The Power of Faith no explanation necessary. i've been here longer than you, remember?

The Power of Faith akcheema:

i did understand that. :) thank you. i just didn't want to ask any further, personal information and all thaaaat. . .

Race to the Finish acha zeemax, you know how feminists get lumped into one non-static mass, or Muslims, or Pakistanis. . . that is what I mean by monolith.

the next lane? acha, is it true that "haseena" isn't there anymore. someone told me uss ka naam o nishaan hi baqi na raha.

The Power of Faith cheema:

okay, won't ask any further. thanks. :)

Race to the Finish cheema,

the connection you keep insisting on is not there. my identity is connected to the first part of the sentence, my shelf life here on Chowk, is another part. My shelf life here at Chowk is more connected to not participating in conversations such as the one I did today.

i apologize if being grammatically incorrect hinders your comprehension, but as I said before, I no longer wish to continue interacting on this thread.

PPP Isn’t Convinced! hamid:

all these years you've been lying to us???!!! jhooTa, makaar, farebi!

The Power of Faith akcheema: just in case you read this. your last name reminds me of one of my favorite teachers in what used to be called "Haseena Foundation". (Esena) Are you related to any of the Cheemas in Lahore?

Just curious

Race to the Finish anil,

i don't do debates. i also do not like talking to people the way i did with zeena today. i questioned her generalizations, and she began the usual abuse.

I have written many times about what being a Pakistani is to me, and what being a Pakistani woman is, and all the other aspects of my identity, and I am not going to put them on display again. As far as I know, most of my family has not moved from what is now Pakistan in centuries, we are not Muslims, although Muslims have come into our family. We were not always Christian either. I have grown up amongst Muslims, if there is such a thing as an Islamicized Christian, I was that being.

Being that I was influenced by all these different faiths, I never considered anyone to be "the enemy". And one does not have to be influenced by different faiths to be that way. I grew up pampered by Muslim uncles and aunties who felt the same way. And my upbringing is what shaped me as I am. I can only speak for myself. I can't get into a debate about Pakistani identity as a whole. There is our collective identity, and then there is the individual one. And there were times when being part of the collective was challenging.

When Indians ask me if I am Indian or Pakistani and I tell them I am Pakistani, and some of them say, oh same difference, I used to laugh at this. It is not the same. That is what I have been trying to say all along. We have certain things "in common", so we are not "completely different" but we are not the same. Now if certain proud Pakistanis are going to curse at me for this, I really don't give a fcuk. And I am not interested in getting into a debate with someone when there is no chance of any real understanding developing.

Perhaps anil sahib, rather than trying to get viewpoints of people on Chowk who by being virtual and anonymous might be suspect, you should make that trek to the "enemy country" and get the real scoop. If you are indeed interested in a real education. Chowk is only the superficial part of it. . .

I am not returning to this thread.

Race to the Finish hasb-e-maamool = as usual, the usual.

PPP Isn’t Convinced! hamza hamza hamza, . . . . :(((

hamid is a blazing atheist, has been since time immemorial which is how old he is too and the sharaab hasn't killed him yet. he belongs to none of us, so yahaaN ownership ka sawaal hi paida nahiN hota. what the hell are you talking about?

Race to the Finish anil, i hate to disappoint you, but i do not wear kid gloves anymore. plus, why does this debate interest YOU so much? there is no debate. i hurt people's sensibilities. zeemax and i talked it over. the leviathan zeena turns the tables around and calls ME a racist. And there is no debate possible when one refuses to see reason. there is just the hasb-e-maamool at chowk.

i am afraid you will have to get your jollies elsewhere. identity in Pakistan is not a monolith, and that is your lesson for this evening.

good night.

Race to the Finish and zeena, a few more lights up your proverbial ass before i go.

1) i was born in Pakistan, behooda aurat, I lived in Lahore. I am a Pakistani. I am a Pakistani who identifies as a Pakistani, but has friends from various parts of the world, including India and Africa, and I am so sorry if that hurts your demented sensibilities. NOT.

2)Before you call me demented, look at your own posts, look at the style in which you write. And you call yourself an educated doctor. Obviously you are a doctor who cannot write without sounding hysterical, a word I hate to use for women, but since I think you're a fraud to boot, all bets are off.

3) I can slap just as hard as you can. Unfortunately I have practice. So please do not go wawawawawaing about how many slaps you've given me. Bas samnay aao jaan-e-maan, tainu maiN vhi dikhavaN gi.

And finally, I have no desire to interact with your puny ass self, who thinks she is so superior to everyone else, especially black people. But I'm telling you, unlike your dear friend majumdar, the root cause of your anger and hysteria is of no interest to me. If you think you are free to say whatever you want, and call the rest of us names, then so are we kuttiya. So don't get your chaddies all in a knot, baat aayi samajh maiN?

I am through talking to your ass today. Kal phir aa jana.

Race to the Finish zeena, teri aisi ki taisi, why don't you come on unplugged and jharofy me there, are you afraid everyone else is going to light into you too.

if you want me to leave you the fcuk alone you pathetic excuse for an open-minded ----, then you're the one who has to stop being delusional. Now go take your dawaiyaN and Allah hafiz!

PPP Isn’t Convinced! yusufzai:

hamid is no masih or "anointed one". please do not tarnish the masih by associating that with him.

he will thank you one day. :)

Race to the Finish zeemax:

first of all, even if I thought once upon a time that Partition was a mistake that doesn't mean that I have any disregard for my country or more love for Indians than Pakistanis. I don't feel I have to defend myself again and again on this score. So do not be so quick to judge, please.

Secondly what I said was in response to majumdar's comment about Beejay, and partition being a mistake and delegitmizizing Pakistan and whatever else he said, (am in a time crunch, so cannot go back to look). My response was that I may think Partition was a mistake, but I do not see it in the same light. I was not agreeing with any of the "horrible hindoos" here. I was not delegitimizing, or de-anything Pakistan. Now if you do not accept my explanation, ye alag baat hai. But do not tell me that I do not love my country and where I come from, because that would be enna vaDDa jhut jeda koi hisaab naeeN.

and now I am late to work.

Race to the Finish zeemax:

i do understand that, thank you. :) And yes, I know it does offend Pakistanis, and has, which is why I refrain from expressing that. I had my reasons for writing that last night as a response to what some Indians were saying.

cheema, How nice that you do not get offended by the vilest things said even under the relative anonymity of the Internet. I have been here for seven years and this is mostly all I have seen.... I get tired of seeing the same things, and yes, it does help my virtual presence here not to participate or even read such nonsense.

And finally Christians in Pakistan do NOT look away from the reality they are in. We continue in spite of the reality, whatever that is. Some of us challenge that reality. Because we are Pakistanis. We belong there, and we love our home. My father would not have returned to Lahore to help our community (and I am speaking of the wider community) if he thought it was inconsequential.