Saddam: The Butcher of Baghdad and the Shame of Mesopotamia Najeeb,

Now that they have hanged Butcher of Baghdad I, how about Butcher of Baghdad II and III? There is also a butcher in Cairo, Riyadh, Tel Aviv, Damascus, Washington, Islamabad and Kabul (and vice-butchers too). How are is the world going to get rid of them?

The Fertility Debate It is permissible in Islam to plan your family. The prophet in one of his ahadeeth stated that he himself practiced family planning.
The motive, howver should not be to please colonial masters who want a decrease in the black and brown races of the world, while they provide incentives for the `superior race` to propogate their seed as evidenced in European countries like Germany for example.
In America, we reward our single mothers to have a `haram ka baccha` every year by providing free milk, food, medical services and residences to them. When these women cannot bear any more children, they start their teen daughters to proliferate and therefore guarantee the funds coming in.
Folks, take pride in your children and don`t believe the propoganda of `slave` governments who are their master`s voice when they say `kam bachay khushhal gharana`. That is absolute bull.
Yes, Americans are more conservative regarding abortions than men in Muslim coutries. There are more abortions done in the backwaters of countries like Pakistan than by people who go to doctors for them.

Urdu Star-spangled Banner Wah Wah Naqshabandi Saheb,

Yours is an improvement on my bhonda attempt at translating an equally bhonda piece of peotry.

And it was not in jest only. The lines are drawn. It is time to stress the equality of all immigrants in America.
Columbus and Capt. John did not fill out immigration papers when they came. They were not finger-printed and did not respect the laws of this land at the time.
It is time for all immigrants to stress that they will not be treated second class in the land of equal opportunity. That English is not and will not be the official language of USA. There is no reason for the anthem to be in English only. That Hispanics are the future of this country. This the tide of history and no one can stop it. Just like no one could stop European immigrants while it was their time.

Why Aren’t Muslim Women Converting to Christianity? Re: # 338 This question and all other comments are aimed at digressing from the actual topic. Actually, the enemies of Islam do not distinguish between Shias and Sunnis unless they are trying to make them fight each other. And yes Hindus, Christian and Jews all fight each other for who is the `real` one, except that it is not brought out on the media. Nothing makes more people more defensive than Islam.

Growing Up Red Ali strange as it seems this seemed like a letter from a long lost family member.
You see the root cause of my own `problems` is that I grew up with a heavy dose of of Iqbal and Faiz, not to mention my own `dehria` father. May Allah forgive all their sins.
Faiz is part of my own memories in an entirely different way in the sense that Mrs. Faiz was a regular visitor to PECHS school and Mrs Majeed Malik a great admirer and friend of his.
We celebrated his silver or golden jubilee in 1973 or 1975 at the school. Where we were immersed in his poetery. I did not, at that time, realize `Phir Barq Faroozan hai sari wadi-e-Sina`` had any connections with his being in Beirut with PLO. One day however, Mr. Faiz came to see the rehearsal. I was standing right behind him. I drew myself closer to his chair, so that I could have touched him and preserved the memory of the moment in my mind. To tell my grandchildren about. My grandchildren, unfortunately, may or may not ever know who Faiz was, but now I have told the whole world.

LUMS -- Lahore University of mis-Management Sciences I went to IBA, and then to various universities in the US. I still find IBA at par and even better than most US school. Eat your heart out LUMS.

It is not just fancy equipment that makes a school. IBA`s greatest assets are its students.

Survival of the Fittest These days, the test of respectability for third world countries is only one:A US Attack!!!
Even Chichu ki Mallian is loudly pronouncing fears that it is the next US target.

Sadly, the Paki hysterical committee should realize that a dog does not chase a car it has already caught.

The US occupation of Pakistan already occurred some 2 years ago, when they were in the neighborhood of Afghanistan. Let Qazi Hussain Ahmed holler all he wants. He already lives in US territory.

Ich bin ein Mussulman It should be more like Washington and Nazi Berlin, twin cities.

Dear Dina,

What American women don`t understand is that the South Asian male gets off the plane looking for something to sleep with.

I have seen them hook up with American, Chinese, etc., etc.

Also, if he has slept with you he wont marry you. That is the psyche of the South Asian male, Indian, Pakistani, or Bangladeshi (even Arab). Nothing to do with race or religion (they actually love anything in white skin, even a donkey).

Next time, you think of sleeping with someone outside your culture, just do your homework.

Intellectual Dishonesty of Pakistani (Pseudo-) Liberals An Israeli doctor says ``Medicine in my country is so
advanced that we can
take a kidney out of one man, put it in another,
and have him looking for
work in six weeks.``

A German doctor says ``That is nothing, we can take
a lung out of one
person, put it in another, and have him looking for
work in four weeks.``

A Russian doctor says `` In my country, medicine is
so advanced that we
can take half a heart out of one person, put it in
another, and have them
both looking for work in two weeks.``

The American doctor, not to be outdone, says ``You
guys are way behind, we
just took a man with no brain out of Texas, put him
in the White House, and
>now half the country is looking for work.``

Chowk@Five Subject: Microsoft for the punjabis

DO READ THE FINAL COMMENT!!!

If computer starts working in Punjabi then?

This will change setting of your computer as per the guidelines given

below

so that you can work in PUNJABI ...

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Edit = Sidda Karo

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Forward = Aggay Sutto

Inbox = Undar Da Daak Khaana

Outbox = Baar Da Daak Khana

Trash = Mitti Paao

Sent Items = Bheji Gayee Dak

Address Book = Patay Wali Kaapy

Reply = Bejan Walay Nu Jawab do

Reply All = Saareyaan Nu Jawab do

Delete = Daffa Karo

Download = Thallay Laao

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Properties = Jaidaad

Connect = Naal Milaao

Fonts = Likhaai

Accounts = Galla

Drafts = Chitheeyaan

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Blind Carbon Copy = Anni Koelay Walee Naqal

Stationery = Pensal, Rubburd, Shaapnar

Folders = Thailay

High priority = Waddee Takleef

and finally

Ctrl+Alt+Delete = Sara Syapa Mukao

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COMMISSIONING OF WOMEN IN PAF

NATIONALITY: Female citizens of Pakistan

AGE: SPSSC 21 to 35 years

PC (Legal) 21 to 30 years

PC (others) 18 to 30 years

MARTIAL STATUS: Married / Unmarried

PERMANENT COMMISSION (PC) IN

METRIOLOGICAL , ACCOUNTS , LEGAL AND ADMIN & SPECIAL DUTIES BRANCHES

SPECIAL PORPOSES SHORT SERVICE COMMISSION IN

EDUCATION , ENGINEERING , LOGISTICS & MAINTENANCE DATA AUTOMATION BRANCHES

BRANCHES , SELECTION PROCEDURE , INELIGIBILITY

EDUCATION BRANCH:

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All officers are exposed to multifarious challenges and ever changing demands. They have to adjust with the accelerated pace of life in the PAF and respond adaptively to a variety of tasks which they are expected to perform. In order to groom and train these officers to play their roles efficiently and effectively, education officers make a meaningful contribution. If you desire to satisfy your need to impart knowledge and interact with the bubbling and exciting intellect of young men and women, you should consider joining the PAF as an education officer.

* RANK:

Flight Lieutenant

* TRAINING PERIOD:

20 weeks training at PAF Academy Risalpur as Officer Cadet.

* QUALIFICATIONS:

Masters degree (1st/2nd division) from a recognized Pakistan/ Foreign University in any one of the following:

Psychology (Applied / General / Mathematics / International Relations / Journalism / Defence & Strategic Studies / Statistics / Urdu / Library Science / Business Administration / Aerodynamics / Computer Science OR BCS / BBA with five years teaching experience

OR BE / MS Engineering in:

Industrial Engineering / Control System / Circuit Designing

LOGISTICS BRANCH:

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Without adequate logistics support, even a well prepared plan cannot be properly executed. To ensure smooth functioning of the PAF, we require a well organized logistics team. If you are keen, meticulous and industrious you can render fruitful services by contributing your acquired knowledge concerning supply and cost-oriented operation services in the PAF.

* RANK:

Flying Officer / Flight Lieutenant

* TRAINING PERIOD:

20 weeks training at PAF Academy Risalpur as Officer Cadet.

* QUALIFICATIONS:

MBA / Bachelors of Engineering in any technology or BBA with two years field experience (1st / 2nd Div) from a recognized Pakistan/ Foreign University.

ENGINEERING BRANCH:

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

* RANK:

Flying Officer / Flight Lieutenant

* TRAINING PERIOD:

20 weeks training at PAF Academy Risalpur as Officer Cadet.

* QUALIFICATIONS:

BE in Electronics (1st / 2nd Division) from a recognized Pakistan/ Foreign University.

MAIN DATA AUTOMATION BRANCH:

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Like all other modern and sophisticated organizations, the PAF also uses computers extensively. Accurate and rapid information and data processing is a pre-requisite for all management, logistics and operational plans and their day-to-day running. Young men and women with talent for computer related work can lead an enjoyable and gratifying life as data automation officers in the PAF.

* RANK:

Flying Officer

* TRAINING PERIOD:

20 weeks training at PAF Academy Risalpur as Officer Cadet.

* QUALIFICATIONS:

MSc Computer Science / BCS (Honours) / BE in Computer Systems

OR BCS / BSc in Computer Sciences (with two years field experience) 1st or 2nd Division from a recognized Pakistan/ Foreign University.

METROLOGICAL BRANCH:

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Met Officers monitor the vast skies, analyze the seasonal changes and forecast the weather for efficient flying and accurate combat preparedness of the PAF.

* RANK:

Flying Officer

* TRAINING PERIOD:

20 weeks training at PAF Academy Risalpur as Aviation Cadet.

* QUALIFICATIONS:

MSc Physics / Maths /Avionics or BSc with Physics / Maths /Avionics 1st /2nd Division or equivalent grades from a recognized Pakistan/ Foreign University.

ACCOUNTS BRANCH:

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

* RANK:

Flying Officer

* TRAINING PERIOD:

42 weeks training at PAF Academy Risalpur as Aviation Cadet.

* QUALIFICATIONS:

BBA / B.Com/ MBA / M.Com (1st / 2nd Division) from a recognized Pakistan/ Foreign University.

LEGAL BRANCH:

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Cohesive and disciplined functioning of the PAF 6is ensured with the expert advice and assistance of legal officers. In the interpretation of law and advising us on legal matters, your education and acumen can be a great asset to the legal branch of the PAF.

* RANK:

Flying Officer

* TRAINING PERIOD:

42 weeks training at PAF Academy Risalpur as Aviation Cadet.

* QUALIFICATIONS:

BA / LLB (1st / 2nd Division) from a recognized Pakistan/ Foreign University.

ADMIN & SPECIAL DUTIES BRANCH:

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Efficient and effective administration is an intrinsic requirement of a combat oriented service. Intelligent and energetic young men and women in this specialty are required in the PAF.

* RANK:

Flying Officer

* TRAINING PERIOD:

42 weeks training at PAF Academy Risalpur as Aviation Cadet.

* QUALIFICATIONS:

MBA / MPA/ MA English / BE Civil Engineering / BBA (Honours) or BA / BSc / B.Com / BBA / BCS (1st / 2nd Division) from a recognized Pakistan/ Foreign University.

SELECTION PROCEDURE:

a) At PAF I&S centre:

(1) Preliminary Intelligence Test, Interview and Medical Examination.

(2) Academic Test in related subjects for SPSSC candidates only.

(3) Personality Tests for SPSSC only.

b) Issuance of calls for ISSB / AHQ Selection Board in order of merit.

c) Tests / Interview at ISSB

Kohat / Malir / Gujarnwala for PC candidates (Met / Legal / A&SD / Accounts) and SPSSC Psychologists only.

d) IBM Programmers Aptitude Test for MDA candidates only.

e) Final Interview by AHQ Special Selection Board for SPSSC candidates.

f) Medical at CMB Masroor Karachi.

g) Final Selection in order of merit by Air Headquarters.

INELIGIBILITY:

a) Twice rejected / screened out by ISSB (PC candidates)

b) Twice rejected / screened out by ISSB for FA / FSc / BA / BSc and later on once for MA / MSc

Courses by ISSB or GHQ / NHQ / AHQ Selection Boards (SPSSC candidates).

c) Twice rejected / screened out by ISSB or GHQ / NHQ / AHQ Selection Boards for MA / MSc / BE /MBBS Courses (SPSSC candidates).

d) Declared Permanent Unit by CMB / CMH or Armed Forces Appeal Medical Board.

e) Dismissed from any Government Service OR withdrawn / rejected from any Service Training Institution.

f) Convicted by a court of law for an offence involving moral turpitude.

g) Whose original academic certificates are found tampered with.

h) Who conceal any information while filling in their application forms.

For further information

PAF official site

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How Not to Reform Universities ``THINGS HAPPEN EVERY WHERE ,YES EVEN INTHE PURE RAM RAJYA OF HINDUTVA ...SO DONT GET EXCITED ABOUT PAKISTANIS ALONE !!!!!!!``

Things happen everywhere, but you never see Indians hollering about what a bad place India is to live in. They are smarter than self proclaimed intellectuals in Pakistan, who have nothing better to do than create bad P.R. for their own country in the world.

While, the Indians keep quiete about the slums of Calcutta, and sing about the `romance`, and `spituality` of cow pooping dung on the street.

How Not to Reform Universities Dr. Hoodboy!!!

Why even waste your intellectual efforts on this hopeless hate site !!!

Shadowlines (Part I) Want to send this story to another AOL member? Click on the heart at the top of this window.

Indian experts doubt train torched from outside

AHMEDABAD, India, July 3 (Reuters) - Indian forensic experts have cast doubt on police statements that an arson attack on a train that triggered a wave of deadly religious violence was carried out by a Muslim mob hurling petrol.



A forensic report said the sleeping car in which 59 Hindus were burnt alive in late February in western Gujarat state was set ablaze inside. This contradicted the police version that the train caught fire when a crowd of Muslims threw buckets of petrol at it from outside.



``The inspection of the tracks and burning pattern on the exterior of the coach confirm the inflammable liquid did not come from outside,`` said the report obtained by Reuters on Wednesday.



The report by a Gujarat government state laboratory did not try to assign responsibility for the attack in Godhra, 150 km (95 miles) northwest of Ahmedabad, the province`s main city.



The pendulum of blame has swung wildly since the torching of the coach which set off a wave of reprisal killings in which officials say at least 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, lost their lives in India`s worst religious violence in a decade.



Human right groups put the death toll at over 2,500.



At first, the Hindu nationalist-led government suggested ``outside forces including the ISI`` -- the Inter-Services Intelligence agency of Pakistan with which India is locked in a military standoff -- could have been responsible.



There were also reports the attack in the market town could have been planned by militants fighting Indian rule in Kashmir and others who talked of a conspiracy by local Muslims.



The report was prepared by forensic experts who re-enacted the attack. It said at least 60 litres of inflammable liquid were splashed inside one end of a coach and set alight. If the liquid had been thrown from outside, the flames should have engulfed the coach from underneath.



In their re-enaction using water, the experts found only 10 to 15 percent of the liquid thrown from outside a coach went inside while the rest spilled onto the tracks.



The report also said three of the coach`s four doors were open at the time of the attack contrary to witness accounts that passengers locked the doors and windows to escape stone pelting.



The report forms part of a police chargesheet. Fifty-four people have been charged so far in connection with the attack.



A senior police official, who declined to be named, said the report would not be the ``sole factor determining the case. There are dozens of witnesses accounts which are equally important.``



07/03/02 13:30 ET

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Shadowlines (Part I) And I thought I was the only one with fantasies of `the homeland.`

My grand parents were driven out of Afghanistan by the grand parents of the Taliban. I could not understand why my father would use the choicest curses for the Pashtoon in the street, when I was fist fighting every Karachiite kid for calling me Pathan Lala.

The reality of the situation dawned on me when living in a Quetta suburb, surrounded by muhajireen squatters. There I saw the divide between the North and the South, and how they will never meet.

Babaa had promised to go trekking in the hills of Afghanistan, but he died before peace was ever restored. I was left with an unfulfilled fantasy, of visiting Afghanistan, of going to Kabul and Kandhahar, or what is left of it. I know it is a crazy dream, but I have to do this before the end.