Fissures in the Middle Harishbhai,

(That was way before he became a proponent of non-violence. )

He was into ahimsa from his young days and he propounded non-violent satyagraha in 1906 while at the same time acting as a recruitment agent.

(that except for the one time)

Cant we then apply the same standard for MKG's recruitment drive in WW-I. And his excusing Moplah violence in 1920-22.

(what was Direct Action Day all about)

Did MAJ (pbuh) ask Leaguers to murder Hindoos/Sikhs? Yes, possibly he turned a deaf ear to some of his followers call for "action". But then MKG too turned a deaf ear to Moplists violence.

(Did Gandhi mobilize hundreds and thousands of Indians to pillage and kill black Kafirs? )

Did MAJ mobilize hundreds and thousands of Muslims to pillage and kill Hindoos?

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Fissures in the Middle Tahmed sahib,

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It would be only fair to say that neither MKG nor MAJ (pbuh) were angels, they had their own share of strengths and weaknesses and mistakes.

But he did one thing right - and that was his emphasis on nonviolence.

As a matter of fact, neither MKG nor MAJ (pbuh) were very different on this. MAJ (pbuh) was always an advocate of constitutional methods and never endorsed violence as part of policy except possibly the invasion of Kashmir by tribals. And MKG for all his non violence was an enthusiastic recruiter for Brits in the Zulu War and in WW-I and turned a blind eye to the Moplah violence.

but it was a tactical contribution to one community of people

One criticism often levelled against MAJ (pbuh) by Gandhians (and others) is that he spoke only for Muslims and broke the unity of Indian people by trying to privilege Muslims vis-a-vis Hindoos and yet they overlook that he did the same in Africa in trying to privilege Indians against Kafirs.

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Fissures in the Middle Ahmed madani sahib,

I disliked MKG even before I came across YLH and chowk.com. But his writings basically confirmed my belief about MKG being a nasty piece of goods.

Regarding Gandhi the movie, it was as we say in India, a super duper hit in the West (USA and Europe) and also picked up 8 Oscars. But in India itself the movie flopped badly becuase it did not have a song and dance sequence. Distributors did request Atten sahib to show a song and dance of MKG and Mrs. KG doing a song and dance around a bush in the rains but Atten sahib did not oblige. And the movie flopped in India.

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Fissures in the Middle Tahmed sahib,

Why the "naked fakir" Gandhi remains a world figure while Jinnah is a nobody on the world stage.

That is becuase of the constant propaganda unleashed by GOI and becuase of Gandhi the movie.

But I dont think you are aware of the latest developments - Madame Tussaud's removed his statue from a hall where statesmen were placed and placed it in a lonely corner by a dust bin. And wikipdeia has included negative references to his role in SAf.

Btw, MAJ (pbuh) got more than 40% approval rating in India, where he has been systematically denigrated for ages.

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The Indian Mujahideen – The Answer to BJP’s Pseudo-Secularist Fascism or a New Method to Spread Unrest? Tahmed sahib,

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Not at all, sir. It is very flattering to know that our neighbours still "value" our influence and legacies in spite of getting rid of us 60 years back.

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The Indian Mujahideen – The Answer to BJP’s Pseudo-Secularist Fascism or a New Method to Spread Unrest? Tahmed sahib,

the hindu mischief of the "caste system" has to some extent polluted islam

Caste system and suicide bombings (in NWFP) were all Hindoo customs imported into Pakistan by Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi at the behest of an Indian Hindoo leader who will remain unnamed!!!

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Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India Tahmed sahib,

(the indian children's book flaunting hindu crap)

Obviously you didnt care to read enuff Indian children's book. The likes of Amar Chitra Katha glorify India's Muslim heritage as well. If you ever come to India I will gift you a few copies on people like Akbar, Sher Shah Suri, Razia Sultan, Chand Bibi etc.

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Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India Tahmed sahib,

I think history books can and should inculcate a bit of pride in heritage without resorting to lies or jingoism.

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Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India P3,

these people" were some lost souls that had nothing whatsoever to do with us as individuals, let alone our possible ancestors.

Given Pak insecurity vis-a-vis India, that is understandable.

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Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India P3,

it is all done very begrudgingly and dispassionately with no pride involved.

Well, at least better than being completely overlooked.

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Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India Tahmed sahib,

Re: 313

Does Pakistan school/college history books cover pre- 712 history or as the Indian detractors say completely avoids all mention of pre- 712.

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Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India DM sahib,

My first English dictionary a 1950s vintage OED defined 1 billion as 1,000,000,000,000.

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Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India DM sahib,

For example, is there a more popular book for Hindus in North India than Tulsidas's Ramayan? And this Ramayan was written during the Mughal period. Kabir, Surdas, Meera were all writing during the Mughal rule.

I have actually pointed this out to Nkg moshai but in his opinion all that was written in this period- is basically small stuff compared to Kalidas, Tagore et al.

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Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India Tahmed sahib,

For once, Guruji is right -400 crores is 4 billion. 40 million is 400 lakhs.

I assume you are familiar with the origins of the term "bharat".

I believe it is named after King Bharat, son of Dushyant and Shakuntala. Do you have a different explanation?

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Government Wins Manmohan Singh Loses Tahir mian,

(I can't sell our precious Q-cumbers)

I am not asking you to sell them, merely exchange them. Our Commies and mullahs hate being Indians and you guys hate your Q-cumbers. Win win for both sides!

(we just can't have enough of the Deobandis,why would we want more of the same merchandise?)

Why not? These guys are truest Muslims, no?

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Government Wins Manmohan Singh Loses Tahir mian,

(But if I were to give them to India, I would not be showing love for your country but rather animosity!)

What is considered good or bad for a nation may be different for different countries/societies.

Let me make an offer to you what I have already made to Zee sahib. You give us your Mirzaees, murtids and Ao Paos to us and we can give you our commies and mullahs in return.

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