Gandhi in The Handmaid’s Tale Behram
Another proof of universal hatered of Jews against Gandhi

David Ben-Gurion`s Negev

In David Ben Gurion`s bedroom, hangs a portrait of Mahatma Gandhi (the only picture in the room), under it is a plaque with Ben Gurion`s words:

``The moral strength of the East is perhaps embodied most of all in the great Indian leader Mahatma Gandhi, the outstanding man who is heading the war for independence and the weapon of this commander is non-violence.``

Gandhi in The Handmaid’s Tale Behram akalmand
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#152 by behram1 on October 4, 2005 8:22pm PT

Re: # 129

Dear Yasser,

I have high regards of your knowledge and understanding on these (Jinnah/Gandhi) debates. And that is why I would like to read your thoughts on why the Jews were so vehemently against Gandhi.

Some years ago, when the movie Gandhi came out in the US, one of my co-workers, a Jewish person, got me some reading materials (almost 23 pages long) that was totally anti-Gandhi. Today, I do not remember all the details of that article.

I remain curious to know the reasons behind this almost universal hatred of the Jews towards Gandhi.

Respectfully submitted,

Behram B. Atashband ``


I also wonder about same
Famous palestian muslim Simon Peres of Israel stated
When I ask him to nominate the world leader he most admires Peres cites Gandhi. ``I think there are two outstanding leaders in the last 2-300 years. There was Napoleon and there was Gandhi. One had the military strength and the other, the moral strength. Gandhi didn`t have armies, he didn`t have nations, he went to fight single handedly; naked with his moral conscience. And I think he did better than Napoleon did. So between the two, I believe that Gandhi exemplifies the future and Napoleon, the unfortunate past.``

Deadly Earthquake Is Edehi foundation registered somehwere in USA where checks can be sent?

Gandhi in The Handmaid’s Tale ZahraJ

You post deserves reposting..

``#703 by ZahraJ on October 8, 2005 9:09pm PT
This is the most stupid article published on Chowk. This also reflects the regressive mentality and thought process of certain Pakistanis who have nothing good to do but research on finding the good and bad in the leaders who have left this world way back.

What`s the gist of this nonsense? Gandhi did not treat women equally or consider them worthy of anything? Is the purpose to tell hindus on Chowk that their leader had weird policies towards women? Is it a cover-up to hide the bad publicity Pakistan is receiving on the treatment of its women folk?

The writer needs to wake up. Regarless of what Gandhi believed in and did to his wife, all Indian women and men do not follow the same thought process. Yes, the fact that Indian Culture kicks in every other thing is very true. I detest involving culture in my life barring a few items close to my heart - saints/sufis, shawls and select poetry.

Just recently, I attended a day long seminar in Chicago where over 100 South Asian Women Leaders were present. The participants included CTOs, attorneys, magistrates, physicians, engineers, business women, educationists and technologists. There were only 9-10 muslim women in that crowd. Out of those 9-10 muslim women, only 3-4 had Pakistani background. The rest were Indian muslims. None of the participants (mainly hindu women) had any issues in terms of where they were in their respective careers.

One of the panelists was a very impressive, articulate and brilliant woman in her 40s, the CTO of Motorola - a chemical engineer by background. Despite her international engagements, she was able to attend the event on a weekend just to show her solidarity with women from her part of the world. Not only that, the woman was dressed in a very pretty turquoise eastern dress with beautifully put together matching jewelry.

In my past 10 years or so in Corporate America, I have hardly worked with ikka dukka Indians here and there but I have never attended something like this before where so many ambitious and accomplished south asian women(mostly hindus) were under one roof. Interestingly, it was evident that they believed in having the cultural affinity. This was a very different environment for me. I am not into culture shulture at all and rarely attend any cultural stuff anymore. I did not see anyone wearing anything on her forehead with any complexes on how her leader, Gandhi Jee, thought of women. I had a strong impression that majority of the women took pride in being of Indian Origin regardless of their bygone leaders’ leanings.

Based on my 1st hand experience, I am not sure where is this writer coming from? Probably, she needs more worldly exposure. Worldly exposure does not come from being a cyber activist or flipping through history books.``

Gandhi in The Handmaid’s Tale Beej
Thanks for posting these pictures. Each of these is worth 1000 words and show gradual transformation of a common man to a ``mahatma``.

Thanks again

The Naked Fakir DM#192
Ok, and I understand that post.

When racist ``Mahatma``, rather than trying to save his own hindu race, was fasting in Calcutta trying to save ``muslims``, astute constitutionalists were instigating direct action days, and planning to become all powerful governor generals.

The Naked Fakir dost-mittar #144

``After reading these articles, I stick to what I said in my original post. It is quite clear that while Gandhi learnt of the large-scale slaughter of hindu men and their widows being forced to convert and marry their husbands` killers at Noakhali, he went back to Delhi without ameliorating the situation and then chose to go to Calcutta instead where he knew he had a better chance of ``STOPPING`` marauding hindus on rampage against hapless muslims. ``

DM
Now I am confused. Are you suggesting that Gandhi should have done something else to satisfy you of his credentials?
Please summarize what you said in your ``original`` post. There are too many of them.

The Naked Fakir DM#various
And in case you doubt other sources, here is an excerpt from Begum Suhrawardy herself

http://globalwebpost.com/farooqm/study_res/suhrawardy/joining_gandhi.html

And following is from dawn
http://www.dawn.com/2004/02/23/op.htm

Hope all these references satisfy your appetite.

The Naked Fakir DM#various
When has politics been free of religion? Is it free of religion in USA where church and pastor of current supreme court nominee is being discussed quite actively? Is it free of religion in UK, or even in Canada?

Of concern is when a politician has an exclusivist agenda based on religion. Gandhi emphasis was to include all. It was in stark contrast to that of Syed Ahmed Khan, Jinnah or Tilak.


You also asked questions about Noakhali
Here are some links for you
http://www.india-seminar.com/2002/510/510%20ashoka%20gupta-noakhali.htm
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0597/0194.html
http://www.rediff.com/freedom/gandhi.htm

Also read excerpts from Wolperts book at http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/w/wolpert-gandhi.html

Even Wolpert acknowledges who were the instigators of Noakhali (``the supreme leader``) who called for this direct action day. Do note contrast of the actions of these great leaders with what Gandhi did.

Do let me know if you need more info on Noakhali.

Sex and Pakistan vs. Rape and The World Media Wr.t.
#79 by faisaluno

``good to see indians being concerned about rape. now lets see how many indians are willing to let human right groups go into kashmr to document whats going on there?``

Wow! so we are back to ``root cause``. One has no right to care about woman rights, if Kashmir issue is not resolved..

Correct faisaluno?

Because He Couldn’t Get It Up! #60 Mantolives

``Only a person devoid of any self respect or an iota of integrity would choose to misconstrue my statement in this fashion. ``

haan haan munna beta, Mushy baba bhi yahi kehta hai!!

Because He Couldn’t Get It Up! Well done Manto mian
You added another one
4. Rape of women in Pakistan is justified because in American rapes their women more often. (Shree Yaseer Latif Hamdani ji)

Earlier three gems.
3. Rape of Pakistani women is justified because Turkish and Indians do so (Faisaluno ji)
2. You can have sex with a woman in Pakistan if she lets you enter her house (??)
1. Pakistani women get raped to make money and get Canadian Visa. (CEO, Pakistan)

Anyone else out there!!

Rape and Exploitation - Pakistan’s Dilemma To chowk staff
Your policing will make impact if rather than just stating `` This user has another valid Chowk Interactor id but is using a new id to harass other Interactors. Hence these comments will not be posted `` you also state user`s other interactor id.

Rape and Exploitation - Pakistan’s Dilemma Anil #144
``I also think that Musharaff is a sincere and professional soldier. He is neither a politician, nor a statesman``

Anil

Following is an extract from my companies corporate policy about sexual harrassment

Supervisors and other members of management who are aware of violations by others and fail to report such violations also will be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including suspension and termination of employment....

Employees will not suffer adverse consequences as a result of reporting any act of harassment, including sexual harassment. ``

Mushy has assumed supreme executive powers in his country. He calls himself ``CEO``. Not only that, his powers include judicial powers too. His comments clearly indicate who will get benefit of doubt if rapists are convicted by every court and finally come to him for appeal.

His comments are equivalent to a supreme court justice giving opinion on a matter being discussed by a lower court.

His comments are clearly in conflict of what his role demands.

A sincere and professional soldier knows his boundaries. Mushy`s repeated behavior shows that he is neither a professional soldier, nor a good CEO.

Rape and Exploitation - Pakistan’s Dilemma T-Saheb
Did you get up from wrong side of bed? Salim`s satire was a satire... Let us leave it at that. He says that he is changing his old ways. Let us keep watching him. There is nothing to be gained by asking for explanation about his old comments.

Regards

Rape and Exploitation - Pakistan’s Dilemma Salim
Kindly do not treat this as a feeding frenzy at Mushy`s expense. Mushy represents that environment in our communities where powerful always gets away with anything - whether it is rape of a woman or rape of principles.
It is everyone`s frustration coming out. It is also coming out with a hope that perhaps this time we can get a big guy to act properly and make corrections to our ``diseased`` system.

I am not chasing mushy because he is Pakistani. Mushy`s mirror images are in India too. Do you think anything positive can now happen to Sonia Naz? Even if a court now convicts the perpetrators, tomorrow another Sonia Naz will get raped.

This is a diseased system and a prime symbol of that system, Mushy is a reasonable target.