The Indian James Bond Ylh,

Attempting to understand chain of events.

An Indian man in a crowd of 20 ¡V 30 attempted to raise an Indian flag at a Paki groups concert. You slapped him, took the flag from him, folded it and handed to one of his compatriots. All this while none of assaulted man¡¦s Hindu friends (I¡¦m taking the liberty of assuming that his friends were all Hindus) stepped up to support him. AND, later the man searched you out (That must have been difficult in a crowd) and apologized.

I hope I have the sequence of events fairly accurate.

After this incident, you log on to Chowk (The way E. Punjabis pronounce it there is a N instead of a W) and announced to the man, causing him further embarrassment, that you were the one who assaulted him and how and why you assaulted him.

The man had already apologized and as I understand accepted his apology, so the matter should have finished right there and then. Revealing the incident to other is very unethical behavior. I¡¦m surprised that in your refined rearing and ivy-league education you haven¡¦t acquired this social protocol.

You point is that this was a Paki national event, a pop concert, and fueled patriotism may have caused a riot, or something like that.

So a man tries to raise a flag, so you see him, slap him and take his flag away. He and the rest of his friends, 20 ¡V 30, stand around sheepishly while you fold the flag and hand it to another Hindu (just taking another liberty).

This is how we, the web residents are told the story.

„h I slapped an Indian at concert for trying to raise an Indian flag. It was I, the patriot Paki, see how brave and proud I am of the assault. Give me a pat of the back. (That wasn¡¦t said but I feel you were soliciting from you fellow Paki¡¦s.)

To which people responded that your actions were reprehensible.

„h It was a Paki nation concert and I avoided a possible incident.

To which people responded that it was not very brave and tolerant thing to assault a poor collage boy.

„h He wasn¡¦t a boy; he was a man with 20 ¡V30 friends. I bravely stepped into potential gauntlet and avoided a potential riot. And the man later realized that he was wrong and apologized.

To which my feeling is that if this is all true you should have never repeated this story, especailly in the manner you did, to anyone. Very, very unethical.

But I doubt this story. You probably made the whole thing up. You probably wrote the original statement in jest and when confronted made the rest up to protect your narcissistic pride.

By the way lot of people take flags to concert. I took a Union Jack to a Manic Street Preacher concert in Dublin. Darn it, where were the Republicans. People take flags to event to say there is support for such events, in this case the band, in their country as well. Think about it.

And regarding your point that Indians don¡¦t respect Paki anthem and you in your magnanimity, stand for Indian anthem. Hell, I don¡¦t stand for Indian anthem, my dad does but he is an ex-officer after all, and certain am not going to stand for Paki or any other. People in India don¡¦t stand for nation anthem. I remember going to Republic Day parade in Delhi back in 1986, at the end of the parade, national anthem was played over the loud speaker, my dad was the only one I saw standing still, everyone else was trying to go home, and I was running circles around my cousin. Every seen Olympics opening ceremonies, lots of nations, lots of national anthems, and no one is standing unless it is their counties, if that, and out of respect for the host country as I¡¦m assuming by you views should be, most, most spectators don¡¦t stand for the host nation¡¦s nation anthems.

Get over it.

Maybe some could explain the following and the discussion might reveal some further insight regarding Pakis and Indians.

Why is it that Pakis are the only who feel discriminated and are rioting in England, or invading cricket pitches, Hindus or Sikhs don¡¦t feel the need to do so?

This might be interesting because it might reveal what nationalism, patriotism, integration, acceptance, and tolerance means to different community. A problem can¡¦t be resolved unless the parties know where the other stands.

Desi: The False Ideology Aisha, (Post No. 701)

I don’t agree with your premise that individual rights should be sacrificed for socital well-being. But that is a matter of opinion for now. Before I discuss that, I need some clarifications on your other views. First, how is homosexuality harmful to society?

How is homosexuality related to maltreatment of women?

And what does men not wishing there sons to be gay have to do with the ill-perception (that is my opinion) that homosexuality is deviant?

I disagree with your argument that homosexuality is a behavioral issues and can be mended. People do not have a choice on whom they attracted to. Attraction, if not genetic, is very instinctive. Some women are very attracted to tall men, some to men with long hair, some to men in certain profession, some to men with certain hobbies, skills or values and so on and so forth. (We all love musicians and actors and models.) Who people are attracted to can not be chang,e so homosexuality in not a mendable characteristic.

Besides, homosexual interaction is very rampant in Arab-muslim societies.

My mates brother just came back from Pakistan. Poor kid…they tricked him into a vacation and once there, they pressured him to get married at 18. According to him, homosexual relationships are natural and accepted among young men because they have very limited access to women.

As far as women are punching bags…well, you can blame women to a great extent for their condition. They themselves are very supportive of social norms that degrade women’s status to property or liability.

Fraternities are a micro-example of society at large. Conception that “I had to do this and so must you” is used to deprive women of equality. Women, in general, are particularly more insistent on imposing out-dated social practices on each other. Women should recognize the only solution to women’s problem is a radical change in self-perception, self-treatment, and behavior towards each other.

As for the kid who got married at 18, he is fuc king around and refusing to sponsor his voiceless bride.

Desi: The False Ideology Aisha,

By the way I found reading Urdu in english imposible, so I couldn`t read your article.

Desi: The False Ideology Ylh,

Just to let you know, Sikhs for some very well-known historical reasons do not trust Muslims, Muslim rule to be very particular.

I majority of Sikhs would have stayed in Pakistan, very likely there would have a real bloody conflict about 1000 time the intensity of Sunni-Shia one that is going on in Pakistan.

Desi: The False Ideology Aisha,

In your post #120 you say that you hate Indians, Taliban, and gays because they are betrayars of humanity.

I can understand your hatered for indians and Taliban but how are gays betrayars of humanity? Please explain.

Open Letter to Prime Minister Vajpayee Farzana Ref 382

What do you want said?

Is anyone defending corruption? Are you even aware of the current topic or do you have couple of what you may consider very bright and intuitive points make?

If you have something to say, write and article and post it?

You are just like a little child waiting for someone to say something about BJP and scandal so you can jump in with your two cents.

Well…since you want something said, corruption in the defense sector by members of a hawkish government which campaigned on national security is inexcusable and more the a few heads should roll. I say a real bleeding of bureaucrats is needed.

Open Letter to Prime Minister Vajpayee I keep reading these 700,000 soldiers killing, raping, burning in Kashmir. Why can`t each soldier kill just 1 person every day and have this problem done with within a week.

I am only kidding after all. But the soldiers aren’t there to kill and rape and that is not the intention of GOI. After all, correct me if I am wrong, were the soldiers in Kashmir “killing and raping” before the terrorists.

Now to say that the terrorists are there to protect the civilian population from “killing and raping” by the soldiers is a, well…….fooking lie.

If only Indians could learn from the Army of the Pure and kill a few million within a few months, all the problem will be resolved.

Lets Destroy The Bamiyan Buddhas! sb,

You question was why should Taliban listen to the workd opnion.

Well...because the world feeds those black soul dogs. If it weren`t to western (the great satan) food aid, 90% of those animals would have been dead by now.

This Visit To Pakistan Jagdeep,

I lived in Punjab from 85 to 88. I don`t remember loudspeakers, but that may be a laspe in my memory, or may be because I lived in a mostly hindu town, Hoshiarpur. This loudspearker thing may be new, since in left India or I simply don`t remember. Oh well....they can do what ever they want, I can`t be subjected to now.

The Islamist and Hindutva Politics: Identities of Outlook and Objectives Ylh

You say, ``I used to wonder why Pakistan and India not develop a relationship similar to Canada and USA.

Truth is that permanent conflict between Pakistan and India undermines the creation of Pakistan and its purpose. I have come to the conclusion that its not in the interest of Indians ideologically to have peace. Tibor`s comments are a clear testament of that``

My response. You parted ways so you parted ways son. Peace with Pak does not mean open borders. India does not want hostilities with Pak but that does not mean they want to have an open border with Pak. Infact India wants to just ignore Pak, and disown all historic links with Pak. Good luck to you in your land of Pure and to your blood line of Mohammed.

India-Kashmir-Pakistan: Perceptions on the History of Partition Tahmed



I am aware of racial construction of India. But since all Hindus, which most Indians (80%) are, are considered one collection of people which I labeled as race by Pakistanis, so I collected them under a single lable, race. My inferiorty complex is more of gratefullness that Pakistan at this point is a seperate entity.

The Islamist and Hindutva Politics: Identities of Outlook and Objectives Ylh says, ``You have transgressed all moral authority, so donot address me with your lectures. You defeatists need to be taught a lesson``

He means that if you hurt is feeling and make him sad, he will cry and kick and scream and hit you.

Keep Ylh happy, he is very sensitive. The sun only rises when he gets up.

India-Kashmir-Pakistan: Perceptions on the History of Partition Tahmed response to reply 102

Your response to my ““I say mine the whole border with Pakistan and also add a wall of poison gas along the border so no Paki can get through.``” Was “This is a definite symptom of repressed anger due to childhood abuse. Pakistan serves to provides a focus for this anger.”

Thank you doctor Tahmed, now all my problems are solved, you should dispense more advise on Chowk.

Your response to my “”...see how they are treated if they pretend to be anything other than dark, foreign, servants who turned Muslims to imitate, please, and amuse their masters.``” Was “This indicates a deep inferiority complex combined with equally strong racist attitudes. The inner conflicts that you are suffering from are obvious.”

I didn’t know Pakis were a different race from Indians…maybe I should have had because now I remember you all keep saying you are Arabs. Oops my bad, my real, real bad. I do feel inferior,

deprived because my granddad robbed me from being a Paki. Pakistan is the envy of entire India and that is way we want to destroy Pak. OR you people are obscenely proud of being possible descendent from brothels and harems of some foreign invader.

You say “You need serious psychiatric help. Instead of wasting time sitting around on chowk with a faux-European moniker trying to convince Pakis how much you hate us, do yourself a favor and get help. Maybe Shankar can provide you with some directions...”

Help Shankar….help.

Do I hate you guys? No. I just don’t want Pakis worrying that India wants to undo borders. After all, isn’t it a Paki fear that India wants to annex Pakland. I don’t want reunification; not even if you guys promise that you will have your wives, mothers, and daughters provide oral sex to every Indian on demand. And neither do I want Europe type open borders with India and Pak. You’ve got what you wanted now stay there. As it is said, ‘Once you leave home son, you leave.`

India-Kashmir-Pakistan: Perceptions on the History of Partition Do away with borders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don`t know who said and don`t even care who it was by; but, it is a typical Muslim belief. When they want to move into an area they complain about border, what use are they, we are just like you.... people, and all that humanistic crap. And when they get around 25 to 30 percent in any area they want separate nation their own destiny. They don`t want to live with kefirs, the un-islamic, the devil worshipers. They discover the rights to self-aspiration and separation, then they need borders.

Uh...NO. I say mine the whole border with Pakistan and also add a wall of poison gas along the border so no Paki can get through. Let them move into Middle east and Persia or go to Turkey, after all Kurds do have Indian origins, they`ll feel comfortable their, and see how they are treated if they pretend to be anything other than dark, foreign, servants who turned Muslims to imitate, please, and amuse their masters.

The Soft Option Please excuse me, but this is only my second cut and paste and is ment for Ylh`s consumption....

India: SC veto a symbol of power

By Mohammad Zaman Malik

Updated on 12/13/2000 8:48:17 AM



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The permanent member`s veto is a powerful symbol.

To gain this status,India has been stooping herself to the lowest depths of depravity to which the human spirit can sink.

During the cold war period India entered into secret military agreements/pacts with America, in 1959.

It was because of this agreement that American challenged China when India was thrashed by the PRC forces, in April 1962, and it was again due to this agreement/secret military pact, that India provided all logistic support to the Americans, from her bases, in India.

For this, India was richly rewarded.

Yet, during the same period of cold war, India had successfully flirted with the `NAM` as a leader of those countries.

G-77 eventually saw the truth of India`s duplicity when they were shown it by PM Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, after the summit of OIC leaders, in 1974, at Lahore.

From 1991 to November 2000, India never uttered a word of sympathy for Muslims, against the illegal and immoral occupation of Arab`s lands captured by Israel, since 1948 or after 1967 war.

Now, after seeing the changing scenario, from Washington to West Asia, she rushed to Iraq and expressed solidarity with the oppressed people of Palestine.

India`s double standards are so utterly shabbiest that these can be picked up even by a small kid of general knowledge/current affairs.

How can she shed the crocodile tears because of the atrocities and genocide of the Palestinians perpetrated on them by her natural ally - Israel? Does she want that the Arabs should forget her own atrocities that continue unabated against the people of the state-of Muslim State, of Jammu and Kashmir, since 1946? Can the fake offer of peace by Vajpayee, like the insincere offer of Ehud Barak, throw dust in the eyes of the world; always exactly in the same way? Does India think that the people of Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan and Iraq should forget the UNSC`s resolutions regarding the right of self determination as well as the return of Arab`s territories occupied by Israel in 1967/before that; exactly in the same manner she wants them forget about the UNSC`s resolutions of 1948-49, wherein, the people of the Muslim state of Jammu and Kashmir were to exercise their right of self-determination under UN auspices? If not why did she never plead for those Muslims vis-à-vis Israel? Does India want that the Arabs should forget about the propaganda war waged jointly by the natural allies- India and Israel, terming the Muslims as ruthless terrorists, spread across the world? Does India think that she can perhaps, now turn to the Muslim`s votes to make her a Veto Power? Yes, there was a time in the distant past, when Nehru was hailed in Saudi Arabia, as a `prophet of Peace`.

That happened over Fifty years ago! Now the Arabs realise that both India and Israel are the real Iblis set to destroy their economy and hell bent upon subjugating the Muslims, for their lands, resources and territories, not withstanding the UNSC`s resolutions.

Infact, India and Israel themselves are leaving no stone unturned in projecting their own criminalities so unashamedly, by not vacating the Muslims territories, flouting UN resolutions.

Infact they care two hoots for UNO.

No single creed or doctrine binds Hindus together.

They are all in one-Polytheist, Monotheist as well as Atheist.

Hinduism is a syncretic way of life, not even a faith or religion.

The practices of Hinduism consist of rites and ceremonies on birth, marriage, and death.

They believe in the here only and not at all, in the here after.

Reincarnation tells them that if one does good deeds, one is paid immediately after death, right here, when he is born to a Braman or a rich person, unlike the one who does bad, who is immediately born after death in a wretched house or to pig/dog, etc.

It is because of this reason that they are more materialistic than the Jews.

The `land of Yogas and Mantaras` is as best as the land of wailing wall, where non other than Hindus or Jews, are supposed to live, without insult and indignities.

If Israel and India are not working hand in glove to achieve their nefarious designs against Muslims, if indeed they believe in the charter of UNO and the human rights; why don`t they both allow the UN observers/UN forces to come and ensure that no side violates the human rights of the other.

To them, the UNO, wrapped into its human rights, is nothing except a farce, providing excuse for the powerful to usurp the weaker`s rights, land or territories and they are adhering to this concept of their`s, without remorse or fear of the hereafter.

How can they be all in one-prosecution, judge and jury? Injustice and inequity would bring their disgraceful end sooner than later; the world has seen enough of that at their hand! Have they not gone around in the world and seen for themselves how nations more powerful and mightier than them were destroyed because they polluted the socio economic cultures of the nations of the time? The usurped/forcibly occupied territory of the victim Muslims, is being bargained, for peace-what a cleverness! After all, it was not happening to them, during the last 2000 yeas for nothing--they were only to pay for what they did, to others all along! Was India discovered in the early nineties, for the first time? The world is appalled at the sight and speed of the world/universe beauties of it, which began to emerge after early nineties.

Who is the arbiter of fashion, nudity, and sensuality of the world? Who holds the control of the media and purse strings of the world? After Israeli president-Weizmann`s visit of India in mid nineties mutual trade between both increased from 200 million US dollars in 1992 to 600 in 1996, and now its in billions.

India`s per capita income was 379 US$.

In 1997, which took a quantum jump and stood at 996 dollars in 1999.

In every department of life, India was turned into a most intelligent, most brilliant, most open, most permissive, most progressive, most suitable for tourism, and above all most AIDS ridden natural ally, in the world.

All that happened in the batting of an eye.

The last 5 to 7 yeas offer a dazzling landscape that one can easily scan through to see as to how a nation can be befooled by the Zionists through artificial shots in the arm, whenever they wish to enroll a conduit.

The magic wand given to this conduit by Israel has permanently created a black-hole into India`s negativity.

There in New York, in September 2000, during summit conference organised by the secretary general of UNO, India created trouble between Pakistan and Bangladesh.

If Bangladesh prime minister were really earnest she would most probably have discussed matters mutually with Pakistan, prior to achieving total surprise over Pakistan and the rest of the OIC countries.

What is the OIC for? Both Bangladesh and Pakistan enjoyed the best of relations, since the monumental summit of the OIC held at Lahore, in 1974, in which the most unforgettable figures of the UMMAH headed their countries.

Sheikh Mujeeb-ur-Rehman, the PM Bangladesh and PM Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto embraced each others, rather regretted to have played in their nemesis hands during 1970-71, and that marked the end of all kinds of acrimonious/allegations.

Who was behind the intrigue, how and why; is the question, the answer to which is not far to seek? Obviously, those who arranged a secret military pact between Awami League leader Mujibur Rehman and PM Indira Gandhi of India; those who arranged Military pact between Soviets and India in Aug 1971; those who asundered Pakistan; those who shape US foreign policy; those who manipulated soviet invasion of Afghanistan in Dec 1979; those who brought Glasnost; those who destroyed Iraqi Nuclear Reactor in 1981; those who created war between Iraq and Iran; those who contrived Iraqi offensive against Kuwait; those who frightened King Fahad against the planted designs of Iraq; those who despite King`s disapproval forced their forces into Saudi Arabia.

Had it not been forcible, had it been based on genuine threat from Iraq, American troops would have immediately withdrawn from there as well as the gulf! Those about whom in 1920, returning from the unsuccessful peace-conference of Versailles, president Wilson of American announced openly that:- ``there was a secret force at work in Europe which they wee unable to trace``.

Those about whom Winston Churchill said:- ``There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in actual bringing about of Russian revolution by these international and for the most part, atheistical Jews...``.

(Churchill Winston 20th C.

British Publications).

About them Franklin Benjamin.

18th c.

American states man wrote:``...

``I think keeping us out of the possession of fifty thousands of pound sterling worth of goods for securing the payment of a demand for damages is not only dishonourable treatment but a monstrous injustice.

I believe John Nevfville of Amsterdam to be as much a Jew as any in Jerusalem``.(latter from Passy, France, to President, John Adams, Nov 26 1781).

It is they who are behind it about whom General Washington had said: ``....

We must protect this young nation from insidious influence and impenetration.

The gentlemen are Jews..

for over 1700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate...

if you do not exclude them from these United States in this constitution; in less than 200 years they will dominate and devour and change our form of government...`` (Gen. Washington in letter from Passy, France, to President John Adam Nov, 26, 1781 cited by A.

Smith, the writings of Benjamin Franklin).

There are many alarming prophecies about Jews by many more, including Bonaparte, Degualle and Germans including Fritsch Theodore.

However, I conclude by the last one, by Ravage Marculli-20th c.

Jew writer of America: ``The three principal revolutions in modern times - the French, American, and Russian were the triumph of Jewish idea of social, political and economic justice...`` the proof of prophesy lies in its fulfillment.

India has fallen like a ripe plum in the Zionists lap and have in the twinkling of an eye, changed from reactive to proactive policy in the region in a planned operation against Afghanistan, India would provide all possible support to US and Russia; according to a written undertaking amongst all.

Lady Mountabatten (Jew`s) infused a very wrong notion of self styled grandeur in the little arrogant skull of Nehru who developed mangalmania of a world power status, even through deceit and treachery.

Hindus were never the rulers of India.

Asoka and Chadra Gupta were Buddhist Kings.

How far a people can be befooled, can be gauged from the storm of beauty parlors grown up over night across India.

That is how they create and stimulate a market - big one, for selling their stuff.

India is a biggest democracy and a biggest market for beauty parlors, and she is sure to achieve the status of a great veto power also! India`s world/Universe beauties reflect her illiterateness rather.

Besides, India and Israel are trying in vain to deceive the world perceptions by misguided euhism: swaggerer`s cacophony despite their superior IT can not succeed in fantasising the world imaginations because they tell lies very conspicuously.

They can not garble the truth.

The hackers are there to know what cooks up amongst them, minute to minute.

Artificial and fake gestures for peace, along with malicious propaganda against Muslims, by both the defiant states, in one and the same breath` can hardly help maintain their hold over the Muslims lands and resources, because of the emerging dangers to their own existence, if they did not resolve the basic issues.

Tripartite talks, disregarding their mutual relationship forged and highlighted by both, after the operation `Desert Storm` supervised by the UN forces/observers, within a definite time frame, alone can achieve the desired ends acceptable to either sides, in both the regions for peace in Asia/in the world.

Without time Frame, the talks may well spill over the farthest limits causing holocaust in the nuclear charged regions.

Jews must shun conspiracies for world peace, and be not behind every intrigue in the world.

The Soft Option Ylh

I think I have figured out one of your problems, you don`t use the same definition of Brahmin as ever one else does....I think. Maybe you want to clarify to us all what Brahmin means to you.