Educational Practices in Private Schools in Pakistan satya: are you a complete idiot? that was a rhetorical question by the way. I was not educated at a convent and my mommy would not let me eat Cadburys unless it was a very very special occasion.

now do the virtual race a favor and bugger off. you would not know "satya" if it slapped you in the face.

There is no ‘honour’ in killing What would make us a better, stronger nation: dealing with the issue, or burying it in the sand?

Definitely dealing with the issue.

Educational Practices in Private Schools in Pakistan are you men talking about the St. Mary's in Lahore or the one in Pindi? I went to an all-girls private Muslim school so I can't relate to any convent education, but I do agree with much of what ijaz has said in #35.

and St. Anthony's and Don Bosco in Lahore, two thumbs up!

Alcohol and Teenagers: A Lethal Mixture trust hamid to say that drinking is better than praying and fasting. although in more than a few folks' cases it just might be true!

I am actually in agreement with hamid about sending boys off to kill or be killed in the service of their country at the age of 18, but not putting a drink in their hand. That is bollocks. Alcohol is associated with all things "mad, bad, and dangerous" but putting a gun in someone's hand is not?

Alcohol and Teenagers: A Lethal Mixture I agree with ejaz about individual responsibility but good luck educating that to people who want to place responsibility squarely on other peoples' shoulders.

isn't that why we have laws?!

kukku, enjoy DC!

Alcohol and Teenagers: A Lethal Mixture This is interesting. . . it only seems like a few years ago - almost two decades - since they decided to make the legal drinking age 21 for most if not all states, and now they want to change it again? When I first moved back to the US, the legal age in Idaho was 19.

It does not really matter whether they change the legal drinking age or not, men and women will still find a way to drink alcohol. I had my first beer when I was in freshman dorm, and none of us were "legal" at the time. . .

Kulharee, I am with your boys on this one. :)

How real is your politik? cheema, #123

then I would have to list practically every Pakistani and Indian here, including you and me . :)

rabb rakkh.

How real is your politik? masadi: i hate dunkin donuts. trying to quit the daily coffee, BP station da koi pata naeeN, because it is either walking, or public transit for me.

hope all is well in the other land of the corrupted. :)

How real is your politik? cheema:

that much is true, thank you for pointing out the obvious. but even so, massa masadi makes more sense than some of the other incoherent spammers.

or maybe I'm on drugs.

How real is your politik? masadi:

please end this TNI tintinny tamasha and return to your old ways. or in other words, will the real masadi please stand up? people are going to think you are pagal either way, so farq kya parta hai?

you still make more sense than some of these guru jis.

shandana:

as always, lovely to see you here.

Ahmed Faraz: The Light Stays guru:

for the last time, because after this post i will be ignoring you, and if your posts remain here, everyone else should too:

1) what masadi said on other threads is not applicable here on this thread.

2) You are an incoherent spammer, and until you act like an insaan, here is the score:

Ahmed Faraz: 123,456,789, 000

guru: 0

You lose guru, you are the weakest link. goodbye.

Ahmed Faraz: The Light Stays guru:

Some of your qavis might take offense to what you are saying about other qavis. You unfortunately cannot see beyond the tip of your nose.

You are stuck in some era long ago, and have closed yourself off to the realities in the world. Urdu may have come about as a language due to the imperialists, but it was not an "imposed" language. It was not imposed as a court language, or even national language until Pakistan came into being. So what is your point there?

Ahmed Faraz did write about Bangladesh. As did Faiz. Faraz wrote about students in Karachi who were killed needlessly in protest. He wrote about how the truth becomes the lie As I said, you have no interest in who he was anyway, only insofar as it serves your hater agenda. And many poets in many languages, liked to drink. It did not mean their words were soulless, or that they were without souls. You know what you pathetic guru (even your avatar is a lie) git? If Faraz had read your qavis, he would have declared them to be seekers of the truth as well.

Ahmed Faraz was no saint, but you know nothing of his actions to say they did not match his words.

Again, kindly stop polluting this board with your incoherent babblings. If you have no respect for human life, then it is no surprise that you cannot appreciate a person's death or that you use the deaths of others to insult a man who had nothing to do with these tragedies.

I have no more interest in communicating with you. I came here to pay tribute to a poet whom my family and countless families read and appreciated. It is really pathetic of you to have brought your "kaana" vision and your narrow judgments here. It would have been one thing if you knew who Faraz was, because there are certainly Pakistanis who did not appreciate him or his poetry either, those selfish, power-seeking, ignorant Pakistanis, even some of those who call themselves "liberals", but you do not know anything about him, so guess what, you pathetic person who calls himself a guru, you are really no different from those Bakistanis.

Deal with it.

Ahmed Faraz: The Light Stays guru,

Obviously you have no idea who Ahmed Faraz was and why he lived outside Pakistan. Do you understand what the word exile means, and why Faraz decided to leave Pakistan for the time that he did? It did not mean that his love for his country was any less. He was imprisoned for what he wrote against the establishment. Have you ever read his poetry? Have you ever been to a mushaira where he recited or read his ghazals, his poems?

You do not have a clue who this man was, what he wrote, what he meant not only to Pakistanis, but to Indians who read him and listened as well, and all you can come up with is incoherent dribble.

Ahmed Faraz was a man of conscience (where is yours?), he wrote poems of resistance, he wrote of things that you will most likely never understand, and those who know his poetry, and know of his struggle are saddened by his death. So stop making yourself look like a fool (which does not take much) and stop your incoherent babble about a man you know nothing about, and things that do not belong on this board.

And by the way, it is Pakistan, and Pakistani, unless you are an Arab, and it's rather ignorant to write maliciously of a language just because it does not have the letter "p". Which Urdu, the language Faraz wrote in, does have.

So either read some of Faraz's poetry, learn who he was, and then talk about him, or please go and expose your stale breath elsewhere.

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Thank you Mutaal for this.

A couplet that Faraz recited while he was in New Delhi, for a mushaira:

Let’s again begin the journey of love, let’s again become each others’. If there is question of ego with you, then let me extend my hand of friendship to you

Thank you Faraz sahib for sharing your journey of love with us. May your spirit and words remain with your people, and your friends forever. Memory eternal.

Local Liberal Dribble NFP:

okay, so you're inching just a little closer to "art" again. good for you.

i haven't seen this movie, and probably will not. thanks for the write-up. :)

p.s. next time give the liberals thoRa sa break and rage against the surkhis. if you can!!! On second thought, never mind.

p.p.s. mohar only likes your "write-up" 'cause he hates us "pakis." :) do not be fooled by his praise. ;)

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Ameer: I wasn't referring to you as elitist. I do sense some condescension or arrogance though, khair who am I to tell you or anyone how to talk to people? I lose it with masadi all the time!

I don't think that just because someone tells another they are a moron, or to fkuc off in an argument, they've been the beneficiaries of poor education or upbringing, if that was the case, more than a few of us would be guilty of that.

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement masadi:

no need to thank me. ye mein ne sirf aap ke liye nahin kiya. :)