How green is their valley?
1. ``Can one be absolutely sure it’s a deliberate misrepresentation on the part of the author – not mere foolishness?``
I would have assumed it to be foolishness if it was limited to one or two articles. This lady has written 90 reports on chowk, and many more elsewhere. Her stance is same in all. And I will disagree with your suggestion that her ``foolishness`` should be permitted without anyone questioning her.
2. ``would you rather have a fighter who has independent views, and is not afraid to speak them, no matter how bright the spotlight ``
I would love to have fighters, but I would have fighters who fight for causes without any bias. This lady has shown biads in all her writings. Kargil happened and her complain was Indian army`s treament of captured Pakistani militia. Girls in Paris was asked to forgo burqa and this woman complaints about that. Bamiyan budhha are blown up and this woman suddenly starts comparing that to Babri. She skips facts where it suits her. This fighter does not have independent views. Here views are very much in alignment of a narrow faction.
3. ``Don’t you think that (even in her Civic Center type articles) aren’t there occasional moments of bright sunshine ``
Here I will agree with you.. But ``occasional moments`` are no reason for her to be allowed to go unchallenged. This article will soon be quoted by someone else as a gospel of truth.
Posted by
friend
Jul 31, 2005 08:53 am
My friend BJ#1981. ``Can one be absolutely sure it’s a deliberate misrepresentation on the part of the author – not mere foolishness?``
I would have assumed it to be foolishness if it was limited to one or two articles. This lady has written 90 reports on chowk, and many more elsewhere. Her stance is same in all. And I will disagree with your suggestion that her ``foolishness`` should be permitted without anyone questioning her.
2. ``would you rather have a fighter who has independent views, and is not afraid to speak them, no matter how bright the spotlight ``
I would love to have fighters, but I would have fighters who fight for causes without any bias. This lady has shown biads in all her writings. Kargil happened and her complain was Indian army`s treament of captured Pakistani militia. Girls in Paris was asked to forgo burqa and this woman complaints about that. Bamiyan budhha are blown up and this woman suddenly starts comparing that to Babri. She skips facts where it suits her. This fighter does not have independent views. Here views are very much in alignment of a narrow faction.
3. ``Don’t you think that (even in her Civic Center type articles) aren’t there occasional moments of bright sunshine ``
Here I will agree with you.. But ``occasional moments`` are no reason for her to be allowed to go unchallenged. This article will soon be quoted by someone else as a gospel of truth.
Pakistan’s Choice
Now can someone please tell us how/why a fresh BS from Rutgers University was made ``head of department of Economics`` in a ``permier Lahore school``? (is not that what Shri Yaseer Lateed Hamdani used to tell us?)
Does that indicate usual level of education teachers need in Pakistan to become head of departments?
No woder Godot has to write this article!
Posted by
friend
Jul 31, 2005 06:43 am
#136 & #132Now can someone please tell us how/why a fresh BS from Rutgers University was made ``head of department of Economics`` in a ``permier Lahore school``? (is not that what Shri Yaseer Lateed Hamdani used to tell us?)
Does that indicate usual level of education teachers need in Pakistan to become head of departments?
No woder Godot has to write this article!
How green is their valley?
Kindly read ``Chowk`s`` introduction for this woman in ``The Mandir Mirage`` .. ``Farzana Versey is a widely read and respected author and columnist in India. She is particularly famous for her extremist and anti-establishment views.
At another site she describes herself as ``Farzana Versey is a freelance writer. Her work appears on Chowk, Rediff and Midday.``
I agree that banning anyone is not correct action. However, setting record straight is what I want. This woman has all rights to her views. But when she says that her views are based on facts, I will like to challenge her.
These lies, if left unchallenged, may get taken as future references by others. An example is her use of that spurious statistics from kashmiris.org, a site funded by Islamabad. Now someone will try to quote Farzana VErsey on Chowk and slowly those number will acquire a legitimacy.
This lady quote Chittisinghpora and says why there is no enquiry. My question is whose enquiry will she believe? She has no faith in enquiries made by Indian Government, or by anyone who is not muslim. Even among muslim she has no faith in anyone whose report will not conform to her conclusion. There was a report on this incident from ``Barry Bearak`` of NYTimes on Dec 31, 2000. Would she care to read that and report why she doesn`t agree?
She is part of a vicious circle of rumor-mongers who feed on each other.
Posted by
friend
Jul 31, 2005 06:13 am
BJ janab#193Kindly read ``Chowk`s`` introduction for this woman in ``The Mandir Mirage`` .. ``Farzana Versey is a widely read and respected author and columnist in India. She is particularly famous for her extremist and anti-establishment views.
At another site she describes herself as ``Farzana Versey is a freelance writer. Her work appears on Chowk, Rediff and Midday.``
I agree that banning anyone is not correct action. However, setting record straight is what I want. This woman has all rights to her views. But when she says that her views are based on facts, I will like to challenge her.
These lies, if left unchallenged, may get taken as future references by others. An example is her use of that spurious statistics from kashmiris.org, a site funded by Islamabad. Now someone will try to quote Farzana VErsey on Chowk and slowly those number will acquire a legitimacy.
This lady quote Chittisinghpora and says why there is no enquiry. My question is whose enquiry will she believe? She has no faith in enquiries made by Indian Government, or by anyone who is not muslim. Even among muslim she has no faith in anyone whose report will not conform to her conclusion. There was a report on this incident from ``Barry Bearak`` of NYTimes on Dec 31, 2000. Would she care to read that and report why she doesn`t agree?
She is part of a vicious circle of rumor-mongers who feed on each other.
How green is their valley?
Opinion are one thing. Claiming that opinions are based on facts is another thing. This lady claims to be a journalist. She also claims that what she write is based on facts.
Now in this article she described several facts as she saw them. I am questioning those facts. Her whole premise is based on those facts. If those facts are questioned than either she should set record straight or admit that her premise is wrong.
If you cared to notice, she has written 90 articles (stories..) for chowk. Read her story on Mumbai blasts. That sotry came within 10 hours of blasts. And conclusion of that story was that BJP had planned those blasts for getting votes.
Journalism should be based on facts. Otherwise she should call her write-ups a story, and put a disclaimer at the end stating that.
Posted by
friend
Jul 30, 2005 08:33 pm
Janitor saheb #191Opinion are one thing. Claiming that opinions are based on facts is another thing. This lady claims to be a journalist. She also claims that what she write is based on facts.
Now in this article she described several facts as she saw them. I am questioning those facts. Her whole premise is based on those facts. If those facts are questioned than either she should set record straight or admit that her premise is wrong.
If you cared to notice, she has written 90 articles (stories..) for chowk. Read her story on Mumbai blasts. That sotry came within 10 hours of blasts. And conclusion of that story was that BJP had planned those blasts for getting votes.
Journalism should be based on facts. Otherwise she should call her write-ups a story, and put a disclaimer at the end stating that.
Pakistan’s Choice
What is illuminating in these interacts between our Pakistani friends in type of discussion that happens in Economics classes in Pakistan.
Should one believe in Eid? Or can say his namaaz in English?
Wow! great head of departments and students of Economics!!
Posted by
friend
Jul 30, 2005 04:01 pm
#35, #115, #118 & #120What is illuminating in these interacts between our Pakistani friends in type of discussion that happens in Economics classes in Pakistan.
Should one believe in Eid? Or can say his namaaz in English?
Wow! great head of departments and students of Economics!!
How green is their valley?
Why should this calamity be holding her from responding?
Posted by
friend
Jul 30, 2005 03:36 pm
This author spitted out an article on chowk almost 110 hours after Mumbai blasts. She was equally prompt after Ayodhya, and Akshardham. Why should this calamity be holding her from responding?
Pakistan’s Choice
Wow! so this was respect for Yaseer among his students!! No wonder he was kicked out of his teaching job.
Posted by
friend
Jul 30, 2005 08:44 am
#115 & #35Wow! so this was respect for Yaseer among his students!! No wonder he was kicked out of his teaching job.
Recent Terror in Egypt
#73
Jinnah ``was quite cordial to his son in law even if distant and formal``
My tummy hurts.. This guy is a joker.
Posted by
friend
Jul 29, 2005 10:23 am
hu-ha-ha-ha-ha#73
Jinnah ``was quite cordial to his son in law even if distant and formal``
My tummy hurts.. This guy is a joker.
Recent Terror in Egypt
Posted by
friend
Jul 29, 2005 09:57 am
When should Hindu be ashamed!!
Recent Terror in Egypt
``Atleast get your facts straight...Dina Wadia married Nusli Wadia``
My tummy hurts...
Posted by
friend
Jul 29, 2005 09:48 am
b-hu-ha-ha-ha-ha``Atleast get your facts straight...Dina Wadia married Nusli Wadia``
My tummy hurts...
Pakistan’s Choice
How cute!! He got you your country? We have his biggest supporter (lover?) on chowk screaming his lungs out that Jinnah didn`t want partition, it was forced on him by Nehru. So it is Nehru who got you your country. Call him Quaid-i-azam. Jinnah was a failure. Recognize that.
Posted by
friend
Jul 29, 2005 09:47 am
AllyHow cute!! He got you your country? We have his biggest supporter (lover?) on chowk screaming his lungs out that Jinnah didn`t want partition, it was forced on him by Nehru. So it is Nehru who got you your country. Call him Quaid-i-azam. Jinnah was a failure. Recognize that.
Recent Terror in Egypt
As I advised earlier ``Jinnah kaa pakad ke latak jaa! Gadhe, mar gaya woh 57 saal pehle``u
Major party that spawned Taliban!! Where is biggest party, Pakistani army, you idiot?
Posted by
friend
Jul 29, 2005 09:31 am
Yaseer #54As I advised earlier ``Jinnah kaa pakad ke latak jaa! Gadhe, mar gaya woh 57 saal pehle``u
Major party that spawned Taliban!! Where is biggest party, Pakistani army, you idiot?
Pakistan’s Choice
Pakistani katloos should have named Nehru as their Qaid-e-azam. After all Jinnah failed them in getting desired settlement. Nehru forced partition and resultant vacuum on them and ``Whatever our failures, many of us wouldn`t be here had it not been for the vacuum that we filled after 1947. ``
Jinnah was failure and should be recognized as such.
Posted by
friend
Jul 29, 2005 09:28 am
Sishapa#69Pakistani katloos should have named Nehru as their Qaid-e-azam. After all Jinnah failed them in getting desired settlement. Nehru forced partition and resultant vacuum on them and ``Whatever our failures, many of us wouldn`t be here had it not been for the vacuum that we filled after 1947. ``
Jinnah was failure and should be recognized as such.
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Pakistani state is committing terrorist actions in NWFP and tribal areas, it has denied its people their unalienable rights of voting. All of its elections have beed farce. It is hijacking the resources of Pakistani people and is committing crimes against humanity....
Am I incorrect?
Posted by
friend
Jul 28, 2005 02:36 pm
Haroonellahi#16Pakistani state is committing terrorist actions in NWFP and tribal areas, it has denied its people their unalienable rights of voting. All of its elections have beed farce. It is hijacking the resources of Pakistani people and is committing crimes against humanity....
Am I incorrect?
How green is their valley?
No I am not from that part of Himalayas. But I have been to Kashmir enough times, and have been with Kashmiris enough times to know places and people.
I have been to chota Pakistan and sopore.
Posted by
friend
Jul 28, 2005 12:40 pm
Kaalchakra #175No I am not from that part of Himalayas. But I have been to Kashmir enough times, and have been with Kashmiris enough times to know places and people.
I have been to chota Pakistan and sopore.
How green is their valley?
Let her go to Kashmir, pretending to be a hindu woman, live there for few months and than report her experiences back to us. It would be even better if she can try to live in Sopore or Lal chowk.
Posted by
friend
Jul 28, 2005 11:01 am
Farzana`s advise to Pandits is that they should stay in Valley and face terrorism heads-on. I have another better advice for her.Let her go to Kashmir, pretending to be a hindu woman, live there for few months and than report her experiences back to us. It would be even better if she can try to live in Sopore or Lal chowk.
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