The April Fool Referendum HEY SHANKAR,

The April Fool Referendum pankaj,

thank you for adressing my post. You said that a chaotic, corupt democracy is more preferable and sustainable than a benevolent dictatorship. After reading your post , I tend to agree with you . But honestly the track record of the politicians are horrible. Isnt creating a gradual democracy under a benevolent leader , creating a grass-roots political cx possible? fine sir if democracy is the answer then how do you obtain it in pakistan`s current state?

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation urstruly,

let me ask you do you trust hadiths?

samina

reassure you on what? what insinuations did i make? that guy hamid ragged on pakistani guys so i ragged on him .........simple.,,,,,,,,,,

What Went Wrong With Devdas i dont know i think it was too aristrocratic..........turgenev and these pre-revolution writers are so weird to be honest i have more of an emotional relationship with my ammi than my Dad i suspect most pakistani guys do....so i can relate to S and L more sometimes........actually ive been reading faiz ahmed faiz the autumn and that poem about the word that must be heavy as honey ...amazing poet ,,,,,,,,,urdu poetry has its own diction and terminology......................have u ever read goethe`s wordsworth......oh poor lottte.......but sons and lovers is a cool book .......i like the classics ...............i like ghalib`s yeh hamari kismat nae thi.................im gonna check that website out too.....a pakistani girl who is dating this belgian guy who is learning urdu too gave me a book to learn basic urdu........see spot run........loooool......

Good-Riddance are there sikhs in pakistan?

Peace in South Asia in DC every year there is Bhangra Blow out ................man mad punjabi girls there it would blow ur mind

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beer ......good idea......

cheers (bottle of coronona raised in the air)

(spanish girls go to puerto rico san juan..........they are just to die for if u ever see a puerto rican just remember 2 words :ay mami .)

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation urstruly

i think you are stuck in a time warp. pre-concieved , self-serving ideological readings of the koran are not consistent with the progressive spirit of Islam. the koran and the prophet are a mercy to mankind it was progressive for its time and enviorment. The koran gave women rights .....the same progressive approach must be used today,,,,,,,,,you have a right to propagate islamic ideology as hamid has a right to his anti-islamic views............but by advocating vicious activities as wife-beating you are fueling the fire of anti-islamic hatred in the likes of hamidm and all people of muslim origion will suffer

like albert camus said,``yesterday`s opressed become tommorow`s opressors`` how can u condone wife-beating are you so insecure real men do not beat women they control their tempers or did u forget that hadith?

Happy 56th Anniversary, Pakistan and India sameer,

im not in love with anybody now ....just read my posts to ana and how i piss her off !!!!! i like sikhism because theres no bs in it..........no religuous absolutism im sick of islam dont do this and that ...........this is islamic and this isnt and the arab cultural imperialism inherent in islam at least in sikhism it is an authentic punjabi religion

His Hurry ana jaan:(..........

please dont be mad or disappointed its all in fun .............i have a deep and profound respect for pakistani women......i mean im not pakihunk here u know doing cheap pick-up lines every minute in liberty (i have cousins who do that i find it funny) ......... pakistani women force guys like me to be jimmies to go to pakistan(iran is an option but jaanam the women there are so materialistic ) ............hum kya karey ..........hum tho be insaan hai ??? i mean i want a nice intelligent independant pakistani woman who speaks her mind and is my friend not a woman from lahore who sees me as a meal ticket as understandable as that may be ............if we approach women in a direct way hum ko tameez nahi hai ........if we dont we dont get anything ............this is our problem........dating should be more open here and parents should encourage im tired of this cloak and dagger games i have to play .........i dont know but most of the shaadis my mom draggs me to( i hate paki parties and fxs they are so .......indian parties are much better alcohol and scantily clad women !!) is mostly and i mean in my experience and what i sea and hear ...........1 partner is from pakistan .........guy or girl ...........its enough to make a tehrani become namaazi ??????

janam there is a saying in farsi .........when you corner the dog he is most dangerous ...........jimmies are dangerous to women i dont want ot be a jimmy but again if im cornered.........

1) i dont use pick up lines at all its just that a lot of my friends who u and lucy would call ghondas do i picked them up

2) thanks for the patience ...............

love and respect :)

dostan

fawad agha

Peace in South Asia and there my plans to be the next dictator of pakiland .........too bad i would have made lahore into the next vegas................

Dual citizenship & divided loyalty

It was surprising to read that two Pakistani citizens residing in the US but desiring to contest elections in Pakistan have challenged Section 14 of the Pakistan Citizenship Act on the ground that it is discriminatory because it allows Pakistanis to have dual citizenship with the UK, its colonies and other countries notified by the government but does not allow this in respect of the US.

I was even more surprised that the Pakistanis who have acquired the citizenship of a foreign state and also live abroad, not being satisfied with dual citizenship facilities, now want to contest elections in Pakistan and become members of the parliament.

While they are entitled to the benefits and facilities related to the dual citizenship, they must realize that having acquired the citizenship of a foreign state, they are debarred from contesting, being chosen and from being members of parliament in Pakistan.

This is a constitutional provision contained in article 63 which has obviously been overlooked by a large number of people. This was recently pointed out by Mr Liaquat Merchant in his letter (Aug 14).

Pakistanis want to be governed by their own citizens. The very idea that Pakistanis residing in foreign countries with foreign citizenship wish to hold positions in Pakistan is a clear attempt to continue the policy of foreign influence over Pakistani national affairs. This came to an end in 1947.

Pakistan must have its own citizens in the parliament and the government. Those who are debarred by the Constitution from contesting elections and being chosen as members of the parliament by virtue of having acquired a foreign citizenship, have no place in Pakistan`s national affairs whether it be as a member of the parliament or a minister or as a public functionary at any level.

Pakistan has enough talent in political, legal, financial and other fields and it doesn`t need imported legislators, ministers and public functionaries.

Dual nationality holders may also be citizens of Pakistan by virtue of the amendment made in 1972 by the Bhutto government but their loyalties will be divided.

If their loyalties are with Pakistan only, they should give up their foreign citizenship and come back to Pakistan.They cannot have the best of both worlds. They cannot be eligible for membership of two parliaments or ministers in two governments.This is why the Constitution debars such persons from being elected, chosen or being member of parliament in Pakistan.

Let them be content with the facilities that flow from dual citizenships whatever they may be and we will continue to hold such Pakistanis in high regard and respect as equal citizens of state subject to the Constitution of Pakistan.

A. S. PINGAR

Karachi

Peace in South Asia sons and lovers

by DH lawernce is a great book its like love-hate relationship pakistani sons have with their mothers and the incessant need of the mother to be in the son`s life and the son`s pathological emotional atttachment to his mother ? Do all pakistani men want their wives to be their mothers in disguise ?

would you put dostoyevsky(spelled wrong) as an embittered cynical writer I mean isnt Raskolnikov the ultimate cynic? then again he believes in redemption through suffering !!!! the russian really have a penchant for pyscho-analysis? how about turgenev another pyscho

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation ``hindoo or jewish boy...........``

way too easy looooooooool

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation urstruly and hamid discussion

urstruly.....

since espousing belief in tenets of a certain religion islam is enough to convict you of being a religuous demon and wife beater ..........then i submit that hamidm is a narrow minded intolerant bigot who is exactly what he seeks not to be .....by objectifying you as a mullah etc he makes these crazy generalizations ........i dont condone your apologies for wife-beating but i defend your right to believe what you want to believe ............he says thats its not an academic discussion for he has 2 daugthers ....woop-di-doo........all of have female relatives he is not special.........the question isnt wife-beating but its the right to believe what u want to believe ........everyone has the right to believe what they want this is america its not a fascist state ............this is tyranny of liberalism it has to stop...........it leads to things like the john walker , sami al-arian and serious curtailment of civil rights today its islam tommorow could be hiindoos or jews ...............

ps hamid no sane paki would touch ur daughters with a 5 foot pole with such a islam -basher as you ................by all means may they find non-paki guys !!!

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation thanks to the islam-bashers who like to portray all practicing muslims as violent barbarians we have the below .....................(hint hinti to a certain islam-basher on this board) we have a climate for hatred which would be much less severe if they didnt facilitate this hatred but then agian if you believe in certain tenets of islam its enough to make you a wife beater..........yeah and if you wear hejab you are opressed automatically ......oh yeah and martial arts and violence is the answer..........

Muslims in US face bias: poll

By Our Correspondent

LOS ANGELES, Aug 22: According to results of a poll released on Wednesday by a national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group, around 57 per cent of American Muslims say that they experienced bias or discrimination since the Sept 11 terrorist attacks.

But the poll of 945 individuals, conducted by the California- based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in July- August, indicates more than three-in-four American Muslims (79 per cent) also experienced kindness or support from friends or colleagues from other faiths.

That kindness often took the form of verbal reassurances, support during the anti-Muslim backlash following the attacks and even offers to help guard local mosques.

``The result of this survey show that while we have all gone through a traumatic year in our nation`s history, there is still hope for the future,`` CAIR executive director Nihad Awad said.

When asked to name the political party that best represents the interests of the American Muslim community, more respondents named the Democratic party (16 per cent) and Green party (5 per cent), than the Republican party (3 per cent). Yet 36 per cent of Muslim respondents said they voted for George W. Bush in the last presidential election.

There are an estimated seven million Muslims in the United States.

The April Fool Referendum whats more important democracy or the fact that the people get some measure of stability order and a better economy ..........

i think the latter ....rights are meaningless if everyone is starving and the country is in turmoil.........musharaff has the true power the asma jengahirs of the world ,as well intentioned and good and commendable at they are powerless.......true power must come from the top........democracy is not right for pakistan right now.....pakistan needs an ataturk someone who will rip islam to shreads in pakistan then some progress can be made .........unfortanatley musharaff is a closet islamist and jehadi........people dont make history states and powerful people do we are all cogs in the NWO..........

What Went Wrong With Devdas pakihunk,

dude ur a riot..........ur posts to lucy are amusing!!!!!!!!! why ur an unrepetent chauvinist .........``it behoves your gender.......pick topics more modestly..........`` oh man thats ballzy........

lucy

all this talks dcks and jacking off and small and bigness are you like lorenna bobbit or something watch out pakihunk she just might cut mini pakihunk and encase it in a glass box !!!!!! so are u like little lil kim less than 9 inches ......beep.......sorry ?

ana

disappointed ????? (why i have only begun to fight )