Forgive me, Danny
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#97 by Manjit on March 6, 2003 9:32pm PT
Tipu,

As you noticed, Aligarh Muslim college had come into existence full four decades ahead of BHU.

Sarvarkar is just ONE cog in the wheel of vermin of communalism who think being Hindu entitles them to special rights!The other cogs are Shyama Prasad Mukherjee ,K.M. MUNSHI,Pt,Madan Mohon Malvia ,Business community of Dalmia & Birla (read thegrand daughters expose of grand father Dalmia)to most recent RETREAD of old tires by Koenrad Elstd(for being white german) Francis Gauthier (for being Whitre French)foolsHindutva still are impressed by Whites .Arun Shourie (only roped i b/c of Scathing criticizing Journalistic ability And Spewing venomin Koran translation ,Ramesh Rao ,Rajiv Malhotra ,etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.

What 4 decades before BHU ??Are you trying to pull fast one Manjit ?I know colleges even older than Aligarh Musl;im Oriental Colleges still there .DOnt compare COLLEGE with UNIVERSITY !

How many times Police made raid in BHU to investigate BJP VHP RSS etc.?



Even India Govts Raw or CID or BJP doesnt think Tableeq Jamaat is any org. Even if you want why you are suggesting as if Sarvarkar INVENTED Jan Sangh or Maha Sabha THAT WAS DONE BY others.

Tunnel Vision
Saima is not exaggerating about terrorists in over 5-6 states Bihar,Jharkhand ,Nagaland,Arunachal pradesh,Veerapan rules more than Karnataka & Tamil ....


The NYT today picked up the Reuters report and reproduced it in the World Briefing Section, under Asia - India.

But the NYT report is much shorter than the Reuters report. Both are reproduced below.

NYT`s World Briefing Section contains another story, which will be posted separately, on a child marriage in Nepal (the children were a 3-year old boy married to a 6-month old girl).

Obviously, the child marriage story is interesting. But, it could also be argued that the Nagaland rebels story is far more important and deserved a separate article. Depends on whether the Nagaland story is just a bizarre event in a remote state or whether it is a symptom of a wider issue of law and order and separatist movements in India. I don`t know enough about Nagaland to judge. Just observing here what makes news and what doesn`t.



NEW YORK TIMES VERSION FROM NYT DATED FEB 26, 2003:

INDIA: REBELS KIDNAP 300 Separatist rebels have abducted about 300 political workers in the northeastern state of Nagaland over the last few days to prevent them from taking part in assembly elections, officials said. A security official said rebels had kidnapped supporters of candidates, mainly from the state`s governing Congress Party, at gunpoint from their homes, offices and during campaigning. The hostages are being held in rebel hideouts in thickly forested mountains. (Reuters)


THE FULL REUTERS REPORT, FROM FEBRUARY 25, 2002 7:23 am VERSION:

Rebels Holding Hundreds Hostage in Northeast India
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Reuters
Tuesday, February 25, 2003; 7:23 AM

ZAKHAMA, India (Reuters) - Separatist rebels have abducted about 300 political workers in India`s northeastern state of Nagaland over the past few days to prevent them from participating in assembly polls Wednesday, an official said.

A security official said rebels had kidnapped supporters of candidates, mainly from the ruling Congress party, at gunpoint from their homes, offices and during campaigning. The hostages are being held in rebel hideouts in thickly forested mountains.

``The rebels are holding about 300 people hostage in different parts of the state to prevent them from voting,`` Lalthara, Nagaland`s chief electoral officer, told Reuters on Tuesday. ``The hostages are likely to be released after the voting is over.``

This is the first time that the guerrillas from the Naga National Council and two factions of the National Socialist Council of Nagaland have used such tactics before an election.

In the past, the groups fighting for an independent tribal homeland in Christian-dominated Nagaland have called for a poll boycott or attacked security vehicles and election officials.

Nagaland is one of India`s seven northeastern states plagued by separatist violence for more than half a century. More than 50,000 people had died in almost five decades of fighting between rebel forces and government troops.

The government held talks with a faction of the NSCN last month to end more than half a century of separatist revolt in the northeast, but made no headway.

The powerful Naga National Council had warned tribesmen to stay away from voting or ``face dire consequences.``

Some 225 candidates are in the fray for the 60-member assembly in Nagaland, one of four states due to vote for new assemblies Wednesday.

``The situation is very, very bad, lots of intimidation and torture of supporters of candidates is going on,`` Lalthara said.

Officials said rebels had blocked routes leading to polling stations and all the state`s 1,583 polling stations had been declared ``hypersensitive.``

An army official in Zakhama on the outskirts of the state capital, Kohima, said soldiers had intensified patrolling and rushed to remote villages where guerrillas had a free run.

Authorities have clamped a night curfew in Nagaland ahead of the vote and soldiers with automatic rifles have set up observation posts on hilltops to monitor guerrilla movements.












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Tunnel Vision India: Carnage in Gujarat Unpunished
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For Immediate Release:

India: Carnage in Gujarat Unpunished
Communal Violence Continues

(New York, February 27, 2003) — One year after the beginning of communal
violence in Gujarat that claimed over 2,000 lives, there have been no
convictions of those responsible and little in the way of promised
relief for victims, Human Rights Watch said today.

Although the Indian government initially boasted of thousands of arrests
following the attacks, most of those arrested have since been released
on bail, acquitted or simply let go. According to local activists, those
who remain in jail largely belong to Dalit (so-called untouchable),
Muslim or tribal communities. Due to manipulations in the filing of
charge sheets, the instigators and ringleaders of the attacks may escape
prosecution altogether.

Music in Pakistan Bangladeshi Rocker Studying in America
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By TODD DVORAK, Associated Press Writer

GRINNELL, Iowa - Back in Bangladesh, he has a hit rock
album.

But at a small, liberal arts college in the middle of
Iowa, 23-year-old Yasir Mehboob is studying economics
and computer engineering, hoping for a job that will
keep him in America.

As a senior at Grinnell College, he is far removed
from the emerging music scene in Dhaka, where he began
playing nightclub gigs with adult bands in his early
teens.

``My mother never liked that part of it,`` jokes
Mehboob, who began playing keyboards at 11 and joined
a band three years later. ``She didn`t like that I was
hanging out with adults and getting exposed to alcohol
and all that stuff.``

With his bookish looks and polite demeanor, Mehboob
hardly fits the rock `n` roll image. Even in photos in
his band`s CD, he`s the one without the dark
sunglasses and tough-guy look.

Islam in Crisis (Part2)

#101 by shankar on February 26, 2003 7:01am PT
tahmed,

I`m assuming thats one of the reasons muslims generally marry when theyre relatively young(er).



Is it considered somehow offensive or improper to talk about sex? I mean, how do muslims learn about the ``birds & the bees``?--esp muslim women? I`m asking you this cos I`m treating a Bangladeshi 22 yr old lady whose parents are both highly educated professionals. I was intrigued when she told me that her parents (devout muslims) never ever talked about sex with their children. Is this cultural or ``religious`` or somehow not considered ``appropriate``? or is she an exception to the rule?

In the same vein, (& I`m not being a disrespectful wise-ass; now)...is there some sort of an ``etiquette`` that Islam has prescribed when a man has more than one wife? Please dont call me a pervert; I dont mean to be. Just a ``professionally based`` question which I think every good shrink ought to be aware of:)

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Shanker

NOT Noras father


Whether Hindu or Muslim or Christian or Parsi or German while studying in India no body has girl friend to unload on...........

Even here whether Bangladeshi or Indian or German immigrant no body gets sex education at home .First thing,.... in every American family for good reson Sex isnt a `Lakers game or Michael Jordan` that you can talk from locker room to dinner table REGARDLESS OF ETHNIC ORIGIN...


So put a lid to your curiosity of finding or inventing anything new.Many of my class mate married in India while in college.Many didnt .But none had sex i know b/c we talked all the time.

If your patient is conning you by familiar line ``iam poor deprived backward immigrant who dont have all that the white american has b.f. sex educationetc etc.``No children like to hear from there parent anywayze over school consellor & teachers .When one fouls up i they talk to gullible naive DESI like you b/c she knows you like the back of her hand.If you are dumb to have sexual contact in School & in Adolescent nothing can give you wisdom not even education.Like Umer M said Sameer may be Knowledgeable but never WISE !!!Knowing memorising lot of facts dontmake you wise to use it responsibly.

Tunnel Vision INDIA: 12-year-old boy arrested as terrorists
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``Anyone caught with a copy of the Communist Manifesto or (Mao`s) Red
Book
becomes a suspicious character.``

12-year-old boy arrested under Pota
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AKSHAYA MUKUL

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 2003 02:04:05 AM ]

NEW DELHI: India may not be breaking many world records these days but here`s something for the Guiness book: the world`s youngest ``terrorist``, and the oldest.

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February 14th with the INS
#42Adnan

``.......But, judging from your reply I can safely say that you`re too full of yourself. So, there`s no point arguing on this matter any further. I just hope that one day you are able to see the human suffering in all this and get rid of the technical and sanctimonious bullshit surrounding such issues. Adios!...``
Adnan
Whats u r problem??????


There are far more disastrous suffering in Muslim history & Pot Poh & Vietnam massacres are real tragedy compared to bunch of Pakistanis wanting to stay by hookor by crook.

I never ASS u .ME about you .Its not the least of My interest .Dont flatter yourself .Any body who is illegal here, i never felt right fighting for them.I never wanted to come to America & i still wont have any qualms leaving it .I KNOW u never believed that .And you accuse me of assuming ?????????

February 14th with the INS 43 ADNAN

The cut & paste story you are so gracious about is in all the news forums .If you want i can send you dozens of the more SUCH stories pasted by your Gurkul Ustaani !!!

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#11 by pmishra2 on February 24, 2003 7:23pm PT
#8 rsridhar

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``.........The other notable thing about Pankaj Mishra is that he once wrote an article blaming the Chattingsinghpora (J&K) massacre of a sikh community on the indian goverment. No evidence was provided but I guess it just felt right to stick it to these hindu fascists. Several months later Barry Bearak wrote a good investigative article in the NYT that established the entire jehadi picture behind the massacre............... ``
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P.Misra 2

THIS IS CALLED SELECTIVE REPORTING (may be selective memory)

You forgot to mention more scientific & irrefutable DNA analysis of dozen of Kashmiris bodies that was presented by Indian security forces as TERRORISTS were found to mach with civilian Kashmiris. NO MUJAHDEENS or MILITANTS,

What Pankaj said & what you believe Barry Something is at best conjectures to bet on without conclusive scientific determination as in the former case I cited & you OMITTED.

Tunnel Vision
#22


Plz don`t insult our capacity to judge relative proportion of dissent in India & the power of the religious Fanaticism.

No, we never are disillusioned by Chomsky for not being able to stop war

or Arundhati & Misra to safeguard minorities in ndia.

Thses people never claim to be saints or more human than the deviant leadership they crticize.If you were so proud of liberal democracy of India you would NOT fearfully lock up through out 54 yrs periods of Golden independence for all indians ......from the Communists & Naxals to Muslims whenever there were indo pak war or tension.

Even to day illegally Tada & Poto is used to silence SIMI while RSS VHP Shiv Sena the murderous bunch never touched by so called Secular Demockery.When Simi never committed horrendous act of genocide these perpretrators are capable of & have done .

Tunnel Vision #11 by pmishra2 on February 24, 2003 7:23pm PT
#8 rsridhar

If all you can think of is Mishra ,Roy & Chomsky all i can think of for your ideology is

Shyama Prasad Mukherjee ,Founder of hindu mahasabha later Jan sangh which Atal ji was member of which a decade ago became BJP political party with Multiple nicks of HYDRA RSS,VHP,Shiv Sena ,Bajrang Dal ,only garnishing vote for BJP there by connecting Indirect way to POWER in DELHI !!!!!!!

To that add Arun Shourie journalist who translated Koran the way BJP wants it to be giviong him Minstership by hand picking him from Journalist position .

Murli manohar Joshi the guy with Ego large enough to extend longer than length of Ganges.Thinks he is Einstein though mere physics teacher .

Rajiv Malhotra Subhash Kak are small players in U.S. Re inventing hinduism for P.Misra2 to read in Sulekha forum with 100% hindutva readership

Tunnel Vision #8

Do check this P.Misras article for your own awareness

ONE SHOULD NOT MISS THIS VERY 7 PAGES LENGTHY ARTICLE BY PANKAJ MISRA A WELL KNOWN WRITER FROM INDIA KNOWN FOR LONG FOR HIS LEFT & LIBERAL LEANING .
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/02/magazine/02HINDU.html

The Other Face of Fanaticism
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By PANKAJ MISHRA

n the evening of Jan. 30, 1948, five months after the independence and partition of India, Mohandas Gandhi was walking to a prayer meeting on the grounds of his temporary home in New Delhi when he was shot three times in the chest and abdomen. Gandhi was then 78 and a forlorn figure. He had been unable to prevent the bloody creation of Pakistan as a separate homeland for Indian Muslims. The violent uprooting of millions of Hindus and Muslims across the hastily drawn borders of India and Pakistan had tainted the freedom from colonial rule that he had so arduously worked toward. The fasts he had undertaken in order to stop Hindus and Muslims from killing one another had weakened him, and when the bullets from an automatic pistol hit his frail body at point-blank range, he collapsed and died instantly. His assassin made no attempt to escape and, as he himself would later admit, even shouted for the police.

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#7 by veeresh on February 24, 2003 4:17pm PT
Why did the scorpion bite the frog as it was being ferried across the river, thus drowning both? Because it had to. That is the nature of our curse, I would think?

If you write after few cans of indian toddy or beer ,you do have that vision of seeing brightness of sun in the `amavas ke raat `

Did you report on 1 million of THOUSANDS MILLIONS Indian who are priveleged to have flown trans atlantic or Adivasis Santhals Gujjar ,Kurmi Chamar Dussadh dalit Harijan etc are not Indians in your book.

Music in Pakistan 27 by jay on February 24, 2003 7:09am PT
Norah Jones takes Grammys by storm
CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ MONDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2003 12:00:12 PM ]

WASHINGTON: Sitar maestro Pandit Ravi Shankar’s American daughter Norah Jones won a record-equalling eight Grammy Awards on Sunday to lend the music world’s biggest night a light Indian note
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ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF INFLATED BOOK KEEPING HABIT OF HINDIANS.

Everything is Indian .........when only 2/3 of india is BHARAT ......

Just a Human By Name. You cant hate yourself & be productive in this world.

If you are just this & not Human it calls for Personality make over.


Yes there are surgical cutting up of your persona psychologically & without cutting surgically make you a new person akin to plastic surgey of body ,a tuck here & and lift there .

Poets are mostly depressed people .

Hindians will start treating you guilty if you lament .Isnt Harimou already thinks Pakistanis are trying to hide from there identity .The funny thing is people take the cue fro you how they should treat you .If you sound condemned & loathsome by yourself how do you expect others will treat you with ????
This poem was written in 1993 obviously it is not relevent to recent events per se .If it is then one must be a prohet to forsey events a decade earlier.If it is so general that it could apply to any period then it isnt specufic enough for NOW.