost Discoveries, Before pythagorus (sp) devised his famous theorem, oral tradition in then hindu pakistan had architechts using the same triangular ratios to develop altars. But because it was limited to religious practices, it was never exported to become part of a human knowledge tradition until the greeks.

The point is that knowledge creation is a continuum. All the religious and nationalistic chutiyas who seek credit for ideas developed by individuals from their traditions should be lined up and shot.

As a muslim, if you hear another chutiya tell you that arabs invented algebra...duly bitch slap them. they continued to develop a discipline that started thousands of years ago. They didn't invent anything.

You cultivate knowledge, you don't invent it.

Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla masadi, you are comparing blacks in the US to South Asians? How retarded are you, really? I am thinking you are below Gump but Kulharee keeps thinkings you are just above Corky.

You take what is written about blacks and white below and extrapolate it to desi-white marriages? What is the per cap income of desis compared to blacks, educational backgrounds, professional pedigree? It is very different from the african americans and so are their interactions and social connections to other races in the country.

For a simple test, open up a sunday NYtimes and take a look at desi-whitey marriage profiles in the wedding section. UKP..just because some fat white chick got you deported doesn't mean everyone is in the same boat.

Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla Dashy, In Masadis case the other hand has a hook on the end of it. :)

Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla Kulahree, a correction..if I many..Masadi would make a greaet secretary for a USED car salesman.

Masadi, what you don't understand is that you sound like that guy who loses all credibility when he opens his mouth more than it is required. You go from saying ,"GWB hasd bad policies...(which many could agree) to US Elite are controlling the world and then quickly digress to ther is no Al qaeda and US didn;t land on the moon and Islam is the answert..etc. If you would have just stopped at GWB is a bad man..I would have patted you on the head and given you a lolly pop. But you obviously are fk'ing crazy..so no hope of that.

As far as desis marrying the leftovers as you put it..it just might be your experience because inter racial marriages int eh US happen more with people marrying someone of the other race with similar socioeconomic or educational background.

Obviously, there were a lot of fat white chicks who turned you down when you were at Oookalooka Community collge

Farewell to Shimla Manto, Shoaib Malik's statement is stupid..who made Pakistan the theykeydaar of Islam? Oh right..Jinnah did

Face it yaar, Pakistans prognosis is not as rosy as compared to hinjew India. It is a basketcase economically, politically and communally even after ridding itself of the hinjiews and sikhs. Jinnah fk'ed up..that is why no one outside of pakistan even knows who he is. no lasting legacy..well one..of a basketcase country.

Farewell to Shimla "The bigger picture is that it is better to be a Non-muslim in Pakistan than be a Muslim in India... and thats what matters. "

that is the big picture? Man..the Jinnah disease of looking at humans through a religious kaleidoscope if alive and well. pakis are screwed if this is the big picture.

Army and the President Pakistan is to grow at 7% this year..same as the last 2 years..keep Mushy or else.

Suicide Note of a HIV Patient Yes hamid, most AIDS victims are 6'9" tall, can play all five positions on the bball court and made the living at tossing no look passes to James worthy on fast breaks.

Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla Masadi, that is why internet is a great place for you. In real life you wouldn't even be included in the same breath as Kulharee, whose educational and professional pedigree is a million times more credible and exalted than you could hope to achieve. So keep spouting your idiocy without looking at the reality that surrounds you.

Most desis who intermarry tend to have people with the same educational and profesional pedigree as themselves. It is only the islamiyat chuckleheads who look to add numbers by marrying the trailer trash and convicts.

The Melting Pot Yaar Masadi, maybe they are picking on you bevcause you are FULL OF SHIT..dunno..maybe.

Even your response below is stupid. Status in the western world depends on how you look? wherever did you get this idea..ok..never mind..the immigration offical who kicked your ass back to pakiland..must have held some exalted status.

Farewell to Shimla I am with ranjit on this one. Hinduism such a corruptible force that in a few generations allah will be holding court with hanuman...muslims of India will be muslim only in name.

Pakistan’s Political Future Still Hanging on a Flimsy Thread Pakistanis got bamboozled by Mushy, the army and the landed gentry. And it is a beautiful thing..the alternatives are scary

Bernard Lewis and the Neocon view of Islam the pakis in barcelona run the souveneir shops in Las ramblas..

The Melting Pot Tahmed, it is only in your head..it is not true..I have heard this idiocy before and it is unfounded.

What is true is that there is a 8:1 dominance in pakis picking up sawaris at JFK tho..alhmidollahhullahgullahrasgullahallah

The Melting Pot It has more to do with the immigration patterns from South Asia than whitey not wanting to work at night. In the late 60's and early seventies when institutiojns like AIIMS in INdia sent truckloads of doctors was because of the shortage of trained doctors due to the draft for the military in the US. there was also a population explosion due to post war affluence.

the kids of these immigrants went into positions that their parents knew..i.e. medicine. that is why a large crop of Indian doctors are roaming the halls of medical institutions.

If you look at the kids of INdian immigrants that came in late 70's and early 80's they tend to go into a wider range of professions.

But we are not debating that are we?

We are talkign about what makes an idiot desi condemn his daughter if she marries someone other than her race and/or religion.

The Melting Pot shah yaar, if you are gonna talk to me, you gonna have to stop stutering. what the heck are you talking about? Do you think the Italians and jews who lived on teh alower east side for generations before earning their due don't look at Lennox hill hospital and think..what the fuck..how come evey second doctor is an Indian or chinese?