Happy 56th Anniversary, Pakistan and India Shankar #180

Belief and respect are two different things.

I respect your right to belief and worship.

Without necessarily thinking that your beliefs and actions are right. (And so you may think about mine)

Idol worship and Belief in One unseen God who is only known by his attributes are two different things.

I don`t think most Muslims have any problem visiting Hindu friends, who worship idol. Because the basis of that friendship necessarily has to be something else rather than religion. Nor would I think, there should be a problem vice versa.

The problem arises when people start persecuting because of religious beliefs.

Because one thing there is no compulsion in religion.

It is the change of heart. Acceptance by free will.

Happy 56th Anniversary, Pakistan and India Shammi #160

Actually, it started with my comment on Veeresh post (number I forget, but you can use back button).

That post depicted that idol worship of Quraish was different than Hindu idol- worship.

And Hindu idol worship is consonant with Islam.

I don`t think it was the correct picture.

Happy 56th Anniversary, Pakistan and India TAhmed to Dost Mittar.

Sir I would recommend you to read history of prophet PBUH from some unbiased source. Like Martin Ling ``Mohammed``

The idols were destroyed in Kabaa when Meccans became Muslim.

Resd the Ayah ``When you see the people entering Islam in hordes. Then pray your God`` (meaning)

What is the purpose of destroying idols, if people continue to have faith and continue to worship idols.

It is not the destruction of idols which is important, but change of hearts.

Since people already converted to Islam, there was no need for idols to be kept.

There is a suggestion by PM that three idols were left.

As far as prophet`s life I understand, if someone might have requested him for some reason, he might have complied.

Without reading the life of Prophet PBUH and his time, you cannot understand the ``Rahmatul-Lil Alameen``

Happy 56th Anniversary, Pakistan and India PM #168

I have no information on three idols left.

The concept of God in Islam has been elaborated by Quran itself and by many scholars.

Main thing is God is recognized by HIS attributes as nobody knows the form.

The attributes of God are omnipotent, omnipresent, all powerful. With no sharer.

That is the Islamic concept of God.

It is entirely a different discussion that whose concept of God is right.(Or even if God exists) My concept of God does not make God Muslim. HE is the creater of all creations. And is Just. So the criteria of judgement is Actions.

As the Ayah says whether a Christian or Jew or Sabian whoever does good has his/her reward from God.

We think Jesus was a prophet of God and not son. Because ``Neither HE has progeny, nor HE has ancestors``.

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation DRUMZ #376

So you put senseless jokes for discussion in a serious manner.

And put 35:20 and begin Islamic discussion to misguide people.

Would you care to describe your personality.

What is your credibility, I don`t know.

But one thing I am positive.

Because Jibran oozes from every orfice of yours.

You have no care for the sensibilities of other people.

And if you are some big shot, then poet has already said

``Apni Balaa Se Baith Rahe Jab Faqir Ho``

I am sure your response does not depict my question. ``I don`t know who you are?``

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation HamidM #395

Sorry to interfere in two sophisticated people`s discussion.

I work in a field where I come in contact with domestic voilence everyday. For minor reasons.

The Ayah in question is not incitement which is mandatory.

It is an advise regarding women who try to engender the family life, by the thing which leads to killing in most culture.

And advise is incremental. Of which beating is last. (I won`t go further into Shariah which also specifies it further)

I am pretty sure it is not related to your family life.

But this situation happens in many places.

It is not a license to beat wife for any reason. It is very much evident from Ayahs.

The other option is divorce also.

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation PM #398

Not a justification for blasphemy law.

But it is the English Law that with Capital punishment there is also fine.

I think each Capital punishment has fine added to it.

``Mare Pe Sau Durre``

Blasphemy Law: An Academic Investigation Hobbes I am following your discussion with pathetic idiot called DRUMZ.

Now burden of proof is on DRUMZ that he is not pathetic idiot.

I can proove that when I wrote Jibrasn`s stories have its roots in Lebanese and Arab culture, he started laughing like an idiot.

When he commented ( dude ---I meet with new girls every week) Probably for this idiot this is the culmination of his life`s achievement and probably a highly respected thing.

When I asked that which Jibran you read. He again gave me idiotic response.

And now he is claiming something idiotic and repeating it in an idiotic way.

Happy 56th Anniversary, Pakistan and India Dost Mittar #149

You have to be clear what is your context, when you say prophet PBUH was right or wrong.

From a Islamic point of view, it was the culmination of his struggle.

Going into historical background. Prophet PBUH had no grudge against Quraish. He himself belonged to Quraish.

When he proclaimed there is no God but Allah. And HE has no partners, Quraish became his enemy. He had gone through a very tough time for 10+ years. Including not only all kind of abuses, but economic and political boycott.

He suffered all this without compromising.

At one point he said ``Even if Kafir bring me moon on one hand and star on another I will not abandon my work.

When he migrated, to Medina. The same Quraish attacked Medina many times to perish him and his religion.

But in 10 years he returned to his birth place as a conqueror.

During that conquest only 13 people were killed.

His purpose of ``There is no partner to Allah`` culminated in demolition of all idols which people used to worship. And whole of Meccah became Muslim.

Worshipping an idol, which is making partners to God.

There is no partner to God.

India’s Potential Lose-Lose-Lose Scenario RSridhar #164

So what was the danger to Hindu right that they started burning christian missionaries and churches. (Coersion to stop their missionary work)

Facts speak for themselves.

India’s Potential Lose-Lose-Lose Scenario Fawad #179

Your answer can be yes and no.

On individual level there are many success stories.

But it is true that Pakistani Institutions fail to produce any impact.

I need to give credit to Musharraf administration, that it is trying hard to change the situation for better. (Does not mean, I agree with political philosophy of dictators. Give to cesar what is his due)

India’s Potential Lose-Lose-Lose Scenario Sialgaph 235 #

It is not so.

The two years I followed on Nobel prize.

One went to an Iranian origin and another to an Egyptian origin.

One in Medicine by the name of Murad (along with others for Nitrous Oxide as vasodialtor). And another was also in some scientific subject from Egypt.

I think if I dig there will be more names.

Nobel Prize for Peace in my opinion is politically motivated. And depends upon the biases and outlook of the commitee nominating.

Same may go with Literature.

In scientific subjects there is a chance of misjudgement, but is not much dependent on outlook and biases of committee members in terms of race color or creed.

For example Einstein was given Nobel Prize for something which was according to Einstein a minor work. And his major work went unacclaimed because of prevailing biases in scientific thinking.

India’s Potential Lose-Lose-Lose Scenario Amit #160

Pakistan should think beyond Kashmir.

Otherwise Hindu right will kill Muslims in India.

So you think that all the riots from cow slaughter to other BS are dependent on Pakistan.

Why Assamese are being killed.

Is it because of China or Communism.

World is not a closed system anymore.

And India has come out of isolation.

Anything happening in India will have ripples from China to America to Europe to Arab World.

Happy 56th Anniversary, Pakistan and India RSridhar #156

Actually my point was not that which religion is better.

The point I was making was that idol worship is inimical to Islam.

I think, Hindus working with a purpose, should be seen in history rather than Hindu philosophy.

It may be related to many factors. For example one important factor might be India being ruled by foreigners for such a long time.

As far as what you are calling dynamism of Hindu philosophy. For that dynamism is it necessary to believe in Hindu philosophy? I highly doubt that. For example adopting to enviornment and culture and work for one`s benefit and then twisting the supposed religion for the same aim can only depict the dynamism of person rather than anything to do with religion. Even an atheist or agnostic does that without bringing in religion.

Moreover the peaceful nature of Hindu religion, is not attested by history. Both past and current.

Instead of fight between equal groups, it was a fight between caste. That you will be well aware of . What it resulted in also you will be well aware of.

Happy 56th Anniversary, Pakistan and India Harimau #

According to some 124,000 prophets were sent to this world.

Even a Jahil like you knows that Prophet Mohammed never came to India.

Chowk@Five Chowk staff needs to be credited for their patience and hard work.

It is remarkable as scout said to be addicted to this site. And as someone else pointed out, cutting the family ties.

As Iqbal said (Was it Iqbal?:

``Silah-e- Shaheed Kiya Hai

Tabo Taab-e Jawidana.

Although Chowk claims to be a forum for South Asians to come near each other.

But mostly it results in anger and frustration and letting each other down.

But that is how family, friends and neighbour behave in real life.

So what is the prize for Chowk staff, except making their own life miserable so that we can be happy?

Happy fifth birthday to Chowk and Chowk family.