Sex Education For the Next Generation Naqash, i noticed your list of Punjabi sufis don;t have Shah Hussein's name. do you consider him Muslim sufi or not?

Remembering the Presidential Election of 1965 HP, obviously not many are gaga over him anymore..but my point remains, majority of the Pakistanis had pinned high hopes on Musharraf during majority of the last 8 years time frame...were the majority being childish? yes. that was my point too by the way.

Remembering the Presidential Election of 1965 HP saab, you want me to dig up articles and posts by Pak awaam on how dashing , good looking he is, how smart and energetic he is, how he is going to take Pakistan to 21st century by getting rid of corrupt Sharif? I give you there were few extreme liberals, anti-mohajirs and mullahs like sameer and zeemax who did not welcome him.
of course the story has been different for the last few years.

bulleya: NS was corrupt and so was BB and their nearest and dearest. I am in agreement with you on that. but so were guys before them and so has been the new nizaam..is Pakistan system any less corrupt now than it was at NS's time? Pakistan was at financial bankruptcy during NS time bceause of the sanctions and nuke tests....first year of Musharraf was not that good either then 9/11 changed lot of things.
Another thing favoring musharraf was spread of new technologies in the last decade and rising consumerism.

Remembering the Presidential Election of 1965 does anyone seriously believe that it will make a difference if BB or NS chose their second lieutenants to be the PM instead of themselves? They will still be the real power holders and be the ones playing the cards.

problem is the absence of any evolution in Pakistani politics over the last 8 years..whole process was in freeze mode..as soon as play button is pressed, it started where it froze...same lotas, same ganjas and same das feesadis.

Pakistanis instead of complaining about BB or NS should blame themselves and Mushy for it. you have been looking with awe at Mushy the Masiah for last 8 years to solve all problems...now all of sudden want a new reformed breed of polticians...politicians don't grow on trees...they evolve and rise amongst the people. it takes a life time for one to reach the top...think aboutt Jinnah, nehru, Vajpayee, thacher, bill clinton, mandela...it took them whole life to be what they were...they were not pulled out some General's ass like Bhuttos and Sharifs.

Twin Blasts in Rawalpindi leaves 27 dead, 70 injured "according to military spokesman Major General Wahid Prashad...."


toba toba...globalization taking its toll.

A Friend of Feudalism biggest failure Mushy and Pak awaam had is the failure to come up with an alternative to BB and Sharif. Musharraf delcared these 2 defunct and criminals..everyone agreed and kicked them out. Musharraf did not let a real political figure come out in the absence of BB and NS.. or is it that Pak politicians have gotten so used to getting to the top with army help that no one tries on its own? if that is the case they should give army a permamnent role in governance and forget about democracy.

Twin Blasts in Rawalpindi leaves 27 dead, 70 injured tahmad saab, it is not about wishful thinking...Paki awaam is clearly pissed off at the army...we can argue it should be mad at dictator only..hating dictator would not be a big deal as dictator can be replaced. awaam is seeing army as running away from the core issues it was believed to guard and instead becoming proxy for the americans to fight the Talibans. as much as you and many other chowkies consider taliban evil, majority of Pakistanis have a different view about them. anyone fighting against taliban, tribals and AQ is considered by them enemy of Islam and the country.
even a small percentage of pakistanis hating the army is a new phenonmenon. I don't know what it means in teh short run or long run...but it is certainly not a laughing matter.

Twin Blasts in Rawalpindi leaves 27 dead, 70 injured probably no army in the world is hated more by their own countrymen than Pak army right now....this does not bode well for the country in general.

The Paradox Cult dekhi shah ji, your sentiments are noble...your intentions are pure but with proclamations like in the last paragraph, there is no way you are going to succeed in your cause in Pakistan...even Jinnah did not talk like that...even he paid lip service to the muslimness of the masses.

Living Through a Revolution dawa-e-dil, janaab aap pichhlay 1000 saal se HinduyoN ke saath reh kar hagg bhi rahe...aisay karo abh haggna bhi band kar do, aap aur paak ho jayeiNge.

10 posts in a row on the same topic is also haggna...or rather e-haggna....you can't call it a dast but more like mengna.

Living Through a Revolution Nishan e mard e momin man ba tu goyam:
Marg aayad, tabassum bar lab e oost!
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explaination:
jadon mard shehar jaye, ohda nishana ay baar labay te rajj ke pee'ay.
:)
but mullahoons will never lighten up and reach to the hidden mysteries of Balay's poetry.:-)

Living Through a Revolution tariq saab, a very good read. I wish you gave more details about day to day life during those times.
as for Bala Lahori...I have heard his shairs quoted by Sikh preachers many a time...no doubt he is favorite of religious nuts of all kinds.

Dodging Pakistani Sleuths to Cover a War and a Coup #128 tahmed, I agree with your post in entirity. i am not a student of biology. My interest in it is just curiosity but it seems there is a lot more to be discovered in evolutionary biology.

Dodging Pakistani Sleuths to Cover a War and a Coup tahmed, I read Dwkins with 2 teaspoons of salt....but still evidence is overwhelming. he may be too far off the line in interpretation but not in facts.

Dodging Pakistani Sleuths to Cover a War and a Coup 270x3=720? sorry:-) about the mistake.

Dodging Pakistani Sleuths to Cover a War and a Coup urstruly, your point about mother's love is well taken...coincidently I am reading "The selfish gene" by richard Dakwins these days..that point is well known amongst biologists. it is damn the selfish gene of mother who wants to survive to the next generation through this child....she has already invested too much time (9 months) plus blood, sweat and what not..and number of eggs she has is limited.
father on the other hand had the ability to pregnante 270x3=720 (conservatively) women during those 9 months...and he has millions of seeds to spread around....in more animal way, he does not give a shit if this particular child survives or not..he has the ability to make hundreds like it.

anyway, my point is not that religious teachings about doing good stuff (for this life or rewards in the next one) does not have any good influence on us...surely it does..on some more than the others. my point is those religious teachings are also creation of sum total our human experience of many milleniums. You telling me from your own personal life experience that "drugs are not good for health" is no less meaningful than saying "God says drugs are not good for health". (just an example..drugs very well might be good for health :-) at various points in human history )