The Place of Debate
[By destroying the temples of Lat and Manat?]
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Kaaba was built by the Patriarch prophet Hazrat Ibrahim(Aws).It was built precisely as a revolution against idol-worship.
The Laat,Manaat,Uzza and even an idol of Allah were few of the 360 idols which had crept into kaaba over so many centuries.Our Nabee(sws) simply returned the precincts of kaaba to its original purpose & glory.
Hinduism or rather Vedanta is a monotheistic faith.As we witness idol-worship has now almost become synonymous with this great religion.In fact,if you really reflect there are very few societies in the world today who have retained idol-worship & accompanaying superstitions to such instituitionalised level.
In fact Iqbal has written that the world heard about monotheism for the very first time from the heartland of Hind:(vahdat al vujood as opposed to vahdat al shahood)
``Vahdat kee lai sunee thhee,dunyaa ney jis makaan sey
Meer e arab ko aayee,thhandee havaa jahaan sey
----meraa vatan vohee hai,meraa vataan vohee hey``
The second line is in reference to the hadith attributed to my beloved Nabee(sws) when he said that he really enjoys the cool monsoon breeze from Hind.Meer e arab means the Leader of Arabs.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 7, 2002 11:04 pm
dost-mittar---112[By destroying the temples of Lat and Manat?]
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Kaaba was built by the Patriarch prophet Hazrat Ibrahim(Aws).It was built precisely as a revolution against idol-worship.
The Laat,Manaat,Uzza and even an idol of Allah were few of the 360 idols which had crept into kaaba over so many centuries.Our Nabee(sws) simply returned the precincts of kaaba to its original purpose & glory.
Hinduism or rather Vedanta is a monotheistic faith.As we witness idol-worship has now almost become synonymous with this great religion.In fact,if you really reflect there are very few societies in the world today who have retained idol-worship & accompanaying superstitions to such instituitionalised level.
In fact Iqbal has written that the world heard about monotheism for the very first time from the heartland of Hind:(vahdat al vujood as opposed to vahdat al shahood)
``Vahdat kee lai sunee thhee,dunyaa ney jis makaan sey
Meer e arab ko aayee,thhandee havaa jahaan sey
----meraa vatan vohee hai,meraa vataan vohee hey``
The second line is in reference to the hadith attributed to my beloved Nabee(sws) when he said that he really enjoys the cool monsoon breeze from Hind.Meer e arab means the Leader of Arabs.
Baajoo Kee Gulley (The Side Lane)
Thank you.
``poochtaayn hain voh key ghalib kaun hai
koee butlao,keh hum butlain kyaa``
tr:They enquire who is this Ghalib
Someone tell(me),what should I say.--;)
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Freethinker---2
I am envious of you sir.Please tell us more of that occasion.
I never ever as much as attended a mushaira back home.That is how much I was in awe of those who knew literary Urdu & in contemt of myself to be not worthy enough for such gatherings.Later on,I discovered that I was not entirely right on both counts.
Hamid Jalaal in his article,``Manto Mamoon kee maut``,written shortly after Mantos death,vividly describes the last moments.When he was about to breath his last a full bottle was emptied in his throat to give him the final comfort.Most of the sketches about his Bombay days were written as cheques for a couple of bottles only as payment.
AAysha Jalaal(YLH where are you) is perhaps the daughter or niece of Hamid Jalaal.
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Kim--3
And what led you to belieeve that?I know,I know but then please uderstand that everything has its time & place.
``Aye shakhs agar Josh ko too dhoondnaa chahay
Voh pichhlay pehr hulqua e irfaan mein milay gaa.
Aur subh o ko voh ----::------nazzara e qudrat
tarf e chaman o sehn e gulistaan mein milay gaa
aur shaam ko vo --sargushta e asraar o maani
buzme turub o sohbat e rindaan mein milay gaa
aur raat ko vo -----::------kaakul o rukhsaar
aghosh e --::---- koocha e khooban mein milay gaa``
(---::--- words I cannot recall now,very frustrating but I hope the intent is conveyed)
Many more would be ``surprised`` as well,but then masjid & maikhaana have their own utility.....:)
(This is all metaphorical,please do not take it literally---or maybe not;).
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Subroto--4
True.
And thank you very much for referring me to that site.I subscribed to the annual of urdu studies at one time.Maybe I`ll renew it.It is a great way to begin the nostalgic odyssey.Umar Memon is doing a yeoman service in this regard.
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temporal---5
Thanks for this tidbit.Did you have a chance to visit this house?
I hope through inter-acts we could re-introduce him a little more.It was not easy for me to repress the urge to outpour details.It would all depend on the interest expressed here.
Please write about some of his stories,with an appreciative angle--rather than as a ``critique``;).
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Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 7, 2002 12:09 pm
Umer Murtaza--1Thank you.
``poochtaayn hain voh key ghalib kaun hai
koee butlao,keh hum butlain kyaa``
tr:They enquire who is this Ghalib
Someone tell(me),what should I say.--;)
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Freethinker---2
I am envious of you sir.Please tell us more of that occasion.
I never ever as much as attended a mushaira back home.That is how much I was in awe of those who knew literary Urdu & in contemt of myself to be not worthy enough for such gatherings.Later on,I discovered that I was not entirely right on both counts.
Hamid Jalaal in his article,``Manto Mamoon kee maut``,written shortly after Mantos death,vividly describes the last moments.When he was about to breath his last a full bottle was emptied in his throat to give him the final comfort.Most of the sketches about his Bombay days were written as cheques for a couple of bottles only as payment.
AAysha Jalaal(YLH where are you) is perhaps the daughter or niece of Hamid Jalaal.
__________________________.
Kim--3
And what led you to belieeve that?I know,I know but then please uderstand that everything has its time & place.
``Aye shakhs agar Josh ko too dhoondnaa chahay
Voh pichhlay pehr hulqua e irfaan mein milay gaa.
Aur subh o ko voh ----::------nazzara e qudrat
tarf e chaman o sehn e gulistaan mein milay gaa
aur shaam ko vo --sargushta e asraar o maani
buzme turub o sohbat e rindaan mein milay gaa
aur raat ko vo -----::------kaakul o rukhsaar
aghosh e --::---- koocha e khooban mein milay gaa``
(---::--- words I cannot recall now,very frustrating but I hope the intent is conveyed)
Many more would be ``surprised`` as well,but then masjid & maikhaana have their own utility.....:)
(This is all metaphorical,please do not take it literally---or maybe not;).
_______________________.
Subroto--4
True.
And thank you very much for referring me to that site.I subscribed to the annual of urdu studies at one time.Maybe I`ll renew it.It is a great way to begin the nostalgic odyssey.Umar Memon is doing a yeoman service in this regard.
____________________________.
temporal---5
Thanks for this tidbit.Did you have a chance to visit this house?
I hope through inter-acts we could re-introduce him a little more.It was not easy for me to repress the urge to outpour details.It would all depend on the interest expressed here.
Please write about some of his stories,with an appreciative angle--rather than as a ``critique``;).
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The Place of Debate
One should always remember that life under feudallords & mafiosis is great for those who continue to bolster the fiefdom.The families of the Godfathers,Landfeudals,Bankfeudals,UniformedFeudals,& BureauFeudals are very happy to see the loyal-servant bringing home the haraam earnings.
Most of those who have become ``different`` than workers & toilers happen to write on CHOWK(myself included)...are a product of such cultural aparthie-ism.(With profuse apologies to the odd halaalee here).
Trite & Cliched as it might sound but it never loses the punch whenver uttered because it shakes the foundation below the ground of his/her feet.
``I`ve met the enemy and it is me(us)``.
_________________________________________________
IS THERE A US COMMITMENT TO INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION?
Rogue Nation - Richard Du Boff
1. In December 2001, the United States officially withdrew from the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first time in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord.
2. 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention ratified by 144 nations including the United States. In July 2001 the US walked out of a London conference to discuss a 1994 protocol designed to strengthen the Convention by providing for
on-site inspections. At Geneva in November 2001, US Undersecretary of State John Bolton stated that ``the protocol
is dead,`` at the same time accusing Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya, Sudan, and Syria of violating the Convention but offering no specific allegations or supporting evidence.
3. UN Agreement to Curb the International Flow of Illicit Small Arms, July 2001: the US was the only nation to oppose it.
4. April 2001, the US was not reelected to the UN Human Rights Commission, after years of withholding dues to the UN (including current dues of $244 million)-and after having forced the UN to lower its share of the UN budget from 25 to 22 percent. (In the Human Rights Commission, the US stood virtually alone in opposing resolutions supporting lower-cost
access to HIV/AIDS drugs, acknowledging a basic human right to adequate food, and calling for a moratorium on the death penalty.)
5. International Criminal Court (ICC) Treaty, to be set up in The Hague to try political leaders and military personnel charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Signed in Rome in July 1998, the Treaty was approved by 120 countries, with 7 opposed (including the US). In October 2001 Great Britain became the 42nd nation to sign. In December 2001 the
US Senate again added an amendment to a military appropriations bill that would keep US military personnel from obeying
the jurisdiction of the proposed ICC. [In fact advocating use of force to ``rescue`` Americans charged with war crimes - RR]
6. Land Mine Treaty, banning land mines; signed in Ottawa in December 1997 by 122 nations. The United States refused to sign, along with Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Egypt, and Turkey. President Clinton rejected the Treaty, claiming that mines were needed to protect South Korea against North Korea`s overwhelming military advantage.`` He stated that the US would ``eventually`` comply, in 2006; this was disavowed by President Bush in August 2001.
7. Kyoto Protocol of 1997, for controlling global warming: declared ``dead`` by President Bush in March 2001. In November 2001, the Bush administration shunned negotiations in Marrakech (Morocco) to revise the accord, mainly by watering it down in a vain attempt to gain US approval.
8. In May 2001, refused to meet with European Union nations to discuss, even at lower levels of government, economic espionage and electronic surveillance of phone calls, e-mail, and faxes (the US ``Echelon`` program).
9. Refused to participate in Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)-sponsored talks in Paris, May 2001, on ways to crack down on off-shore and other tax and money-laundering havens.
10. Refused to join 123 nations pledged to ban the use and production of anti-personnel bombs and mines, February 2001.
11. September 2001: withdrew from International Conference on Racism, bringing together 163 countries in Durban, South Africa
12. International Plan for Cleaner Energy: G-8 group of industrial nations (US, Canada, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, UK), July 2001: the US was the only one to oppose it.
13. Enforcing an illegal boycott of Cuba, now being made tighter. In the UN in October 2001, the General Assembly
passed a resolution, for the tenth consecutive year, calling for an end to the US embargo, by a vote of 167 to 3 (the US, Israel, and the Marshall Islands in opposition).
14. Comprehensive [Nuclear] Test Ban Treaty. Signed by 164 nations and ratified by 89 including France, Great Britain, and Russia; signed by President Clinton in 1996 but rejected by the Senate in 1999. The US is one of 13 nonratifiers among countries that have nuclear weapons or nuclear power programs. In November 2001, the US forced a vote in the UN
Committee on Disarmament and Security to demonstrate its opposition to the Test Ban Treaty.
15. In 1986 the International Court of Justice (The Hague) ruled that the US was in violation of international law for ``unlawful use of force`` in Nicaragua, through its actions and those of its Contra proxy army. The US refused to recognize the Court`s jurisdiction. A UN resolution calling for compliance with the Court`s decision was approved 94-2 (US and Israel voting no).
16. In 1984 the US quit UNESCO (UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) and ceased its payments for UNESCO`s budget, over the New World Information and Communication Order (NWICO) project designed to
lessen world media dependence on the ``big four`` wire agencies (AP, UPI, Agence France-Presse, Reuters). The US charged UNESCO with ``curtailment of press freedom,`` as well as mismanagement and other faults, despite a 148-1 in vote in favor of NWICO in the UN. UNESCO terminated NWICO in 1989; the US nonetheless refused to rejoin. In 1995 the Clinton
administration proposed rejoining; the move was blocked in Congress and Clinton did not press the issue. In February 2000 the US finally paid some of its arrears to the UN but excluded UNESCO, which the US has not rejoined.
17. Optional Protocol, 1989, to the UN`s International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, aimed at abolition of the death penalty and containing a provision banning the execution of those under 18. The US has neither signed nor ratified and specifically exempts itself from the latter provision, making it one of five countries that still execute juveniles (with Saudi
Arabia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria). China abolished the practice in 1997, Pakistan in 2000.
18. 1979 UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women. The only countries that have signed but not ratified are the US, Afghanistan, Sao Tome and Principe.
19. The US has signed but not ratified the 1989 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which protects the economic and social rights of children. The only other country not to ratify is Somalia, which has no functioning government.
20. UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, 1966, covering a wide range of rights and monitored by the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. The US signed in 1977 but has not ratified.
21. UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 1948. The US finally ratified in 1988, adding several ``reservations`` to the effect that the US Constitution and the ``advice and consent`` of the Senate are required to judge whether any ``acts in the course of armed conflict`` constitute genocide. The reservations are rejected by Britain, Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain, Greece, Mexico, Estonia, and others.
22. Is the status of ``we`re number one!`` Rogue overcome by generous foreign aid to given less fortunate countries? The three best aid providers, measured by the foreign aid percentage of their gross domestic products, are Denmark (1.01%), Norway (0.91%), and the Netherlands (0.79), The three worst: USA (0.10%), UK (0.23%), Australia, Portugal, and Austria (all
0.26).
rbd / 19 Dec 01
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 6, 2002 12:50 pm
Debate?what debate?---First determine the grand achievements of a paragon of secularism(``In God we trust``) & ``All power rests with the Almighty``(preamble).One should always remember that life under feudallords & mafiosis is great for those who continue to bolster the fiefdom.The families of the Godfathers,Landfeudals,Bankfeudals,UniformedFeudals,& BureauFeudals are very happy to see the loyal-servant bringing home the haraam earnings.
Most of those who have become ``different`` than workers & toilers happen to write on CHOWK(myself included)...are a product of such cultural aparthie-ism.(With profuse apologies to the odd halaalee here).
Trite & Cliched as it might sound but it never loses the punch whenver uttered because it shakes the foundation below the ground of his/her feet.
``I`ve met the enemy and it is me(us)``.
_________________________________________________
IS THERE A US COMMITMENT TO INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION?
Rogue Nation - Richard Du Boff
1. In December 2001, the United States officially withdrew from the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first time in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord.
2. 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention ratified by 144 nations including the United States. In July 2001 the US walked out of a London conference to discuss a 1994 protocol designed to strengthen the Convention by providing for
on-site inspections. At Geneva in November 2001, US Undersecretary of State John Bolton stated that ``the protocol
is dead,`` at the same time accusing Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya, Sudan, and Syria of violating the Convention but offering no specific allegations or supporting evidence.
3. UN Agreement to Curb the International Flow of Illicit Small Arms, July 2001: the US was the only nation to oppose it.
4. April 2001, the US was not reelected to the UN Human Rights Commission, after years of withholding dues to the UN (including current dues of $244 million)-and after having forced the UN to lower its share of the UN budget from 25 to 22 percent. (In the Human Rights Commission, the US stood virtually alone in opposing resolutions supporting lower-cost
access to HIV/AIDS drugs, acknowledging a basic human right to adequate food, and calling for a moratorium on the death penalty.)
5. International Criminal Court (ICC) Treaty, to be set up in The Hague to try political leaders and military personnel charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Signed in Rome in July 1998, the Treaty was approved by 120 countries, with 7 opposed (including the US). In October 2001 Great Britain became the 42nd nation to sign. In December 2001 the
US Senate again added an amendment to a military appropriations bill that would keep US military personnel from obeying
the jurisdiction of the proposed ICC. [In fact advocating use of force to ``rescue`` Americans charged with war crimes - RR]
6. Land Mine Treaty, banning land mines; signed in Ottawa in December 1997 by 122 nations. The United States refused to sign, along with Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Egypt, and Turkey. President Clinton rejected the Treaty, claiming that mines were needed to protect South Korea against North Korea`s overwhelming military advantage.`` He stated that the US would ``eventually`` comply, in 2006; this was disavowed by President Bush in August 2001.
7. Kyoto Protocol of 1997, for controlling global warming: declared ``dead`` by President Bush in March 2001. In November 2001, the Bush administration shunned negotiations in Marrakech (Morocco) to revise the accord, mainly by watering it down in a vain attempt to gain US approval.
8. In May 2001, refused to meet with European Union nations to discuss, even at lower levels of government, economic espionage and electronic surveillance of phone calls, e-mail, and faxes (the US ``Echelon`` program).
9. Refused to participate in Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)-sponsored talks in Paris, May 2001, on ways to crack down on off-shore and other tax and money-laundering havens.
10. Refused to join 123 nations pledged to ban the use and production of anti-personnel bombs and mines, February 2001.
11. September 2001: withdrew from International Conference on Racism, bringing together 163 countries in Durban, South Africa
12. International Plan for Cleaner Energy: G-8 group of industrial nations (US, Canada, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, UK), July 2001: the US was the only one to oppose it.
13. Enforcing an illegal boycott of Cuba, now being made tighter. In the UN in October 2001, the General Assembly
passed a resolution, for the tenth consecutive year, calling for an end to the US embargo, by a vote of 167 to 3 (the US, Israel, and the Marshall Islands in opposition).
14. Comprehensive [Nuclear] Test Ban Treaty. Signed by 164 nations and ratified by 89 including France, Great Britain, and Russia; signed by President Clinton in 1996 but rejected by the Senate in 1999. The US is one of 13 nonratifiers among countries that have nuclear weapons or nuclear power programs. In November 2001, the US forced a vote in the UN
Committee on Disarmament and Security to demonstrate its opposition to the Test Ban Treaty.
15. In 1986 the International Court of Justice (The Hague) ruled that the US was in violation of international law for ``unlawful use of force`` in Nicaragua, through its actions and those of its Contra proxy army. The US refused to recognize the Court`s jurisdiction. A UN resolution calling for compliance with the Court`s decision was approved 94-2 (US and Israel voting no).
16. In 1984 the US quit UNESCO (UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) and ceased its payments for UNESCO`s budget, over the New World Information and Communication Order (NWICO) project designed to
lessen world media dependence on the ``big four`` wire agencies (AP, UPI, Agence France-Presse, Reuters). The US charged UNESCO with ``curtailment of press freedom,`` as well as mismanagement and other faults, despite a 148-1 in vote in favor of NWICO in the UN. UNESCO terminated NWICO in 1989; the US nonetheless refused to rejoin. In 1995 the Clinton
administration proposed rejoining; the move was blocked in Congress and Clinton did not press the issue. In February 2000 the US finally paid some of its arrears to the UN but excluded UNESCO, which the US has not rejoined.
17. Optional Protocol, 1989, to the UN`s International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, aimed at abolition of the death penalty and containing a provision banning the execution of those under 18. The US has neither signed nor ratified and specifically exempts itself from the latter provision, making it one of five countries that still execute juveniles (with Saudi
Arabia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria). China abolished the practice in 1997, Pakistan in 2000.
18. 1979 UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women. The only countries that have signed but not ratified are the US, Afghanistan, Sao Tome and Principe.
19. The US has signed but not ratified the 1989 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which protects the economic and social rights of children. The only other country not to ratify is Somalia, which has no functioning government.
20. UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, 1966, covering a wide range of rights and monitored by the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. The US signed in 1977 but has not ratified.
21. UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 1948. The US finally ratified in 1988, adding several ``reservations`` to the effect that the US Constitution and the ``advice and consent`` of the Senate are required to judge whether any ``acts in the course of armed conflict`` constitute genocide. The reservations are rejected by Britain, Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain, Greece, Mexico, Estonia, and others.
22. Is the status of ``we`re number one!`` Rogue overcome by generous foreign aid to given less fortunate countries? The three best aid providers, measured by the foreign aid percentage of their gross domestic products, are Denmark (1.01%), Norway (0.91%), and the Netherlands (0.79), The three worst: USA (0.10%), UK (0.23%), Australia, Portugal, and Austria (all
0.26).
rbd / 19 Dec 01
The Place of Debate
[It was not just jaziya, even the taxes, e.g., the tax on salt was more on a non-Muslim than on a Muslim under the Mughals.]
Did you find it in Aeen e akbari? Did Todar Mal(the Revenue Minister of Akbar said that),or is it a bad joke which even Beerbul couldn`t coin.
The land registry & revenue system which is still the ancestor of the present day IRS evolved during Muslim(not mughal)rule everywhere.History is always hidden in terminologies & word-roots.No lousy,living on salary,butt-kisser english phD/graduate can undo that.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 5, 2002 08:23 pm
Macgupta---45[It was not just jaziya, even the taxes, e.g., the tax on salt was more on a non-Muslim than on a Muslim under the Mughals.]
Did you find it in Aeen e akbari? Did Todar Mal(the Revenue Minister of Akbar said that),or is it a bad joke which even Beerbul couldn`t coin.
The land registry & revenue system which is still the ancestor of the present day IRS evolved during Muslim(not mughal)rule everywhere.History is always hidden in terminologies & word-roots.No lousy,living on salary,butt-kisser english phD/graduate can undo that.
The Place of Debate
Spoken like a true muslim.
AAmir:
What this buffoon,Tariq Ali,should know that he is talking about /A secular history of MUSLIMS and not that of Islam.The very sentence is an anamoly.What else ca one expect from an oxford jahil---like father/like son.
Maulana Maudoodi has already distiguished very clearly between Khilafat & Mulookyiat.
The zindeeq & murtid Tariq Ali,who still is fancying himself to be buried as a muslim should have the courage to anounce in public meetings & press that he is mardood e Islam.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 5, 2002 07:44 pm
Urstruly----36Spoken like a true muslim.
AAmir:
What this buffoon,Tariq Ali,should know that he is talking about /A secular history of MUSLIMS and not that of Islam.The very sentence is an anamoly.What else ca one expect from an oxford jahil---like father/like son.
Maulana Maudoodi has already distiguished very clearly between Khilafat & Mulookyiat.
The zindeeq & murtid Tariq Ali,who still is fancying himself to be buried as a muslim should have the courage to anounce in public meetings & press that he is mardood e Islam.
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CANADIAN TV AIRS EMPEROR`S CLOTHES `GUILTY FOR 9-11` EVIDENCE!
by John Flaherty
[Posted 5 February 2001]
For the first time material from Emperor`s Clothes series `GUILTY FOR 9-11` has appeared on a network TV show.
The program was ``The Great Deception``. (1) It aired Jan. 28 on the Insight Mediafile at Vision TV, a network with 2 million distinct viewers a week. Vision programs are seen across Canada and can reach from 100 to 150,000 people.
Hosted by Barrie Zwicker, the program used research and material from `GUILTY FOR 9-11, Section 1`, the `Update to Section 1, and `Section 2` or `Cheney`s Cover Story.` (1a)
After watching the program, Emperor`s Clothes Editor Chris Black contacted Barrie Zwicker to congratulate him for taking this brave step.
Mr. Zwicker wrote back:
[Letter begins here]
Dear Christopher Black:
What a joyful surprise to receive your e-mail.
Amidst the avalanche of e-mail I`m trying to cope with, I want to respond immediately to yours.
I discovered www.emperors-clothes.com I don`t know how long, maybe well over a year, ago. I learned to trust it. I have been educated and nurtured by it. And increasingly, inspired.
So for me to receive your e-mail was a complete and genuine and gratifying surprise. I do not consider myself to be in your league as to investigative journalism.
I was suspicious about the 9/11 thing from the outset. For me to be the first, apparently, to ask these questions on air is ridiculous. Big media should have done it already.
[Regarding the information on Andrews Air Force base] really, there must be thousands of people who have first- or second-hand knowledge of complicity. Just take the number of people who live on Andrews AFB who know their interceptors stayed put until too late. I don`t think they can keep the lid on this for much longer.
Thank you, Christopher, Israel and the rest, for your wonderful work all along.
Gotta run. I hope to be in touch again. In peace and networking for light.
Barrie Zwicker,
A producer and host
The MediaFile
[LETTER ENDS HERE]
Here`s the transcript of the part of the TV show based on Emperor`s Clothes research:
[START EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT] (2)
``For large scheduled aircraft, tracked throughout on radar, to depart extravagantly from their flight paths, would trigger numerous calls to the military, especially after two have hit the World Trade Centre and now one is speeding toward Washington, D.C.
``It flies over the White House, turns sharply and heads toward the Pentagon. Everyone - and I mean everyone - now knows these planes are very bad news. It`s been reported on all TV networks for more than half an hour that this is a terrorist attack.
``Now, Andrews Air Force Base is a huge installation. It`s home to Air Force One, the President`s plane. It`s home base for two combat-ready squadrons of jet interceptors mandated to ensure the safety of the U.S. capital. Andrews is only 12 miles from the White House. (3)
``On September 11th the squadrons there were: The 121st Fighter Squadron of the 113th Fighter Wing, equipped with F-16s The 321st Marine Fighter Attack Squadron of the 49th Marine Air Group, Detachment A, equipped F/A-18s (4)
``This information was on the website of the base on September 11th. On September 12th, Andrews chose to update its website. I find it odd that after the update there`s no mention of the F-16 and F-18 fighters. The base becomes, according to the website, home to a transport squadron only. (5)
``Yet at 6:30 the evening of September 11th NBC Nightly News, along with many outlets, reported:
```It was after the attack on the Pentagon that the Air Force then decided to scramble F-16s out of the DC National Guard Andrews Air Force Base to fly ... a protective cover over Washington, D.C.` (5a)
``Throughout the northeastern United States are many air bases. But that morning no interceptors respond in a timely fashion to the highest alert situation. This includes the Andrews squadrons which have the longest lead time and are 12 miles from the White House.
``Whatever the explanation for the huge failure, there have been no reports, to my knowledge, of reprimands. This further weakens the ``Incompetence Theory.`` Incompetence usually earns reprimands.
``This causes me to ask - and other media need to ask - if there were `stand down` orders.``
[END EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT]
Elsewhere in the show, Mr. Zwicker talked about the Payne Stewart tragedy. As you may recall, Mr. Stewart`s small business jet ceased to respond to Air Traffic Controllers. The plane continued flying on autopilot.
Here is how Mr. Zwicker describes what happened:
``9:19 a.m.: the flight departs 9:24: The Learjet`s pilot responds to an instruction from air traffic control 9:33: The controller radios another instruction. No response from the pilot. For 4 1/2 minutes the controller tries to establish contact. 9:38: Having failed, the controller calls in the military. Note that he did not seek, nor did he require, the approval of the President of the United States, or indeed anyone. It`s standard procedure, followed routinely, to call in the Air Force when radio contact with a commercial passenger jet is lost, or the plane departs from its flight path, or anything along those lines occurs. 9:54 - 16 minutes later -- the F-16 reaches the Learjet at 46,000 feet and conducts a visual inspection. Total elapsed time: 21 minutes.``
[END EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT]
There appears to be an error here. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) report on the Payne Stewart tragedy (6) does not state when the military was contacted. Other reports indicate that it took half an hour for the FAA to notify the military. (7)
Several sources state that planes from Tyndal Air Force Base were the first ones sent to intercept the failing jet. (8) But the Tyndal planes don`t even figure in the NTSB report. (It also appears that the NTSB report does not state when the military was notified.)
Moreover, the NTSB switches from Eastern Time to Central Time in mid-report. Barrie Zwicker reported a lapse of 16 minutes from the time Stewart`s plane stopped responding to radio communication to the time interceptors actually reached the Lear Jet. But given the switch from Eastern to Central Time in the NTSB report, this apparently took over an hour. Again, this is a bit murky; it is possible that planes from the Tyndal Air Force base were dispatched and then recalled, and this is just not mentioned in the NTSB report.
Emperor`s Clothes made a similar mistake in `Cheney`s Cover Story.` (9) In the initial post, we stated that when Stewart`s plane went off course, the FAA `immediately` contacted the military. It`s fine to make undocumented statements in general argument, but in a Summary of Evidence one needs to document matters of time as much as possible. Since it is difficult to be sure of the exact timing of events in the Payne Stewart case, we have cut out the word `immediately.`
In any case, the question of how quickly the FAA contacted the Military about the Payne Stewart jet is not worth a lot of research time. Regarding 9-11, the important thing is that the Payne Stewart case shows, that contrary to Vice President Cheney`s assertions on MEET THE PRESS, intercepting planes does not means shooting them down. And as Barrie Zwicker pointed out, it does not require presidential approval to intercept a plane, again contrary to Mr. Cheney. These are the key points.
The question of how long it took the military to respond has to be put in context. This was a small business jet plane flying on autopilot towards a low-population area. It was not a hijacked jumbo jet, one of four airliners hijacked on 9-11, of which two had already crashed into the biggest buildings in New York. And it was not the third hijacked airliner, which turned around in Ohio and was flying back to Washington, DC.
Clearly on 9-11 the FAA went on emergency footing. Vice President Cheney says that after the first airliner hit the World Trade Center, the FAA had open lines to the Secret Service. Newsday reports that by 9:06 the FAA had ordered the entire air corridor from Cleveland to Washington, DC shut down. That is, the FAA shut down the route which, we are told, American Flight 77 took heading back to the Pentagon. (10)
It is one thing if the FAA or the military was slow responding to a small business jet on autopilot flying over unpopulated areas, and it is another thing for those in charge of Andrews Air Force Base not to scramble fighter jets when there was an obvious deadly threat to key US military and government installations, not to mention that Flight 77 was heading for an urban area inhabited by several million souls.
-- John Flaherty
Further Reading:
(1) `The Great Deception`
http://www.visiontv.ca/programs/insight/Deception.htm
(1a) The sections of `GUILTY FOR 9-11` aired on Canadian TV:
* Section 1: `Why Were None of the Hijacked Planes Intercepted?`
[Posted 14 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm
* Update to GUILTY FOR 9-11 Section 1:
[Posted 18 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm
* Section 2: `Mr. Cheney`s Cover Story`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm
(2) `Great Deception` Transcript
http://www.visiontv.ca/programs/insight/mediafile_Jan28.htm
(3) http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm#b
(4) http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm#k
(5) `Update to GUILTY FOR 9-11 - Section 1`
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm
(5a) `NBC Nightly News,` ``Attack on America,`` (6:30 PM ET) 11 September 2001, ``Tuesday President Bush returns to White House on Marine One,`` Anchor: Tom Brokaw, Jim Miklaszewski reporting.
See transcript at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nbc911cover.htm
(6) NTSB Report
Accident No.: DCA00MA005
Operator or Flight Number: Sunjet Aviation
Aircraft and Registration: Learjet Model 35, N47BA
Location: Aberdeen, South Dakota
Date: October 25, 1999
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/aab0001.htm
(7) AP Chronology on Payne Stewart Crash http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/stewart/stewfs13.htm
(8) http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/plane102599.html
(9) * Section 2: `Mr. Cheney`s Cover Story`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm
(10) `Newsday` 23 September 2001, ``Air Attack on Pentagon Indicates Weaknesses`` by Sylvia Adcock, Brian Donovan and Craig Gordon
Web version (does not link direct to part of article with reference to closing of air corridor) :
http://www.newsday.com/ny-uspent232380681sep23.story
Backup with direct link to reference to closing of air corridor is at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd923.htm#a
`Map & Timetable for American Airlines Flight 77`
[Posted 8 December 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/maptime.htm
`Map of Andrews Air Force Base`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/andrewsmap.htm
Frequently Asked Questions on 9-11
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/faq.htm
Includes: `FAQ #1 - Nobody was prepared for 9-11` and
`FAQ #2 - Planes did scramble on 9-11. They just arrived late.`
`Reader Says Emperor`s Clothes Wrong on bin Laden, 9-11`
A very interesting debate.
[Posted 28 September 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/wrong.htm
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 5, 2002 05:52 pm
The islam & muslim haters derive their succour from the backing of the United Satans.It is important to provide support,comfort,and guidance to such kind by exposing their master & benefactor......for what it truly is.Or can they see the Truth only if ``the Goraas are saying it?``
Bhoora-goraa Slaves!Reclaim your brains---souls will follow.
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CANADIAN TV AIRS EMPEROR`S CLOTHES `GUILTY FOR 9-11` EVIDENCE!
by John Flaherty
[Posted 5 February 2001]
For the first time material from Emperor`s Clothes series `GUILTY FOR 9-11` has appeared on a network TV show.
The program was ``The Great Deception``. (1) It aired Jan. 28 on the Insight Mediafile at Vision TV, a network with 2 million distinct viewers a week. Vision programs are seen across Canada and can reach from 100 to 150,000 people.
Hosted by Barrie Zwicker, the program used research and material from `GUILTY FOR 9-11, Section 1`, the `Update to Section 1, and `Section 2` or `Cheney`s Cover Story.` (1a)
After watching the program, Emperor`s Clothes Editor Chris Black contacted Barrie Zwicker to congratulate him for taking this brave step.
Mr. Zwicker wrote back:
[Letter begins here]
Dear Christopher Black:
What a joyful surprise to receive your e-mail.
Amidst the avalanche of e-mail I`m trying to cope with, I want to respond immediately to yours.
I discovered www.emperors-clothes.com I don`t know how long, maybe well over a year, ago. I learned to trust it. I have been educated and nurtured by it. And increasingly, inspired.
So for me to receive your e-mail was a complete and genuine and gratifying surprise. I do not consider myself to be in your league as to investigative journalism.
I was suspicious about the 9/11 thing from the outset. For me to be the first, apparently, to ask these questions on air is ridiculous. Big media should have done it already.
[Regarding the information on Andrews Air Force base] really, there must be thousands of people who have first- or second-hand knowledge of complicity. Just take the number of people who live on Andrews AFB who know their interceptors stayed put until too late. I don`t think they can keep the lid on this for much longer.
Thank you, Christopher, Israel and the rest, for your wonderful work all along.
Gotta run. I hope to be in touch again. In peace and networking for light.
Barrie Zwicker,
A producer and host
The MediaFile
[LETTER ENDS HERE]
Here`s the transcript of the part of the TV show based on Emperor`s Clothes research:
[START EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT] (2)
``For large scheduled aircraft, tracked throughout on radar, to depart extravagantly from their flight paths, would trigger numerous calls to the military, especially after two have hit the World Trade Centre and now one is speeding toward Washington, D.C.
``It flies over the White House, turns sharply and heads toward the Pentagon. Everyone - and I mean everyone - now knows these planes are very bad news. It`s been reported on all TV networks for more than half an hour that this is a terrorist attack.
``Now, Andrews Air Force Base is a huge installation. It`s home to Air Force One, the President`s plane. It`s home base for two combat-ready squadrons of jet interceptors mandated to ensure the safety of the U.S. capital. Andrews is only 12 miles from the White House. (3)
``On September 11th the squadrons there were: The 121st Fighter Squadron of the 113th Fighter Wing, equipped with F-16s The 321st Marine Fighter Attack Squadron of the 49th Marine Air Group, Detachment A, equipped F/A-18s (4)
``This information was on the website of the base on September 11th. On September 12th, Andrews chose to update its website. I find it odd that after the update there`s no mention of the F-16 and F-18 fighters. The base becomes, according to the website, home to a transport squadron only. (5)
``Yet at 6:30 the evening of September 11th NBC Nightly News, along with many outlets, reported:
```It was after the attack on the Pentagon that the Air Force then decided to scramble F-16s out of the DC National Guard Andrews Air Force Base to fly ... a protective cover over Washington, D.C.` (5a)
``Throughout the northeastern United States are many air bases. But that morning no interceptors respond in a timely fashion to the highest alert situation. This includes the Andrews squadrons which have the longest lead time and are 12 miles from the White House.
``Whatever the explanation for the huge failure, there have been no reports, to my knowledge, of reprimands. This further weakens the ``Incompetence Theory.`` Incompetence usually earns reprimands.
``This causes me to ask - and other media need to ask - if there were `stand down` orders.``
[END EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT]
Elsewhere in the show, Mr. Zwicker talked about the Payne Stewart tragedy. As you may recall, Mr. Stewart`s small business jet ceased to respond to Air Traffic Controllers. The plane continued flying on autopilot.
Here is how Mr. Zwicker describes what happened:
``9:19 a.m.: the flight departs 9:24: The Learjet`s pilot responds to an instruction from air traffic control 9:33: The controller radios another instruction. No response from the pilot. For 4 1/2 minutes the controller tries to establish contact. 9:38: Having failed, the controller calls in the military. Note that he did not seek, nor did he require, the approval of the President of the United States, or indeed anyone. It`s standard procedure, followed routinely, to call in the Air Force when radio contact with a commercial passenger jet is lost, or the plane departs from its flight path, or anything along those lines occurs. 9:54 - 16 minutes later -- the F-16 reaches the Learjet at 46,000 feet and conducts a visual inspection. Total elapsed time: 21 minutes.``
[END EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT]
There appears to be an error here. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) report on the Payne Stewart tragedy (6) does not state when the military was contacted. Other reports indicate that it took half an hour for the FAA to notify the military. (7)
Several sources state that planes from Tyndal Air Force Base were the first ones sent to intercept the failing jet. (8) But the Tyndal planes don`t even figure in the NTSB report. (It also appears that the NTSB report does not state when the military was notified.)
Moreover, the NTSB switches from Eastern Time to Central Time in mid-report. Barrie Zwicker reported a lapse of 16 minutes from the time Stewart`s plane stopped responding to radio communication to the time interceptors actually reached the Lear Jet. But given the switch from Eastern to Central Time in the NTSB report, this apparently took over an hour. Again, this is a bit murky; it is possible that planes from the Tyndal Air Force base were dispatched and then recalled, and this is just not mentioned in the NTSB report.
Emperor`s Clothes made a similar mistake in `Cheney`s Cover Story.` (9) In the initial post, we stated that when Stewart`s plane went off course, the FAA `immediately` contacted the military. It`s fine to make undocumented statements in general argument, but in a Summary of Evidence one needs to document matters of time as much as possible. Since it is difficult to be sure of the exact timing of events in the Payne Stewart case, we have cut out the word `immediately.`
In any case, the question of how quickly the FAA contacted the Military about the Payne Stewart jet is not worth a lot of research time. Regarding 9-11, the important thing is that the Payne Stewart case shows, that contrary to Vice President Cheney`s assertions on MEET THE PRESS, intercepting planes does not means shooting them down. And as Barrie Zwicker pointed out, it does not require presidential approval to intercept a plane, again contrary to Mr. Cheney. These are the key points.
The question of how long it took the military to respond has to be put in context. This was a small business jet plane flying on autopilot towards a low-population area. It was not a hijacked jumbo jet, one of four airliners hijacked on 9-11, of which two had already crashed into the biggest buildings in New York. And it was not the third hijacked airliner, which turned around in Ohio and was flying back to Washington, DC.
Clearly on 9-11 the FAA went on emergency footing. Vice President Cheney says that after the first airliner hit the World Trade Center, the FAA had open lines to the Secret Service. Newsday reports that by 9:06 the FAA had ordered the entire air corridor from Cleveland to Washington, DC shut down. That is, the FAA shut down the route which, we are told, American Flight 77 took heading back to the Pentagon. (10)
It is one thing if the FAA or the military was slow responding to a small business jet on autopilot flying over unpopulated areas, and it is another thing for those in charge of Andrews Air Force Base not to scramble fighter jets when there was an obvious deadly threat to key US military and government installations, not to mention that Flight 77 was heading for an urban area inhabited by several million souls.
-- John Flaherty
Further Reading:
(1) `The Great Deception`
http://www.visiontv.ca/programs/insight/Deception.htm
(1a) The sections of `GUILTY FOR 9-11` aired on Canadian TV:
* Section 1: `Why Were None of the Hijacked Planes Intercepted?`
[Posted 14 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm
* Update to GUILTY FOR 9-11 Section 1:
[Posted 18 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm
* Section 2: `Mr. Cheney`s Cover Story`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm
(2) `Great Deception` Transcript
http://www.visiontv.ca/programs/insight/mediafile_Jan28.htm
(3) http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm#b
(4) http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm#k
(5) `Update to GUILTY FOR 9-11 - Section 1`
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm
(5a) `NBC Nightly News,` ``Attack on America,`` (6:30 PM ET) 11 September 2001, ``Tuesday President Bush returns to White House on Marine One,`` Anchor: Tom Brokaw, Jim Miklaszewski reporting.
See transcript at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nbc911cover.htm
(6) NTSB Report
Accident No.: DCA00MA005
Operator or Flight Number: Sunjet Aviation
Aircraft and Registration: Learjet Model 35, N47BA
Location: Aberdeen, South Dakota
Date: October 25, 1999
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/aab0001.htm
(7) AP Chronology on Payne Stewart Crash http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/stewart/stewfs13.htm
(8) http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/plane102599.html
(9) * Section 2: `Mr. Cheney`s Cover Story`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm
(10) `Newsday` 23 September 2001, ``Air Attack on Pentagon Indicates Weaknesses`` by Sylvia Adcock, Brian Donovan and Craig Gordon
Web version (does not link direct to part of article with reference to closing of air corridor) :
http://www.newsday.com/ny-uspent232380681sep23.story
Backup with direct link to reference to closing of air corridor is at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd923.htm#a
`Map & Timetable for American Airlines Flight 77`
[Posted 8 December 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/maptime.htm
`Map of Andrews Air Force Base`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/andrewsmap.htm
Frequently Asked Questions on 9-11
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/faq.htm
Includes: `FAQ #1 - Nobody was prepared for 9-11` and
`FAQ #2 - Planes did scramble on 9-11. They just arrived late.`
`Reader Says Emperor`s Clothes Wrong on bin Laden, 9-11`
A very interesting debate.
[Posted 28 September 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/wrong.htm
The Place of Debate
MUSLIMS:Please READ & CIRCULATE.VERY VERY INFORMATIVE & POWERFUL.Most authoritative & must be used in all meetings supporting a Palestinian homeland.
__________________________________________________
The complete text of
The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict
Published by
Jews for Justice in the Middle East
__________________________________________________
As the periodic bloodshed continues in the Middle East, the search for an equitable solution must come to grips with the root cause of the conflict. The conventional wisdom is that, even if both sides are at fault, the Palestinians are irrational ``terrorists`` who have no point of view worth listening to. Our position, however, is that the Palestinians have a real grievance: their homeland for over a thousand years was taken, without their consent and mostly by force, during creation of the state of Israel. And all subsequent crimes - on both sides - inevitably follow from this original injustice.
This paper outlines the history of Palestine to show how this process occurred and what a moral solution to the region`s problems should consist of. If you care about the people of the Middle East, Jewish and Arab, you owe it to yourself to read this account of the other side of the historical record.
Introduction
The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs` inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.
The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).
The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists` intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)
In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn`t matter. The Arabs` opposition to Zionism wasn`t based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.
One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation. The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930`s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.
But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic ``land without people for a people without land`` was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem, as we shall see.
Click on the next chapter
Early History of the Region
The British Mandate Period 1920-1948
The UN Partition of Palestine
Statehood and Expulsion - 1948
The 1967 War and Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza
The History of Terrorism in the Region
Jewish Criticism of Zionism
Zionism and the Holocaust
General Considerations
Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel
Intifada 2000 And The ``Peace Process``
Views Of The Future
Conclusion I For Jewish Readers
Conclusion II
For free printed copies write to:
Jews for Justice in The Middle East
P.O. Box 14561
Berkeley CA 94712
FOR complete report:
www.wrmea.com/jews_for_justice/index.html
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 5, 2002 01:54 am
MUSLIMS:Please READ & CIRCULATE.VERY VERY INFORMATIVE & POWERFUL.Most authoritative & must be used in all meetings supporting a Palestinian homeland.
__________________________________________________
The complete text of
The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict
Published by
Jews for Justice in the Middle East
__________________________________________________
As the periodic bloodshed continues in the Middle East, the search for an equitable solution must come to grips with the root cause of the conflict. The conventional wisdom is that, even if both sides are at fault, the Palestinians are irrational ``terrorists`` who have no point of view worth listening to. Our position, however, is that the Palestinians have a real grievance: their homeland for over a thousand years was taken, without their consent and mostly by force, during creation of the state of Israel. And all subsequent crimes - on both sides - inevitably follow from this original injustice.
This paper outlines the history of Palestine to show how this process occurred and what a moral solution to the region`s problems should consist of. If you care about the people of the Middle East, Jewish and Arab, you owe it to yourself to read this account of the other side of the historical record.
Introduction
The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs` inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.
The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).
The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists` intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)
In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn`t matter. The Arabs` opposition to Zionism wasn`t based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.
One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation. The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930`s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.
But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic ``land without people for a people without land`` was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem, as we shall see.
Click on the next chapter
Early History of the Region
The British Mandate Period 1920-1948
The UN Partition of Palestine
Statehood and Expulsion - 1948
The 1967 War and Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza
The History of Terrorism in the Region
Jewish Criticism of Zionism
Zionism and the Holocaust
General Considerations
Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel
Intifada 2000 And The ``Peace Process``
Views Of The Future
Conclusion I For Jewish Readers
Conclusion II
For free printed copies write to:
Jews for Justice in The Middle East
P.O. Box 14561
Berkeley CA 94712
FOR complete report:
www.wrmea.com/jews_for_justice/index.html
Empty Vessels And All That Jazz
Khusraas defending women? feminazis are not women--they are heejraas.You,bazaree-ishtiharee,should know that.You did write once that you are into `advertising`(somehow sounds important in inglish)]
Who even mentioned a woman here.Are heejraas,aka feminazis,women?--only to a khusraa.
Trivializing it is not going to camaflouge it.Just as it is a pain in your butt(anal you said?) to walk tall as a muslim but bend at convenient angle as a hindu,similarly your khusraa-pun(no pun this)is evident.
It is doubly sad because you have a beautiful arab muslim sounding name.What a pity what a waste.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 5, 2002 01:54 am
#47Khusraas defending women? feminazis are not women--they are heejraas.You,bazaree-ishtiharee,should know that.You did write once that you are into `advertising`(somehow sounds important in inglish)]
Who even mentioned a woman here.Are heejraas,aka feminazis,women?--only to a khusraa.
Trivializing it is not going to camaflouge it.Just as it is a pain in your butt(anal you said?) to walk tall as a muslim but bend at convenient angle as a hindu,similarly your khusraa-pun(no pun this)is evident.
It is doubly sad because you have a beautiful arab muslim sounding name.What a pity what a waste.
The Place of Debate
[For centuries, many Muslim rulers in fact treated their Hindu subjects with contempt, calling them zimmis, levying jizya.]
Mr.Goradia should know:
1.Non-muslims are exempt from zakat.
2.They are zimmis,not out of contempt,but because the word means ``are the responsibility of``(from Zimma---like in urdu/hindi mera zimma) muslims to assure their safety & security in war & peace.protected citizenry.
3.Muslims do not expect those who do not subscribe to a state under Islamic law to be subservient to that law.They are inherently free to live their lives according to their own customs,creeds,& religious laws---& they should.
4.It was for this very reason that the jews of germany took the plea that they are exempt from military service.For centuries in Spain & other muslim empires,from where they migrated to germany,they alongwith other faiths as non-muslims enjoyed this privilege.
It may be an eye opener for Goradia & a lot of ingishsyphilsised lot to know that the West is still way way behind the islamic ``modernity`` & progress.
Our inglissyphlic populace considers somethig worthwile only when the Masters decree that it is right & wrong.If sikhism has ruled against smoking it is obscurantism(or for that matter parsis,or if Maulana Jamaluddin Afghani) but when the goraa-dundaa,with police & fines,is rammed through all the nine orifices of the kanjars only then it is ``scientific``,``modern``,``progressive``.
A fie on kanjars---irrespective of cast & creed.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 4, 2002 10:10 pm
cutandPaste--10[For centuries, many Muslim rulers in fact treated their Hindu subjects with contempt, calling them zimmis, levying jizya.]
Mr.Goradia should know:
1.Non-muslims are exempt from zakat.
2.They are zimmis,not out of contempt,but because the word means ``are the responsibility of``(from Zimma---like in urdu/hindi mera zimma) muslims to assure their safety & security in war & peace.protected citizenry.
3.Muslims do not expect those who do not subscribe to a state under Islamic law to be subservient to that law.They are inherently free to live their lives according to their own customs,creeds,& religious laws---& they should.
4.It was for this very reason that the jews of germany took the plea that they are exempt from military service.For centuries in Spain & other muslim empires,from where they migrated to germany,they alongwith other faiths as non-muslims enjoyed this privilege.
It may be an eye opener for Goradia & a lot of ingishsyphilsised lot to know that the West is still way way behind the islamic ``modernity`` & progress.
Our inglissyphlic populace considers somethig worthwile only when the Masters decree that it is right & wrong.If sikhism has ruled against smoking it is obscurantism(or for that matter parsis,or if Maulana Jamaluddin Afghani) but when the goraa-dundaa,with police & fines,is rammed through all the nine orifices of the kanjars only then it is ``scientific``,``modern``,``progressive``.
A fie on kanjars---irrespective of cast & creed.
Empty Vessels And All That Jazz
They lay them as and when it pleases them.You,on the other hand,stand little chance to be thus favoured.
Kafiras can only be concubines,but then they have to be conquered on a different turf first.;)---and looks do matter.This heejra(gender neuters feminazi westernism being parroted & mynahed by the educated doesn`t sit well there.
Ugly & filthy----that is Hindoostan.Even Babar wrote that.Nothing has changed,I guess.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 4, 2002 09:02 pm
[This may sound frivolous but is not: The recession has caused many hundreds of thousands of job losses in the US. How many wives did an average Saudi shiekh lay off ?]They lay them as and when it pleases them.You,on the other hand,stand little chance to be thus favoured.
Kafiras can only be concubines,but then they have to be conquered on a different turf first.;)---and looks do matter.This heejra(gender neuters feminazi westernism being parroted & mynahed by the educated doesn`t sit well there.
Ugly & filthy----that is Hindoostan.Even Babar wrote that.Nothing has changed,I guess.
Pakistanis in Afghanistan, Nothing New
It is this `education`` which is the real bane of our society.The guys here were trained to earn a living,by doing repetitive tasks,which they mistake for an education.
Those who earn more money and have more poerful jobs are considered ``educated`` in slave-lands.A propensity to adopt kanjar attire,speak contorted & ventriloquistic english,express a proud inability to read/write urdu/farsi/arabie,condoning adultery/drinking/fornication/deviancies and being mortified at loving their own parents.
This is called ``education`` in Indo-Pak.The other kind are obscurantists,back-ward,Parent loving,children-caring,and RELIGIOUS.
But they do somehow know they they WILL be accorded religous last rites.In the end they do have firm faith in the goodness of the pious ones.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 4, 2002 06:36 pm
kim--13It is this `education`` which is the real bane of our society.The guys here were trained to earn a living,by doing repetitive tasks,which they mistake for an education.
Those who earn more money and have more poerful jobs are considered ``educated`` in slave-lands.A propensity to adopt kanjar attire,speak contorted & ventriloquistic english,express a proud inability to read/write urdu/farsi/arabie,condoning adultery/drinking/fornication/deviancies and being mortified at loving their own parents.
This is called ``education`` in Indo-Pak.The other kind are obscurantists,back-ward,Parent loving,children-caring,and RELIGIOUS.
But they do somehow know they they WILL be accorded religous last rites.In the end they do have firm faith in the goodness of the pious ones.
Introspection in East and West
The slogan of Indo-Pakis:``We pay to be enslaved--only in Inglish``
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Friday February 1 5:38 PM ET
U.S. Terror Arrest Tactics Detailed
By ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press Writer
PHLADELPHIA (AP) - People the government suspects of terrorist involvement will be arrested on the most minor of crimes - spitting on the sidewalk or petty credit card swindles - just to get them off the street, a senior Bush administration lawyer said Friday.
``If we suspect you of terrorism you better be squeaky clean,`` Assistant Attorney General Viet Dinh told an audience of lawyers and human rights advocates, some of whom shook their heads in disagreement.
``If we suspect you of terrorism we will arrest you, no matter how minor the violation, so that you are removed from the street and from the people that you wish to harm,`` Dinh told an American Bar Association session.
Citing the late Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy`s campaign to bust organized crime, Dinh said terrorist suspects will be arrested if they ``so much as spit on the sidewalk.``
``By the time we wait to investigate, prosecute and then incarcerate the persons, the damage is already done,`` Dinh said. ``The consequence is too great, and we simply cannot risk that threat to the American people. The 19 primary suspects in this case are all dead, and with them are approximately 3,000 innocent people.``
Each of the hundreds of potential terror suspects detained since Sept. 11 faces legitimate criminal charges, Dinh said. ``These are individualized arrests. It is not a roundup,`` he said.
Dinh`s boss, Attorney General John Ashcroft, generally uses less colorful language to make the same points. A range of critics have called the administration`s arrest and detention policies heavy-handed, and the ABA opposes government monitoring of the suspects` meetings with lawyers.
Georgetown University law professor David Cole took issue with nearly everything Dinh said, and went on to criticize Congress for passing new immigration rules that Cole said recall the McCarthy era.
``It`s guilt by association,`` Cole said. Immigrants can be deported for supporting a range of potentially innocent causes, and can be refused entry to the United States based on their views, Cole said.
``What we have done is trade off the rights of immigrants ... for our purported security,`` he said.
The ABA is holding panel discussions on several terrorism and national security issues arising from the Sept. 11 jetliner attacks during its half-yearly meeting here. The nation`s largest lawyers` group may vote next week to give limited support to military tribunals proposed by President Bush.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 4, 2002 06:36 pm
More opportunities for introspection for Bhoora-goraa slaves.The slogan of Indo-Pakis:``We pay to be enslaved--only in Inglish``
_________________________________________________
Friday February 1 5:38 PM ET
U.S. Terror Arrest Tactics Detailed
By ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press Writer
PHLADELPHIA (AP) - People the government suspects of terrorist involvement will be arrested on the most minor of crimes - spitting on the sidewalk or petty credit card swindles - just to get them off the street, a senior Bush administration lawyer said Friday.
``If we suspect you of terrorism you better be squeaky clean,`` Assistant Attorney General Viet Dinh told an audience of lawyers and human rights advocates, some of whom shook their heads in disagreement.
``If we suspect you of terrorism we will arrest you, no matter how minor the violation, so that you are removed from the street and from the people that you wish to harm,`` Dinh told an American Bar Association session.
Citing the late Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy`s campaign to bust organized crime, Dinh said terrorist suspects will be arrested if they ``so much as spit on the sidewalk.``
``By the time we wait to investigate, prosecute and then incarcerate the persons, the damage is already done,`` Dinh said. ``The consequence is too great, and we simply cannot risk that threat to the American people. The 19 primary suspects in this case are all dead, and with them are approximately 3,000 innocent people.``
Each of the hundreds of potential terror suspects detained since Sept. 11 faces legitimate criminal charges, Dinh said. ``These are individualized arrests. It is not a roundup,`` he said.
Dinh`s boss, Attorney General John Ashcroft, generally uses less colorful language to make the same points. A range of critics have called the administration`s arrest and detention policies heavy-handed, and the ABA opposes government monitoring of the suspects` meetings with lawyers.
Georgetown University law professor David Cole took issue with nearly everything Dinh said, and went on to criticize Congress for passing new immigration rules that Cole said recall the McCarthy era.
``It`s guilt by association,`` Cole said. Immigrants can be deported for supporting a range of potentially innocent causes, and can be refused entry to the United States based on their views, Cole said.
``What we have done is trade off the rights of immigrants ... for our purported security,`` he said.
The ABA is holding panel discussions on several terrorism and national security issues arising from the Sept. 11 jetliner attacks during its half-yearly meeting here. The nation`s largest lawyers` group may vote next week to give limited support to military tribunals proposed by President Bush.
The Place of Debate
The DG and his ilk are the problem in Pakistan.You yourself have shown your complete lack of maturity by becoming impressed by this article.It seems you(whoever you are)either do not follow the debates on chowk or are deliberately trying to promote an agenda(by using so obvious hate/biased loaded words like /obscurantism --a clear giveaway of an atheist mindset).
This subject has been not just been debated but flogged to death on chowk eversince chowk was launched.Chowk has infact become the most boring site known precisely because of this non-issue.
Pakistans & Indias` problems are corruption,nepotism,neo-feudalism(oligarchy of army,beaurocrats,technocrats),foreign-footholds,protection of looters by United STAKES,
a desire to jump start the genes into 21st century,looking down upon workers(kummees)& glamourising /officers -----and a lot more.
But India is a living example of what should never be emulated by any nation on earth.A hodgepodge Kichhree of ideas which tries to gloss over its majority naked,emaciated,starving(the ultimate metaphor of Poverty incarnate) by showing to to world its naked inglisyphlised women & men kanjars,gaudy ornate movie scenes,&
trying to convince the world that the Indians can out-kanjar most known kanjars.
Just ask anyone who visits Pakistan after they have visited India.To them the place looks relatively of course,clean & safe.I was almost pleasantly shocked to learn that Pakistan does not have foot-path homeless people---and in India almost half the population is homeless(of course to the crazy maataa-mootaa connoiseours such poverty is ``normal`` & they hop step & jump to their own kholis to do their IT stuff).
Seriously folks,my dear dear Pakistanis:
Never let this nefarious propaganda affect you.India is the biggest slum in the world & no talk of ``progress`` is going to change that.I mean,people who try to revere & promote an ET look-alike just cannot be thinking right.The spidery-sparrow with his non-violence mantra was ok with the WW2 backdrop & europe in terror.The socialist,communist,and anti-class,liberal groups were using every straw to break free from the strangle-hold of British Class system(worse than brahminism--even today)
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When was the last time CHOWK STAFF printed something from the truly learned?--hint:they are not secularists or kanjars.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 4, 2002 03:42 pm
Chowk staff,The DG and his ilk are the problem in Pakistan.You yourself have shown your complete lack of maturity by becoming impressed by this article.It seems you(whoever you are)either do not follow the debates on chowk or are deliberately trying to promote an agenda(by using so obvious hate/biased loaded words like /obscurantism --a clear giveaway of an atheist mindset).
This subject has been not just been debated but flogged to death on chowk eversince chowk was launched.Chowk has infact become the most boring site known precisely because of this non-issue.
Pakistans & Indias` problems are corruption,nepotism,neo-feudalism(oligarchy of army,beaurocrats,technocrats),foreign-footholds,protection of looters by United STAKES,
a desire to jump start the genes into 21st century,looking down upon workers(kummees)& glamourising /officers -----and a lot more.
But India is a living example of what should never be emulated by any nation on earth.A hodgepodge Kichhree of ideas which tries to gloss over its majority naked,emaciated,starving(the ultimate metaphor of Poverty incarnate) by showing to to world its naked inglisyphlised women & men kanjars,gaudy ornate movie scenes,&
trying to convince the world that the Indians can out-kanjar most known kanjars.
Just ask anyone who visits Pakistan after they have visited India.To them the place looks relatively of course,clean & safe.I was almost pleasantly shocked to learn that Pakistan does not have foot-path homeless people---and in India almost half the population is homeless(of course to the crazy maataa-mootaa connoiseours such poverty is ``normal`` & they hop step & jump to their own kholis to do their IT stuff).
Seriously folks,my dear dear Pakistanis:
Never let this nefarious propaganda affect you.India is the biggest slum in the world & no talk of ``progress`` is going to change that.I mean,people who try to revere & promote an ET look-alike just cannot be thinking right.The spidery-sparrow with his non-violence mantra was ok with the WW2 backdrop & europe in terror.The socialist,communist,and anti-class,liberal groups were using every straw to break free from the strangle-hold of British Class system(worse than brahminism--even today)
__________________________________________________
When was the last time CHOWK STAFF printed something from the truly learned?--hint:they are not secularists or kanjars.
IT or a time to get LIT?
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Coca-Karma: The Very Secret Battle of Bob Kolody vs. Coca-Cola (KO)
Prologue: April 18, 2001
When the shareholders of Coca-Cola filed into the Playhouse Theatre in Wilmington, Delaware on the morning of April 18 for their annual meeting, you can bet that the last name they had on their minds was that of Bob Kolody. What with the recent resignation of President and COO Jack Stahl, Chairman Doug Daft’s failed attempt to buy Quaker Oats, and the Atlanta court ruling that awarded close to $200 million dollars in damages to Johnny Cochran’s racial discrimination suit, they had enough names to worry about. Not to mention the fact that their stock was selling for $45, thirty percent off the 52 week high of $64. Right about where it was 5 years ago.
But if some of those shareholders had known the story that you are about to read, they would have had good reason to question Coca-Cola Chairman Doug Daft about Bob Kolody. They would have been fascinated to know that for the past four years Coke has employed one of the country’s top intellectual property lawyers to defend a case that it has never identified in its annual SEC filings. What’s more, the $4 billion lawsuit has gone totally unreported by a national media that has, of late, reveled in the prospect of major U.S. corporations involved in trials that could cost hundreds of millions of dollars in damages.
Over the next ten installments of an exclusive Special Report, GNN breaks wide open one of the most intriguing cases in corporate legal history. The story begins with a major advertising agency stealing an independent consultant`s story-boards and culminates with allegations that Coke filed fraudulent copyright applications and enacted a high-level form of espionage against their legal opponent. What`s more, the federal judge in the case has been accused of having links to organized crime. Tantalizing? You bet. And we’re only getting started…
Coca-Karma: The Very Secret Battle of Bob Kolody vs. Coca-Cola
Introduction: Short Synopsis
Part One: Classic Coke, Classic Cars
Part Two: The Plot Thickens
Part Three: David and Goliath
Part Four: Alice in Wonderland
Part Five: The Beginning of the End
Part Six: Enter Skolnick...
Part Seven: The Bravest Lawyer (I)
Part Eight: The Bravest Lawyer (II)
Part Nine: Battle Scars
Part Ten: Final Jeopardy
Epilogue: The Fire This Time
Updates
Breaking News: August 2, 2001
Update: December 22, 2001
Send this Page | About GNN | Subscribe
FOR COMPLETE ACCESS:www.guerillanews.com/cocakarma
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 4, 2002 02:37 pm
Do you really know where the thugs & terrorists are?--Are you sure you are not under a Satanic spell?---Are you really putting your use of english to free your colonised minds,or--?Is your soul really yours,or--?---when was the last time you checked? ______________________________________________
Coca-Karma: The Very Secret Battle of Bob Kolody vs. Coca-Cola (KO)
Prologue: April 18, 2001
When the shareholders of Coca-Cola filed into the Playhouse Theatre in Wilmington, Delaware on the morning of April 18 for their annual meeting, you can bet that the last name they had on their minds was that of Bob Kolody. What with the recent resignation of President and COO Jack Stahl, Chairman Doug Daft’s failed attempt to buy Quaker Oats, and the Atlanta court ruling that awarded close to $200 million dollars in damages to Johnny Cochran’s racial discrimination suit, they had enough names to worry about. Not to mention the fact that their stock was selling for $45, thirty percent off the 52 week high of $64. Right about where it was 5 years ago.
But if some of those shareholders had known the story that you are about to read, they would have had good reason to question Coca-Cola Chairman Doug Daft about Bob Kolody. They would have been fascinated to know that for the past four years Coke has employed one of the country’s top intellectual property lawyers to defend a case that it has never identified in its annual SEC filings. What’s more, the $4 billion lawsuit has gone totally unreported by a national media that has, of late, reveled in the prospect of major U.S. corporations involved in trials that could cost hundreds of millions of dollars in damages.
Over the next ten installments of an exclusive Special Report, GNN breaks wide open one of the most intriguing cases in corporate legal history. The story begins with a major advertising agency stealing an independent consultant`s story-boards and culminates with allegations that Coke filed fraudulent copyright applications and enacted a high-level form of espionage against their legal opponent. What`s more, the federal judge in the case has been accused of having links to organized crime. Tantalizing? You bet. And we’re only getting started…
Coca-Karma: The Very Secret Battle of Bob Kolody vs. Coca-Cola
Introduction: Short Synopsis
Part One: Classic Coke, Classic Cars
Part Two: The Plot Thickens
Part Three: David and Goliath
Part Four: Alice in Wonderland
Part Five: The Beginning of the End
Part Six: Enter Skolnick...
Part Seven: The Bravest Lawyer (I)
Part Eight: The Bravest Lawyer (II)
Part Nine: Battle Scars
Part Ten: Final Jeopardy
Epilogue: The Fire This Time
Updates
Breaking News: August 2, 2001
Update: December 22, 2001
Send this Page | About GNN | Subscribe
FOR COMPLETE ACCESS:www.guerillanews.com/cocakarma
The Future Is Another Country: 2050 And Beyond
[Your posts are suggestive of a sense of moral superiority for your religion & ``noble causes``.]
Seems like bodhee under the chotee(ask a brahmin what that means)is cranking a bit.There is no suggestion it is being drilled with a jackhammer.
And please whisk away those flies from the phrase /noble causes in your statement.
But then,
``why should I think
I`m a shrink
I`m licensed to listen
and silenced to kissin`
& tellin` with a wink
that I charge for this game
without any shame
(to that you can drink)
`Cause I`m a shrink.``
PS:Took me 2/3 minutes to write that.You can use it if you want---it is complimentary,if you really think about it.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 2, 2002 10:15 am
Shankar---349[Your posts are suggestive of a sense of moral superiority for your religion & ``noble causes``.]
Seems like bodhee under the chotee(ask a brahmin what that means)is cranking a bit.There is no suggestion it is being drilled with a jackhammer.
And please whisk away those flies from the phrase /noble causes in your statement.
But then,
``why should I think
I`m a shrink
I`m licensed to listen
and silenced to kissin`
& tellin` with a wink
that I charge for this game
without any shame
(to that you can drink)
`Cause I`m a shrink.``
PS:Took me 2/3 minutes to write that.You can use it if you want---it is complimentary,if you really think about it.
The Future Is Another Country: 2050 And Beyond
These are NOT the views of muslims or non-Americans.In case some Bhoora-goraa from Goo-ka-Bora suffering from inglis-syphilis with `edutitude` gets antsy(psycho?) & repeats in delirium ``to go back from where you came from``.
What the shrunk-skulls do not know is that ``the times they are a`changin``` & Islam is gaining ground & will grow even more & more.Just watch & weep.
Or try to be what you really are--take a crash course in hindi/urdu or whatever & stop acting ``phorren``(thank you yours truly)--you might start speaking or writing correct language,any language.Arse wiggling,contorting face & knowing disney-land trivia cannot improve your grammar.
_________________________________________________
1979 — 1992
American Subversion in Afghanistan
Estimated civilian deaths: over 1,000,000 people
From Killing Hope
by William Blum:
Everyone knows of the unbelievable repression of women in Afghanistan, carried out by Islamic fundamentalists, even before the Taliban. But how many people know that during the late 1970s and most of the 1980s, Afghanistan had a government committed to bringing the incredibly backward nation into the 20th century, including giving women equal rights?
What happened, however, is that the United States poured billions of dollars into waging a terrible war against this government, simply because it was supported by the Soviet Union. Prior to this, CIA operations had knowingly increased the probability of a Soviet intervention, which is what occurred. In the end, the United States won, and the women, and the rest of Afghanistan, lost. More than a million dead, three million disabled, five million refugees, in total about half the population.
See also:
Imperial Hypocrisy: American/British state terrorism of the Afghan Peoples, 2001
[Back to list]
1981 — 1990
American Terrorism of the Nicaraguan People
Estimated civilian deaths: over 13,000 people
From Derailing Democracy
by Dave McGowan:
Following the fall of the Somoza regime, which had been backed for decades by the U.S., the CIA formed and armed the covert army known as the ``Contras`` from the remains of Somoza`s National Guard. Assisted by covert U.S. air power, this proxy army inflicted considerable death and destruction across the Nicaraguan countryside.
From Killing Hope
by William Blum:
When the Sandinistas overthrew the Somoza dictatorship in 1978, it was clear to Washington that they might well be that long-dreaded beast — ``another Cuba.`` Under President Carter, attempts to sabotage the revolution took diplomatic and economic forms. Under Reagan, violence was the method of choice. For eight terribly long years, the people of Nicaragua were under attack by Washington`s proxy army, the Contras, formed from Somoza`s vicious National Guard and other supporters of the dictator.
It was all-out war, aiming to destroy the progressive social and economic programs of the government, burning down schools and medical clinics, raping, torturing, mining harbors, bombing and strafing. These were Ronald Reagan`s ``freedom fighters.`` There would be no revolution in Nicaragua.
Posted by
hamzadafaqui
Feb 2, 2002 10:15 am
REPORT ON US Terrorism.These are NOT the views of muslims or non-Americans.In case some Bhoora-goraa from Goo-ka-Bora suffering from inglis-syphilis with `edutitude` gets antsy(psycho?) & repeats in delirium ``to go back from where you came from``.
What the shrunk-skulls do not know is that ``the times they are a`changin``` & Islam is gaining ground & will grow even more & more.Just watch & weep.
Or try to be what you really are--take a crash course in hindi/urdu or whatever & stop acting ``phorren``(thank you yours truly)--you might start speaking or writing correct language,any language.Arse wiggling,contorting face & knowing disney-land trivia cannot improve your grammar.
_________________________________________________
1979 — 1992
American Subversion in Afghanistan
Estimated civilian deaths: over 1,000,000 people
From Killing Hope
by William Blum:
Everyone knows of the unbelievable repression of women in Afghanistan, carried out by Islamic fundamentalists, even before the Taliban. But how many people know that during the late 1970s and most of the 1980s, Afghanistan had a government committed to bringing the incredibly backward nation into the 20th century, including giving women equal rights?
What happened, however, is that the United States poured billions of dollars into waging a terrible war against this government, simply because it was supported by the Soviet Union. Prior to this, CIA operations had knowingly increased the probability of a Soviet intervention, which is what occurred. In the end, the United States won, and the women, and the rest of Afghanistan, lost. More than a million dead, three million disabled, five million refugees, in total about half the population.
See also:
Imperial Hypocrisy: American/British state terrorism of the Afghan Peoples, 2001
[Back to list]
1981 — 1990
American Terrorism of the Nicaraguan People
Estimated civilian deaths: over 13,000 people
From Derailing Democracy
by Dave McGowan:
Following the fall of the Somoza regime, which had been backed for decades by the U.S., the CIA formed and armed the covert army known as the ``Contras`` from the remains of Somoza`s National Guard. Assisted by covert U.S. air power, this proxy army inflicted considerable death and destruction across the Nicaraguan countryside.
From Killing Hope
by William Blum:
When the Sandinistas overthrew the Somoza dictatorship in 1978, it was clear to Washington that they might well be that long-dreaded beast — ``another Cuba.`` Under President Carter, attempts to sabotage the revolution took diplomatic and economic forms. Under Reagan, violence was the method of choice. For eight terribly long years, the people of Nicaragua were under attack by Washington`s proxy army, the Contras, formed from Somoza`s vicious National Guard and other supporters of the dictator.
It was all-out war, aiming to destroy the progressive social and economic programs of the government, burning down schools and medical clinics, raping, torturing, mining harbors, bombing and strafing. These were Ronald Reagan`s ``freedom fighters.`` There would be no revolution in Nicaragua.
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