It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India #6 Posted by dost_mittar

The only credit to be given is their not being as dumb as musharraf. Everyone saw what the consequences of heavy-handedness in Pakistan were.

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #425 Posted by MatloobZaman Re: # 422

There was no real Muhajir domination in the pre-1974 period as much as I know and having commonly interacted with people of all ethnic backgrounds in the very city of Karachi ...

You must be kidding. It was difficult to find a single Sindhi professional (Doctor etc) in Karachi as well as in the provincial services although Karachi is Sindh. Same thing in Federal Services.

I am not familiar with the 'Chhoti Yey' so enlighten me some with another term.

Siddiqui, Rizvi, Zaidi, Jafferi, Qureshi, Ansari etc ... all end with a 'chhoti yey'.

Should I understand from your quote of 13% that a minority should have no rights and should be degraded and demonized in all manners possible? or, you are just mentioning that because the book states so?

I don't see what is so difficult to understand that if any ethnicity in a Federation of 5 ethnicities gets far more than it's share of Govt jobs in accordance with its population ratio, the extra has to come out of someone else's share - and that creates resentment.

The book was quoted by you, not me. I merely reproduced it and showed it actually proved my point, rather than yours.

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #421 Posted by MatloobZaman,

I agree 'Muturwa' was (is?) mostly used in a contemptuous manner, while Dhagga and Akhrot/Khar Dimagh are used mostly without contempt.

This has something to do with Muhajir domination (and ethnic nepotism) of pre-1974 when they had 1/3rd of all Govt jobs (the extract from your quoted book refers) against a population of some 13%. I remember a Govt Servant telling me when I started my career in a semi-Govt organization to be wary of the 'Chhoti Yey'. He was saying through experience.

And no I'm not in Police. That was another gentleman (I don't remember the nick) who is an ASP Police in Karachi. Nice guy.

That was the mistrust, and politics of MQM doesn't help at all - only worsens it.

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #418 Posted by MatloobZaman,

Lucknawies are known to be far more sensitive ever after generations having nothing to do with Lucknow.

Sir, a pure blooded Lucknavi relative of mine (rest in peace) used to call Shias 'Khatmal'.

One needn't turn these expressions of mutual ethnic rivalries into personal affronts. Are you aware the English joke about the Irish and Scots same as we joke about Sikhs?

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #414 Posted by MatloobZaman,

Yaar actually the main Muhajir complaint is they've been called "Makkarh", "Panah Geer", "Matharwa" etc. Even Altaf Husain griped about that in a Geo interview. So dis Salim Chauhan. So do many others.

Punjabis are called Dhaggas everywhere - they don't mind. Pathans are called Akhrot/Khar Dimagh etc - they don't mind. They even call each other that jokingly.

What's this chip on the shoulder with Muhajirs? Why don't they just laugh it off?

What Talibanization? Do you still believe you can win?

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #398 Posted by MatloobZaman

And where did this "Salim_Chauhan Pai" dropped in the middle from no where, it has been a few months that I have not seen his writing and thought he has gone underground.

There's a history to most of what is said on Chowk. A decade of history, my friend. Salim_Chauhan Pai used to be a kattar Jinnahpuri till 12 may (read his last FP article), and then he realized what the hell MQM was doing and turned mainstream. That was admirable.

However I strongly believe in bearing arms for self-defense and resisting violence if and when used by another to crush me or my clan.

That's the biggest mistake. The Al-Badar of Bangladesh thought so too, and they've been sitting in camps quite powerless since 1971. If you think you can bear arms against the mainstream population, you will suffer the same fate.

... if you ever feel like saying something to anyone I urge you to do it upfront and not under any cover.

Again, there's a history here, and people have their positions. Guess you're not a regular so you don't know my positions. I don't hide under any covers. I don't need to. There's none on Chowk more upfront than me.

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #392 Posted by tahmed32

But getting rid of Zardari will be a lot harder I think..

tahmed, getting rid of Zardari is easier than getting rid of mutarraf.

You see, PPP is the Bhuttos. The Bhutto family. It can't be anyone else. Bilawal can't become a Bhutto by changing names, nor Zardari can do anything about it. It's only a matter of the current family head Mumtaz Bhutto deciding to come mainstream and field either Sassui Bhutto (likely) or Fatima Bhutto in open challenge, and you'll see the tide changing in PPP to kick out Zardari. Zardari isn't really accepted in PPP, but no other choice for the moment.

PPP is nothing without a Bhutto in command.

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #395 Posted by MatloobZaman,

... say what is in your heart and mind about the Urdu Speaking Mohajirs instead of using the cliche of MQM

Now don't start with your victim ruse. No one, and I mean NO ONE in Pakistan has anything against the Urdu Speaking. Your attempt to make ALL Urdu speaking synonymous with MQM is contemptible. It is true though that the rest of Pakistan considers the political party MQM as treasonous. Period.

Since you brought it up, Urdu Speaking are my family. I too am Lucknavi by injection (Thanks Salim_Chauhan Pai).

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #388 Posted by HP

"Assembly abstention was only because PPP never consulted them about it. I believe this to be true" Zee this does not make sense...were they going to vote against instead of abstaining, if the PPP had consulted them?

Saeen, read the following so it'll make sense:

"We did not take part in the voting because PPP did not consider us a part in this process from the beginning."

These may not be his exact words, but this is what he meant. Kind of a lame excuse of-course, and I think bubba is right.

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #383 Posted by HP,

Guess you didn't hear Haider Abbas Rizvi's explanation.

He has explained they will fight against impeachment tooth and nail in the NA, while the Sindh Assembly abstention was only because PPP never consulted them about it. I believe this to be true.

I expected you to know better re MQM, but obviously you don't. TYhey're all liars and traitors, and will never be in the mainstream.

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #378 Posted by rf786,

So the predictable spin is on .... :)

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #377 Posted by cliftonbridge,

However your revelotion needs to be defeated first

So who's going to defeat my revolution? MQM? Who did namak harami to even their leash-holder mutarraf? (tongue icon)!

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #371 Posted by tahmed32,

My opinion on this is this is a better way to restore the judges. Fire mutarraf first.

You see, with mutarraf there, even if the judges were restored, there would be a problem with the existing judges because they couldn't be fired without a Supreme Judicial Council ruling according to the Constitution. Long process, argumentative, and too complicated with the dogars still sitting on the bench. Now once mutarraf goes, they'll just be fired - simple as that.

Re NRO fear of Zardari, I think it will not be touched as a compromise in return for Zardari's support for impeachment.

But, it's only for the time being. In time, Zardari will be out as well. Nawaz Sharif will ensure that. He isn't going to remain the junior partner to a skunk after all this.

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #357 Posted by tahmed32

... in NWFP and Panjab, at least some of the pro-Musharraf types stood their ground. ... These mqm rats are simply jumping ship. ... Hamidm can explain all this to you.\

Yes ... and Dr. cliftonbridge too will make a wonderful spin on it, tying in this ghaddari (namak harami etc) somehow with some lofty principles of secularism and liberalism.

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… #353 Posted by tahmed32,

By saying "as in case of Banazir/Zardari", I meant there WAS proof in their case. I suspect you understood the opposite.

Otherwise, allegations of corruption are a dime a dozen for everyone in public office.