Pakistani Detainee Enjoyed Deep US Roots #16 by sri on August 19, 2003 3:27pm PT

Smart europeans never assimilated anywhere. Not in India, Not in Austrila, Not in America.... I think you are getting the drift..

Growing up Muslim Saima Shah

I think that you need to get yourselves a new religion.
This article which you pretend to give a crituque about Pakistani Immigrants is just a thinly vieled attmept to justify your take on west.

Do you see Americans adjusting to local culture anywhere in the world? Did the British adjust themselves to Indian culture earlier? Did their children grow up confused? No obviously not because you read Ruskin Bond and others with great reverence. Did any of them give up their religion?

Do Americans give up their culture in Saudi Arabia? In India? In malaysia?

With regard to sexual issues, It is strange you did not find any problem in young little girls being sexualised when they wear bikinis even 6 year olds? You have no problem with the sexual experiences of typical american 13 year old. You dont find the teen pregnencies of much concern yet you if any one suggests that a 15 year old get married it is a horrible Asian cultural practice.

How did the Americans came up to have such a high divorce rate? How did the Americans get to such a high rate of Adultery? How did the Americans came to such a high rate of Cheating their partners whom they are not married? Oh yes I know that you will say that the Muslims or pakistanis are the same they will cheat if given an opportunity blah blah..

Yet you talk about he honesty of the American people where is the honesty when they take vows to remain stead fast till death do them apart and the proceed to break those vows in a few years time. You do not talk about this confusion.

You talk about Slavery. I think that it is you who are a Slave. You want to find the fault in Quran for what you call anti women Ayaths. Yet you dont find the faults in the antiwomen stance of Western life. You are just as confused as the people you describe.
There are immigrants who are quite different from the ones you describe but you dont even ackowledge their existance.

Your tirade is just booring being endlessly repeated again and again by the confused people like you. I say that as a sexual freedom you marry your little girl at the age of 14 and with a condition that she has right to Divorce at will. And let her divorce her husband after a couple of months or years and then marry again similarly. She will be well within Islam if she does that. But you rather let her have sex at that age and again and again as long as it is called dating and experemtation but not marriage. you will call marriage repression if it is done islamically. I know muslims as well as hindus who were married at as low age of 14-15 there are some in them who are unhappy but most seem to be happy even now. On of my hindu friends wife was married to him at the age of 14 and when he was 16 she tells my wife how caring her inlaws were. She proceded to have children at 16 and then at 20 she took up college and then at 22 she had another child at 25 she started a business in Optical Insutrments. She now has a bussiness of turnover 4 crores of her own and runs a college in India. Her children too got married at young ages and have been quite happy.
Yet for you all marriages at young age are dreadful but on the other hand sexual experimenation in the west which is even now furtitive at best and usually damaging to the girl in terms of self esteem in the long run. she has no suppourt system to explore her sexual urges and to relate to her sexual partner in a meaningfull way.
You call this ok If this is not a sign of your slavery what is?

Dislodging a Dictator wow you pakistanis are real short of options!!

Imagine Benzair the saviour!!!

Im speechless.

The Zionist In Me #43 by harish_hyd on August 5, 2003 11:11pm PT

er going by the rapid shedding of every established notion of what was hindu looks like they dont need anybodys help. Remember that even christianity exists only as a shell of its former self. Today they apointed a gay Bishop.

One does not have to go that far. Other so called modern imporvemnts are but Islam. Today the world follows the path of Islam than it ever did before. Of course there is a bit of problem on sex and a few other issues but that is a overreaction to pervious oppression of it. We are just a few decades into this so called modern revlution. As they realise their mistakes they will be coming closer to Isalam and what will be left is saying of shadah. After all even the mongols accepted Islam after defeating muslims.

I dont remeber the 6000 year old date of zenith of a religon which could not even give itself its own name.
As far back as I remeber your co religionsits were going around naked even when muslims came to India first. Why they insisted their right to remain naked in the green and lush gardens of Kerala as late as 150 years back when the british had to force them to cover their bodies.

The Zionist In Me #35 by Mantolives on August 4, 2003 1:54pm PT
Do Hindus need to be conqured?? Why just a couple of posts back M_souza himself was sayng that slowly some of the silly rituals are going away. A certain point may come when they may accept Islam on thier own like in Malaysia and Indoneisa?? After all they are quite intelligent and logical.

The Zionist In Me #23 by m_souza on August 3, 2003 6:02pm PT

Wow we are lucky that we have among us the great thinker and logician the one who is formulating this radical far reaching doctrine of Logic callled M_souzalogy.


<< it is you who has this habit of highlighting the beatings given to Hindus>>

and where did you find me doing that?? in this post in the earlier hundereds of posts??

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So, you say you don’t believe ‘your’ ancestors were killed enmasse but you believe ‘my’ ancestors were.

And that is why you wrote:
#8 by ali87 on August 2, 2003 7:57am PT
”And what can you say about those who belive that their ancestors took such a beating that left millions/billions? dead and could not rise for 1000 years. Now no termites there are they??: “


This is the new science of reading english and decucting meanings from it called M_souzalogy . It is a bit difficult at first to grasp but a few visits to the chaddiwala camps and a bit of training on mind foucs at hanuman temples with the bajrang dal will improve ones abliltiy considerably. Of course if you are able to either participate in a gujarat like training programmes dircetly or indirectly by sending funds from US or if you are In India least you can do is vote for modi in the best democratic traditon, incase you cannot do that at least have your legisator suppourt him, If you cant do even that they post on Chowk ,that will greatly increase your capabiltiy to understand this new Doctrine of
M_souzalogy.

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IT was irrelevant of course that I was responding to your brother in arms. OF Offal fame..

<<#5 by jay on August 2, 2003 1:24am PT
The book is like a termite mound, it has its soldiers, it has its workers, it has its attendants to the queen. >>

Is he a zoologist?? He seems to be fixated on animals and insects!!

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Hmmmm...

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No this is not Opinated I declare that by proofs of M_Souzalogy it is not.

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Perhaps that is why you have left India (Scarelige!!! It should be Bharat, or Hindustaan.... NOOO.... not even that, even the hindu was given by those Arabs... We are Bharitya and Sanatani)and now are in English Speaking USA. Ahh what self sacrifice..

Please take the English Speaking Advani also with you... Pure Bharatiy language... now onwards.. Sanskirt?? yes only the Dalits should not dare to speak it. Perhaps you can throw them out too. With plumbing and commode why the hell does one need them anymore.

Im going to beat those teaching Japanese and German all those from those insurgent companies called Infosys, wipro..

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Obviously the basic creed of M_souzalogy is to love anyone anything that rejects Islam. By the way the other conclusion also comes from applying the doctrine of M_souzalogy to the fact that there are 12% muslims and they are attempting to force the 80% Hindoos to ``love Aurungzeb or ghazni ghauri babar…"

Now hitler used similar tactics against the minority jews. Are you sure that you did not get inspration for M_Souzalogy from Mein Kamf??

But not to worry dear souza

Allah is all forgiving and merciful. Except for Shirk he can pardon anything. Which is quite obvious. If a man does not belive then whom can he ask forgiveness? So belive and ask forgiveness and show repentence.

<<< but it is a very very complex religion, too punishing…unforgiving to its followers for even small everyday things……scary……and the heartless killings of animals every year to please God…not for me…....And outright discrimination towards the non-believers(kafirs)..and non-acceptance of any other religous form but Islam...(no other God but Allah)....all this makes it very opinionated religion...the cause of its current day troubles...>>

There is a Hadith which a man who admitted to robbing a grave and having sex with a corspe was told by the Prophet that if he repents then even that can be forgived.
Not for nothing He is called the Most mercifull.

Dont give the silly things about killing of animal. For people who killed 2000 and miamed thousands more in Gujrat you show plenty of concern for animals. More than half of the meat sold in India is eaten by Hindus. Muslims dont throw the sacrifical animal or offer it to Allah it is used for food.

and for discrimination is this why there are millons of coptics in Egypt even after 1400 years is this why the chirstians of jersualam who were safe for centuries under muslim rule were massacared by the invading crusaders? What about the jews who found refuge from europe? Non Acceptance of other religons... On one hand you claim that muslims mercilessy masaccared hindus then because Islam does not accept other religons then where did 800+ million hindus come from? Where did the Amrerian minority in Iraq come from? Had all these people gone to the moon and came back this century?

No god but Allah.... Surprise Surprise ... even the vedas say that there is only one creator, one who cant be described who has no end nor beginning... of course they then start speculationg on the nature of god..

The problem with mulitple god theory is who is better, powerful than the other. and who created them? Applying M_souzalogy wont help here. There will always come the question who is the ultimate creator.

and no Im not trying to convert you that task is yours. Im meerly telling you what is the truth...

The Zionist In Me #22 by arjun_m on August 3, 2003 5:22pm PT

:) I just like to make people think,

The Zionist In Me #26 by r.a.janjua on August 3, 2003 9:08pm PT

er what link??/

The Zionist In Me #24 by rsaxena on August 3, 2003 7:37pm PT
#27 by m_souza on August 3, 2003 9:42pm PT

Well I suppose that you are bored with burning and looting like in Gujrat and Delhi. Too much of a good thing can make you loose intrest isnt it??

Which is why your leader Bal Thakery said that he is going to form Hindu sucide squads. Now we know whom we can see on the list. By the way do you do it for free?? Or you make a will leaving your women to Bal Thakery?? but considering his age....

The Zionist In Me #18 by rsaxena on August 3, 2003 7:48am PT

LOL

Saxy I belive even Gandhi got his facts from Dalistan.org!!!

By the way nice logic. If there is anything to condemm your ancestors then it should be from wrong sources. By the way why does dalistan.org become anti hindu? Arent your hindutva peers screaming themselves hoarse that the dalits are hindus?

I can understand you Predictment but forgive me the laughter Im human too.

The Zionist In Me #17 by m_souza on August 3, 2003 0:29am PT

Your thinking is effected by emotion and illogic(ie you employ logic Illogicaly)

Of course Im not suggesting that emotion and Illogic is not persent in others but it is worth investagating our own once in a while.

First you hold as truth what you belive.

then you assume that I belive what you belive.

First off I do not belive that my ancesstors were mascarred enmasse. That is the main difference between you and me.

Of course Im not saying that there were wars were there and may be often unjust. After all there is only so much you can expect from kings which went against very basic injunctions of Islam.
Now by the other hand I can appreciate their achivements and not appreciate their worng deeds.
Thus I can appreciate my ancesstors who formulated the decimal system and zero and at least for some period of time excelled in Astronomy.
While at the same time Im sure they opressed or suppourted the oppression of Dalits or were indifferent to the oppression of the Dalits.
Similarly there were those who might have killed without just cause who may have been those among doing the killing of might have been either the hindu or the muslim and those among the killed might have been either the hindu or the muslim.

Probably all this gives you some kind of headaches. I can understand that feeling. Because you come from a thinking that one should be worshiping their ancesstors and many hindu do so in varying forms or the other.

Then there is the problem of knowing exactly who were your ancesstors. Can you calim with 100% accuracy that one or more among your ancesstors was/were not muslim? Looking at your belif of immense numbers of rape etc. One cant logically preclude this possiblity. And further considering that you calim that this rape pillage and oppression took place for centuries it is entirely posslble that for a particular person generation after generation could be result of such rapes. Now those who fathered such children would be ancesstors, isnt it? So if the atrocities were so great in number then at least a sizeable number should include at least one or more muslims in thier ancesstors.

Further considering that modern sciene which you and many other hindus accept that the apes were our ancesstors. Then considering that we see that apes fight, murder and even statch away mates of others. Then we should be pondering about the actions of our ancesstors. Then we could further go back to the ancesstors of the apes... and so on and so forth.

I however have no such problem. I can condemm my ancesstors for all their crimes and appreciate all their achivements.

Since I can do that I dont need to belive that all my ancesstors were right and pure or those who were were always right and did not commit any wrong. But since you feel the need to worship (in some form or the other)your ancesstors you have a need to deny the atrocities on the dalits. Not only that then it requrires you to demonise the other who were not your ancesstor.

Well such are the problems you face. Now if you were a muslim at least your religion would not requrire you to have such problems. Now dont you think it is a good idea to say that Shaddah??

The Zionist In Me m_souza LoL

Quite sensititive arent you!!??? If my grandfather converted they you feel hurt.. a few hundreds of years and still hurts... If your Grandfather was abusing the Dalits continously you did not feel any hurt.. I suppose that is left to the generations of the Dalits.

The Zionist In Me #12 by arjun_m on August 2, 2003 9:30am PT

Perhaps the editors feel the particular spelling is used is degratory..
That was not my intention.

Tolerating Sexuality #19 by plats8 on August 2, 2003 10:21am PT

well it could have been 3 or 5 or 6. but I suppose that really is not much of a point of debate. After all the quran asks for reasoning in arrival of belif and not to subject each and every injuction to this test. I think most are satisfied with the 4 number without any need to question its logic.

The Zionist In Me #5 by jay on August 2, 2003 1:24am PT

Funny jay baba I happened to meet 5 Iranis who were doing their PHD In petroleum technology. My Pakistani neighibour is a very senior Doctor never miss a prayer. One of the Directors of Broadcom at one time was a PHD from egypt another GM was from Iran my friend a hindoo told me how particualr they both were about prayers.

Apparently they were following some other book than the termite ridden one you are referring.
On the other had we can call those who are in 80+% majority to say that they are discriminated against in their country, That they fear the minoroty which is going to over take them soon in population. I suppose that they get enlightment by reading spanking new ebooks. And what can you say about those who belive that their ancesstors took such a beating that left millions/billions? dead and could not rise for 1000 years. Now no termites there are they??

Tolerating Sexuality #12 by plats8 on July 31, 2003 7:20pm PT

sure ever figured out what would happen if 4 men are frustrated because their wifey is pregrant? LOL not a agrument just pointing how the argument can go for Polyandry.

I agree handdogs doesnt constitue argument. Im not in a mood for length agurment I suspect you know what my position is..