Khuda Ke Liye echoboom, I am sure Shoaib Mansoor is a kanjroon otherwise why would a Mullachoon or conservatoon act in a movie?:)

Khuda Ke Liye echoboom chacha your oon poon reminds me of this Punjabi drama I saw on youtube few days ago.

This character called (say) Sheehda Mistry has just come back from Dubai and speaking ThaiTh punjabi by adding "oon" behind every word...he is trying to impress the other mirasis on the stage with his Arabic accent and language skills.
After few minutes one other bhanD that actually knows Arabic starts cursing him generously in Arabic...as he kept delivering Arabic dialogs other characters on the stage started lining up in a "saff"...Tariq Teddy lifts his hands as in dua and kneels on the floor while addressing to the Arabic cursing bhanD "yaar, ikk Naani jaan lai vi paRh dey..wichari baRhi changi hundi si".
:)

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? Sattar Sahib, no offense but your Islam has started sounding even more sillier than Tahmed sahib's.
You are saying Quran is not word of God, Mohammad made it up as he needed etc etc and then you come back and claim "I have complete regard for Quran and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)."
I am not sure if you are confused or being sophist.

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? in case some people miss it. I highlight

"...Qur'an, from Al-Hamd to W'al-Naas is nothing but laudation [naat] of the Beloved of Allah.."

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? naqashbandi: "As the Ahle Sunnat believe the whole of the Qur'an, from Al-Hamd to W'al-Naas is nothing but laudation [naat] of the Beloved of Allah. "
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subhanallah...if that is truly the view of Sunnis regarding Quran, I declare them kafirs.
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echoboom (yelling and screaming rabble rouser, anti-"ooons", maybe less than 30 years old?)
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aah ki keh ditta....ajj wichari chaachi echoboom di shaamat aaoo. baba sufnay ch manjhi hilaoo.
:) :)

Seven Causes of Human Suffering jang/sohail sahib, desire of what? I think it is desire to live longer..some more. most if not all our desires are tied to our ability to live longer.
food: to live longer
clothes: to keep warmer..live longer. to look good so that eligible to be picked for mating so that can produce offspring..and live longer through them
sex: to reproduce and live longer
sex with younger women/girls: more chances of producing offspring and living longer through them.
get a college degree: so that eat better and live longer....find a better mate reproduce better and live longer
buy TV: watch and learn to hunt better and live longer
computer: learn to hunt better
more money: all of above hence insure longer life

etc etc


although it does not explain: craving nihari and whisky.

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? PM, sorry for delayed response. I agreed that our bad feelings or feelings of being victims (of abuse, molested, oppressed, cheated, being short, being fat etc) are exaggerated by the norms prevalent through which society exerts its control. BUT that is only partly true and ..in my view partly a good thing. even if there was no pressure from society or society considers it perfectly normal for a 40 yr old male to have sex with a 5 yr old, does that make it right to do so? No. I might live in a society that thinks fat people are beautiful, but we now know it may not be good for my health.

for some reason I don't buy your theory that young children having sex (even if willfully) with older adults does not constitute abuse. you seem to suggest that youngster is tender and beautiful hence has power over the older freak and older freak is a nice guy melted like moam worshipping and pleasing the youngster hence no abuse. That is bull of crap in my opinion. there may be exceptions..an intelligent, confident and informed 19 yr old sleeping and marrying a 80 yr old millionaire, knowing she will get his millions in couple of years...but even that has proved to ruin her life..anna nicole.

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? PM sahib, my sentence was not structured properly. I was attributing only first part of sentence (in spirit only not exactly) "the teen might even enjoy it at the time" to you. rest was my comment.
I agree with you most of it is because of social shame. If it was socially acceptable they won't feel that way or feel less badly but then that is true about every crime and wrond-doing...if we make beating socially desirable I might give you a smile after you slap me or invite people for slapping sessions are nearby starbucks or you might thank the robber after he puts knife on your neck and takes away your wallet.
but we are not there yet and for good reason.

Most of us do things (within our own control and with our own will) that we sometimes repent in later years. A 12 yr old boy or girl having sex with an older, more powerful and influencial person may feel good or enjoy it now, they are within their right to feel violated later on when they grow up and realize the full implications of it. The severeness of exploitation is not lessened because he/she might have given his/her naive 'yes' at the time.

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? another thing..urstruly sahib..make up your mind. Is it common sense or order of almighty?

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? On the other hand Islam encourages early marriage i.e. marriage in early teens so that when a couple reaches its prime age i.e. around 35-40 their children are ready to leave the nest. That way a couple can have more financial freedom and less responsibilities at an age when they can enjoy it too.
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hahahaha never heard something like this before...this is common sense?

reason people married young in middle ages and before was the low life expectancy....very understandable...financial freedom..haha

on the flip side it does make sense...if urstruly was married at 12, had finished having kids at 18, married them off by 13, he would be a free man at the young age of 35.:)

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? Naqash, thanks for bringing up and discussing the issue honestly.
No doubt teens are sexually active all over the world but mostly that is amongst the teens...if older folks with money, influence or power have sex with these teens the relationship cart is tilted..the teen is exploited. As PM would assert, the teen might even enjoy it at the time but real life observation tells you long term he/she will feel violated, disturbed and in many cases not have the normal life. Most prostitutes have been violated at very young ages. even though few might grow up to use this profession to make good money and live happily ever after, most are trapped, exploted and oppressed for life.

even if a young teen say 13 yr old is physically mature enough to have sex, it does not mean she can a)give birth to children without risking her own life (remember wives dying giving birth to firt child not so long ago...but we don't hear about it anymore) b)have a serious relationship as a wive and dispense the responsibilities of being a wive, daughter in law, sister in law etc etc.

as for objection on aisha's age...(I think it is not that she might have been 9 at the time...that can be easily excused as a 7th century Arbian culture)..it comes mainly from the fact that many muslims consider it as a role model marriage that should be emmulated even today.

you said "Islamic theology has specific criteria which are necessary for a Prophet to fulfill."
I am puzzled, did prophethood of Mohamamd or Islamic theology came first? would there be anything called islamic theology if no Mohammad?

What Lies Beneath: Dispatch from the Frontlines of the Burqa Brigades Dear Fawzia, I was putting off reading the article thinking it is too long..finally read it..it is very interesting narrative of your trip. could not stop reading through all once started. Although Rasid Ghazi did not say anythign new that he has not before your descriptions and comments on goign on in the complex are very interesting.
Please post more of your work and don`t listen to neembu..she is Amina Adeem of Lala masjid but without burka and hadith book in hand.

What Lies Beneath: Dispatch from the Frontlines of the Burqa Brigades neembu, kiya jabbliyaN maarn Dai ain? after looking at her picture who would not say she is beautiful. You seem to be jealous of her looks in addition to her intellect.:) saRh matt..nothing 10 years of more schooling and regular gym trips can`t fix.:)

What Lies Beneath: Dispatch from the Frontlines of the Burqa Brigades What I find amazing is how Pak goverment is playing footsie with the Islamic radicals...giving them month after month to change their position...talk after talk..communciation after communication..messenger after messenger, negotiation after negotiation..just because these are islamic radicals...no other dissenting group in Pakistan history has ever gotten such royal treatment..not bengalis, not Balochi leftists, not balochi tribalists, not mohajjirs...none. Message is clear, as long as you bark religious sermons and rhetoric, we will treat you better and give every chance to not confront you...even when you are responsible for getting 20 people killed, we will try not to hurt you but worry about where you and your old mother are going to be living.

What Next After Karachi’s Carnage? it is so illuminating to read..err to see Zeena`s long crafted posts commenting on Professor Hoodbhoy`s article.