Three Cups of Tea & Pennies for Peace
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 12, 2008 06:48 pm
Tea for you, Masadi sahib?
The Republican Red Scare
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 12, 2008 06:45 pm
yawn...so,how was your weekend, ali saheb?
‘Dustbin of history’ or ‘history of sorts’
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 12, 2008 09:06 am
hamidm #116 its all a question of perspective. If you recognize the "perfect storm" that is building up in South Asia (per #115 below), then Kashmir is a trivial issue. And to recognize these bigger challenges is not to be "mealy mouthed", merely realistic.
‘Dustbin of history’ or ‘history of sorts’
Also note that with time Kashmiris have become more restive, not less. Thus, in 1965 when Pakistan armymen were sent to Kashmir under the misconceived "Operation Gibralter", they were quickly turned over to the police when they tried to recruit locals in mosques. I doubt if the same would be the case today.
Also not in Nehru's time, India used to be much more hard-line on Kashmir - when it even claimed Azad Kashmir as part of India and considered Kashmir an "atoot ang" of India.
All this is the result of Indian attempts at playing hardball, putting 1 trooper for every 3 kashmiris, and so forth.
The fact is that playing "hardball" with entire populations may work on chowk and television debates, but in real life you need a less callous approach.
The damage done India trying to play hardball with Kashmiris and with Pakistan trying to play hardball with India goes far beyond Kashmir - per my post #115 below.
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 12, 2008 09:02 am
Dost Mittar: In other words, you think being too soft on Kashmiris (i.e. article 370) is the problem. I think the facts point the other way, e.g. the most recent uprising was due to Indian attempts at violating that article under the guise of practical convenience. Also note that with time Kashmiris have become more restive, not less. Thus, in 1965 when Pakistan armymen were sent to Kashmir under the misconceived "Operation Gibralter", they were quickly turned over to the police when they tried to recruit locals in mosques. I doubt if the same would be the case today.
Also not in Nehru's time, India used to be much more hard-line on Kashmir - when it even claimed Azad Kashmir as part of India and considered Kashmir an "atoot ang" of India.
All this is the result of Indian attempts at playing hardball, putting 1 trooper for every 3 kashmiris, and so forth.
The fact is that playing "hardball" with entire populations may work on chowk and television debates, but in real life you need a less callous approach.
The damage done India trying to play hardball with Kashmiris and with Pakistan trying to play hardball with India goes far beyond Kashmir - per my post #115 below.
‘Dustbin of history’ or ‘history of sorts’
Finally, I think we are getting somewhere!! This is what I have been trying to say: its about a better life for all. Not about the whether individual personalities are devils or saints.
I would therefore simply add: "education paindabad!!"
As for Kashmir - I think both India and Pakistan face a far bigger common enemy, albeit one that does not generate the same raw emotions as communal hatreds etc. This being the coming shortages in water, destruction of coastal areas by rising ocean levels and more violent cyclones, pollution, loss of wildlife, continued population increase (expected to crest at 300 million for Pakistan!!) and so on. Kashmir is a trivial issue in light of the far bigger challenges that require seeing India and Pakistan and the rest of the world as being on the same team.
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 12, 2008 07:06 am
hamidm: you write "roti zindabad !"Finally, I think we are getting somewhere!! This is what I have been trying to say: its about a better life for all. Not about the whether individual personalities are devils or saints.
I would therefore simply add: "education paindabad!!"
As for Kashmir - I think both India and Pakistan face a far bigger common enemy, albeit one that does not generate the same raw emotions as communal hatreds etc. This being the coming shortages in water, destruction of coastal areas by rising ocean levels and more violent cyclones, pollution, loss of wildlife, continued population increase (expected to crest at 300 million for Pakistan!!) and so on. Kashmir is a trivial issue in light of the far bigger challenges that require seeing India and Pakistan and the rest of the world as being on the same team.
‘Dustbin of history’ or ‘history of sorts’
You obviously are having difficulty understanding plain english. I know it is frustrating for you to keep coming back having to ask "Is this what you meant?", but you must not give up hope. Dyslexia is not an incurable disease. I would suggest getting help from the missus or some other adult at home when reading english. You could supplement this with some traditional remedies, like eating almonds.
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 12, 2008 12:21 am
#70 hamidm: you wrote "... are you saying that droopy doesn't want to be reinstated again ? "You obviously are having difficulty understanding plain english. I know it is frustrating for you to keep coming back having to ask "Is this what you meant?", but you must not give up hope. Dyslexia is not an incurable disease. I would suggest getting help from the missus or some other adult at home when reading english. You could supplement this with some traditional remedies, like eating almonds.
‘Dustbin of history’ or ‘history of sorts’
"Reinstatement" is for babus (which includes not just college clerks and other "babus", but all those with a babu mindset, including and "can i please stay on as a figurehead president then" musharraf).
On the other hand, "a place in history" is for broad-gauged national level figures like the Chief Justice.
Try to think outside the "babu box" your mind is locked in, instead of repeating yourself from inside that box. I know you can do it!! shabaash jawaan!!
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 11, 2008 08:34 am
#68 hamidm: i have decided to remind you every third time you repeat this about the "droopy eyed one getting reinstated": "Reinstatement" is for babus (which includes not just college clerks and other "babus", but all those with a babu mindset, including and "can i please stay on as a figurehead president then" musharraf).
On the other hand, "a place in history" is for broad-gauged national level figures like the Chief Justice.
Try to think outside the "babu box" your mind is locked in, instead of repeating yourself from inside that box. I know you can do it!! shabaash jawaan!!
Rape Survivor Families Struggle Against Odds
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 11, 2008 06:32 am
#25 jay thakeray: i thought i told you that hindu nuts like you are permitted to expose your measly little minds on chowk - but that is all. so dont try to engage in "discussions" with me.
‘Dustbin of history’ or ‘history of sorts’
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 11, 2008 06:26 am
#66 President Hamidm: I am sure Prime Minister Arjun will take into consideration your plea on behalf of the Kashmiris and set "your people" free.
Terrorism Accused: Is Legal Aid Justified?
another not-so-great president said: "We have nothing to fear - but fear of shopping". or something like that.
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 10, 2008 08:24 pm
BJ2: writes "A great American President said: “We have nothing to fear – but fear itself!”"another not-so-great president said: "We have nothing to fear - but fear of shopping". or something like that.
‘Dustbin of history’ or ‘history of sorts’
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 10, 2008 08:18 pm
#59 maybe india can get two for the price of one - lota rashid plus commando musharraf!!
‘Dustbin of history’ or ‘history of sorts’
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 10, 2008 01:58 pm
hamidm: in fairness, 25% is nothing. the pathan rate of interest (i was told by someone who would know) used to be 100%. and the pathan money lender would come to collect, refuse to accept the principal back, and simply demand his interest.
Terrorism Accused: Is Legal Aid Justified?
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 10, 2008 09:44 am
#48 That redflag is my response. Have a nice day. :-)
Terrorism Accused: Is Legal Aid Justified?
Common sense says - if someone believes that if he jumps from the roof, or if someone thinks that if he pushes someone from the roof, he will fly to heaven, or achieve nirvana, that is his business.
However, common sense tells us that if someone actually pushes someone from the roof, you charge him with murder. Regardless of whether he thinks Allah or Vishnu will be happy because he did this.
Communalism or terrorism are simple to deal with if one applies common sense. Otherwise they are complicated - as is the case in India and in Pakistan.
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 10, 2008 09:33 am
GT #41 Since we agree on the universality of common sense, we can therefore apply it to the discussion on communal issues in india.Common sense says - if someone believes that if he jumps from the roof, or if someone thinks that if he pushes someone from the roof, he will fly to heaven, or achieve nirvana, that is his business.
However, common sense tells us that if someone actually pushes someone from the roof, you charge him with murder. Regardless of whether he thinks Allah or Vishnu will be happy because he did this.
Communalism or terrorism are simple to deal with if one applies common sense. Otherwise they are complicated - as is the case in India and in Pakistan.
Terrorism Accused: Is Legal Aid Justified?
and common sense, far from flourishing, is decidedly uncommon on chowk.
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 10, 2008 07:02 am
Dear GT: common sense says that if you jump from the roof, you will fall to the ground - regardless of whether you are a hindu, muslim, or 7th day adventist. so, it applies to all.and common sense, far from flourishing, is decidedly uncommon on chowk.
Terrorism Accused: Is Legal Aid Justified?
Posted by
tahmed32
Oct 10, 2008 06:55 am
#32 1Safe: very true when you say "The surest way to create an environment which would allow terrorists(of all communities) to win, would be to suspend, or selectively apply, the rule of law."
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