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A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Hobbyty #1047

I have a question, why did you post the article if you can`t or don`t want to support the authors insertions. Then again in a debate or discussion, proper atticate is to raise points that a person and support and back up. If some point that can`t be supported/proved to general satisfaction, even if it is true, it is not raised by a responsible debtor.

i read the article on a Paki news site, dawn or News, not sure now, before you posted it, and thought it was a joke. And it’s quality insults journalism. And you post it. One is to assume that it this is the type of sources you base you opinions on.

This only speaks a lot for the intellectual quality opinions/dogma.

You say, ``You have gumption - then take it to Margolis, take it Durban - just spare me the rubbish about what a moral lot you are - In case you failed to notice it - Margolis says that this same practice has seeped into Pakistan.``

And there you go again blaming Paki problems on India. Caste discrimination is a problem but not in the manner stated by the author. Yes I have the ODASITY to question you, and not take it to Margolis or Durban, because you are the one who posted that piece of waste on an interactive site with the intent to prove a point, not Margolis. I read that article before you posted it on a non-interactive site and ignored it. When you post it on Chowk, responses are expected, and since you posted it, you are the one who will receive them. LEARN HOW TO BE RESPONSIBLE for your actions. And no, you can`t have your cake and eat it too, post something and then say you are not responsible for the content.

You say, ``Just fix the problem instead of justifying it or trying to excuse it away - we have outlawed it and now we will out law poverty. If it`s a bunch of half truths or plain lies - just ignore it.``

I only question the objectivity of the author and

and your sources of information and also the value of your opinions considering what they are based on.

Cheers Mate

Chowk, Jay, a Ditch and I Dear BAPU

You say “Could you plz. clarify your credentials to deny what is obvious .Do you deny that there is no casteism in India, 40 million sex workers ,4 million Hiv+ve minimium diagnosed confirmed many more suspected ,40 million foeticides of female gender as a part of gender selection in last 5-10yrs,500/year bride burning per year in greater Delhi alone every year.??????????”

I am not sure about the figures, but I don’t deny a single one. I am not sure about 40 million prostitutes…..that would mean that almost 8% of the entire female gender are prostitutes. Though not all prostitutes are females and then again male to female ration is not 1:1. that is that then

You say “If you do ,then you are not indian or one living in Bubble detached from real world.”

I am Indian and live in the bubble of cynicism.

You say, “I cannnot say much without knowing where you are coming from or more about you TRIBOR???”

Didn’t get you TRIBOR pun. Please explain.

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Hobbyty Reply #1006

Thanks for the article. Nice to know you get your information from deperately inaccurate and biased report.

Some examples

``This grisly event was by no means an unusual event in rural India.``

I haven`t heard of many other, have you.

``India is just as frantically trying to prevent its caste system, which is often called `hidden apartheid,` from being put onto the conference`s agenda.``

India has outlawed the caste system. ``Hidden apartheid`` produced a dalit president. I wonder when open apartheid will produce a Hindu or a Christian president.

``India, according to many human rights groups, continues to practice and condone the world`s largest, most pernicious system of institutionalized racism and discrimination, the caste system.``

Refer to above response.

``Shockingly, this writer learned a decade ago that anthropologists had actually discovered a caste that was lower than untouchables. They were a small number of outcasts whose status was so degraded that they were not permitted to appear in daylight. They lived in garbage dumps and emerged only at night to scavenge.``

You have go to be kidding me, Hollywood writing.

``A Dalit`s `unclean` shadow must never fall upon that of a Brahmin, lest he be defiled.``

No response to this required.

``Fair-skinned Brahmins, 3.5 per cent of the population, are India`s ruling elite, holding 78 per cent of judicial positions and half parliament`s seats.``

I want to see evidence of this.

``In recent tests, Indian scientists discovered that high-caste Hindus, particularly Brahmins, are genetically closer to Europeans than they are to dark-skinned Dravidian Indians.``

And this too.

``Caste became a rigid system whereby India`s fair-skinned ruling class kept lower and swarthier orders in their places - as laborers, landless peasants, and servants - exploiting them in the name of religion.``

Let me explain that historically caste barrier have very permiable. People adopted castes in accordance to work the preformed.

``The Sikh religion and Islam both reject the Hindu caste system.``

Caste system is present in Sikhs, and Jats are rabid observers.

Tens of millions of low caste Indians found refuge from racial oppression as Sikhs, Muslims, and, more recently, Christians.

Only true of Muslims and Christians. And still Pakis believe that India (Brahmin ruled country) want to conquer Pakistan (the country of untouchable, since Islam has been untouchable’s refugee) and bring more untouchables into the population.

``All three religions have been and remain subject to varying forms of persecution by India`s Hindu majority, which is becoming increasingly intolerant of other religions.``

Not sikhs, and I can assure you that.

``Dalits are forced to clean public toilets and remove human faeces, usually with their hands. They sweep up after Indians defecate in the streets and move dead animals.``

Forced, wow. Can`t believe you take this author seriously. Forced to.....you have got to be kidding me.

``According to an extensive report on caste by the respected Human Rights Watch, large numbers of dalit women are routinely raped and forced to become sex slaves for Hindu priests and land owners.``

Doesn`t the Dalit shadow fall over priest during sex and defile them for life. Let me figure the out a moment please.

``Of India`s estimated 40 million indentured labourers - a modern form of slavery - most are Dalit children, often sold into lifelong servitude by starving parents.``

And not in Pakistan. Symptom of poverty and not apparent bigotry.

``Dalits, like Muslim Kashmiris, are frequently subjected to beatings, rape, torture and arson by India`s brutal police, says Human Rights Watch.``

Reveals the authors bias. Police is brutal to every one, especially poor.

``The recent case of India`s famed `Bandit Queen,` a Dalit woman who killed a score of higher caste men who had raped her.``

Member of Parliament if you remember. This in to to devalue by suffering but the system was not entirely against her.

``The caste system has also found its way into Nepal, which just officially banned it this summer; to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and to the Indian communities in Canada, the US, the West Indies, Fiji, South-east Asia, and South Africa.``

Nepal is a Hindu country and I would imagine the caste system entered the country with Hinduism 1000`s of years ago and not recently like your idiot author suggests. And for the rest the statement, yeah...it probably went there with the community and not as the your idiot author yet again suggests.

``Even Indian Jews developed a caste system of their own under pressure from India`s customs.``

This is idiotic, no comment.

``Macwan calls the plight of India`s untouchables one of the world`s gravest and largest violations of human rights.``

I personally would not call it gravest and largest, though deplorable.

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Ali1,

What is the age of consent for hetrosexual sex in these countries?

By the way, answer this question honestly, isn`t homosexual sex by young men rampant in Pakistan and most other Islamic countries?

If homosexual == pedophile, then aren`t pedophilic behaviour, because of amount homosexual sex by young men in Pakistan, rampant in Pakistan?

Capital sentence for homosexuals, because they are == to pedophiles by your defination and you want capitol punishment by pedophiles, in Pakistan would sound very good to nazi, hindu baniyas is India becuase this will reduce Jehadi fodder.

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Sutka,

What relevence did most of the discussion have on the topic? None. South-asians, by their primitave nature, can`t observe rules.

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Ylh

``I am proud of what I have said about Mrs Hamidm, just like Hindu Bigots on this board are proud of what they have said about Pakistan``

I have said a quite a few non-flattering things about Pakistan but Chowk censored me. Oh well. We all know what Pakistan is and I won`t waste people’s time reiterating it to them.

The pendulum swings...:).....for that you need a counter-balance. Ms. Amirali makes a nice counter-balance but she isn`t enough to counter you and your likes.

If it is the Hindu bigots that are the enemy of Pakistan, how would you describe me?

Tibor

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Chowk,

I don`t understand. You consored my post but let Ylh display his Gujjar roots. I think my posts were very docile compared to YLH`s.

Please respond,

Tibor

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Ylh,

if you are the secular, modern, liberal face of Pakiland, I hate to see the reactionary one.

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Ali 1

``Peace without justice.....``

Lots of Silks and Hindus are waiting for a apology for 1000 years of persecution. (Please allow some liberty for exaggerations.)

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India DRUMZ

Post No. 33

People for most part fight their neighbours....meaning their own blood to a great extent.

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Nasah

Post No 15

Not to discredit you, where do you get your info.

I question how much of what you describe is paranoia, corruption, xenophobia, etc.

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Dost-mitar

Post No. 16

I agree.

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Ylh

Post NO. 9

No offence, but you will have to wait a long time for Pakistan to become a modern nation.

Explanation.

Pendulum swings. Most societies swing between liberal and conservative every generation or two or so. Atleast modern ones do. For that, you need liberals and conservatives vying for influence. Now Pakistan has conservatives, rigid conservatives, and drooling barn yard conservatives.

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Ylh

That should have been Post No. 19

A Pakistani School’s Visit to India Romair,

I can tell the difference between Paki and Indians (for men only.) For westernized young girl I can`t.