Fissures in the Middle Masadi sahib,

(he understood that a Pakistan extracted from India would leave it forever dependant on externals for defense)

If I remember correct MAJ (pbuh) did speak about sharing the defence responsibility for the sub-continent as a whole with his Indian counterparts.

Besides, there is enuff to suggest that outsourcing your defence requirements does not necessarily result in military rule and impoverishment of people.

(His installation of himself as GG also helped along the same course of nipping any people's democracy)

Wrong on three counts.

First, he became the GG becuase he was undoubtedly the leader of the majority party in Pak, not becuase of some military maneuver.
Second, there is anything inherently wrong about a Prez form of governance which is possibly what he had in mind.
Third, by the time of his demise GG's post had become largely ceremonial (which continued in his successor Nazimuddin's regime) while PM (LAK) got most of the powers.

The undermining of democracy strated with GM as GG, his dismissal of Nazimuddin's govt and last but not the least Munir's upholding of KN's dismissal in the Badtameez Maulvi case.

Harishbhai,

I have read that interview. Kindly note that MAJ (pbuh) was trying to leverage USA's strategic needs for meeting Pakistan's requirements, NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. He possibly had a Pak Marshall Aid Plan in mind.

Besdies he was looking for goodies for the country as a whole not for personal benefits like Mushy.

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Fissures in the Middle Masadi sahib,

the incorporation of the Pakistan Army, a colonial occupation force into the affairs of the state

Whatever else the J-man's faults maybe, this cretainly wasn't. Can you show one evidence, one speech or one piece of writing where he supprted military intervention or even participation in civilian/political matters.

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Fissures in the Middle Harishbhai,

The situation had gone out of control of anyone's hands by then mainly becuase of Lord M's foolishness.

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Fissures in the Middle Harishbhai,

Yes there were non ML Muslims as well. But the largest chunk supported him. Besides why did Brits and INC accept MAJ (pbuh) as the sole spokesman.

Did Gandhi incite Hindus to kill Muslims?

Did MAJ (pbuh) incite Muslims to kill Hindoos/Sikhs?

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Fissures in the Middle Hraishbhai,

So what do you make of his comment that Indian Muslims weren't his problem?

IMs had a right to emigrate to Pakistan. But naturally, if IMs were happy being Indians and chose to remain Indian, why wud they be MAJ's problem? Surely if some IMs chose to reject TNT, how wud MAJ be liable for them.

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Fissures in the Middle Harishbhai,

So who killed the Muslims in E Punjab and parts of Bihar/UP. Gandhians/Nehruvians, no?

The point is that Khilafat and the method of its ending created a huge divide and a tinderbox waiting to be set alight.

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Fissures in the Middle Harishbhai,

No, MAJ (pbuh) was not pure as driven snow. He was a man, warts and all. I am only asking you to be reasonable.

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Fissures in the Middle Ajeya babu,

MKG's fault was that he brought bad apples in the Muslim community to the fore rather than supporting the more progressive elements. And he began the pandering to minority fundamentalists (Moplahs) a policy which has been adopted by GOI/INC as well. And which in turn strengthens majority communalism.

Hope that clarifies.

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Fissures in the Middle Masadi sahib,

ML had been gaining ground even before 1939. And QIM was a strategic blunder on part of INC. India was already gradually moving towards self-rule and nothing much was to be achieved by QIM. OTOH, if Brits had been beaten we would have ended up with Japanese masters, which wudnt have done us any good either. All you can say is that ML behaved somewhat oppourtunistically but that is true for all political parties.

Harishbhai,

Pakistan had given right to entry to IMs till 1950s so theoretically if any IM felt aggrieved, he could have migrated. Secondly, MAJ (pbuh) never contemplated that either India or Pakistan would maltreat their minorities or there would be such cast iron boundaries between two countries.

You can accuse MAJ of being naive but not callous.

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Fissures in the Middle Masadi sahib,

Muslims in India did not trust his judgment.

They did. They voted for him almost en masse.

take the divide and rule to its logical conclusion

The divide started long before MAJ (pbuh) took up the TNT demand. It is false to blame him for it.

I would make some of my other feelings about him explicit in words

You should.

We lament it when you (or anyone else) makes an attack on another chowkie but MAJ (pbuh) or any other political personality cannot be given the same protection. He had an impact on the lives of millions and if you have any criticism, however harsh, it must be made. It will be upto his defenders to defend him.

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Aafia Siddiqui to Appear in Court Masadi sahib,

Re:85

I second that.

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Fissures in the Middle Masadi sahib,

Why dont we hold a straw poll on chowk?

where your friend YLH got that from

It is not just Yasser. Zee sahib, for instance who is a patriotic Pakistani and a devout Muslim, is a fan of MAJ (pbuh)

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Fissures in the Middle Harishbhai,

And we all know what Lord M and the gora governors should have done, but unfortunately for us that is not what actually happened.

Yes, but that is not MAJ's fault is it. He believed in the Brits fairness and they let him (and the sub-continent) down.

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Aafia Siddiqui to Appear in Court Tahmed sahib.

could anyone provide an educated reason exactly why this woman was crossing the Afghan border

Do we know for certain that she did cross the border? Is it possible that she was picked up in Khi and dumped in Bagram or somewhere in A'stan?

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Fissures in the Middle Harishbhai,

I am referring to the GORAs who were still running the Govt. Lord M and the gora governors shud have put their foot down and restored order.

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Fissures in the Middle Harishbhai,

Rioters would have been chopped down by Armymen, who would have been given orders by Govt to deal strictly with the rioters.

unfortunately the majority of Indians were (and still are I think) devoid of it.

I am glad that you said it. If the Indians are basically inhuman and would have indulged in religion based rioting at the drop of a hat it is useless to blame MAJ (pbuh) for the religious divide and violence in the sub-continent.

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