A Journey Into Afghanistan
``Afghans have known only violence and plunder. They would come to India periodically to loot``
and leave behind the Taj Mahal, Shahi Masjid, Lal Qila, civilization.
Posted by
shahgul
Nov 5, 2001 01:18 pm
To Kafir K. Khan,``Afghans have known only violence and plunder. They would come to India periodically to loot``
and leave behind the Taj Mahal, Shahi Masjid, Lal Qila, civilization.
Whitman’s World
Why the Israelis revealing all US nuclear secrets?
By Nusrat Javeed
http://jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2001-daily/08-10-2001/main/main5.htm
ISLAMABAD: Some Islamabad-based diplomats from countries actively
supporting the US-led `war on terror` are not willing to confirm or refute
reports that US forces now located in Central Asia and ready to jump into
Afghanistan, have already been armed with ``tactical nuclear weapons.``
But Debka, an Israel-based news and intelligence analysis portal, is
already claiming that ``US nuclear weapons have been deployed in four
former Soviet Central Asian bases: the military air facility at Tuzel, 15
km (10 miles) northwest of the Uzbek capital, Tashkent; at Kagady in the
Termez region; in Khandabad, near the city of Karshi; and at the military
air base in Dushanbe (the capital of Tajikistan).``
Without specifying the mark, design and calibre of the said weapons, the
Israeli news portal only described the supposedly deployed weapons as:
``small neutron bombs, which emit strong radiation, nuclear mines, shells,
and other nuclear ammunition suited to commando warfare in mountainous
terrain.``
Analysts and strategists are wondering whether America was again on the
verge of becoming the first country to use neutron bombs, after it
acquired the infamy of dropping the first atom bomb in Japan, something it
finds embarrassing to live with even today.
Debka also claimed that the decision to deploy the tactical weapons,
before the US and its allied forces really move to get Osama and his
Al-Qaeda, had been agreed during the 70-minute conversation, the US
president had on phone with his Russian counterpart on September 23. The
News had already reported Thursday that as a consequence of the said talk,
Pushtu and the Dari speaking troops of Russia joined the Delta and Seal
commandos of the USA in crawling up to the heights of Pamir, where the US
and its allies are getting convinced Osama and his diehard loyalists are
maintaining a hi-tech and state of the art command and control center.
But Debka seems to believe that the Russian role in `war against terror`
is not limited to sharing intelligence on Osama and his possible hideouts
in Afghanistan. Lending some of its Pushtu and Dari speaking troops for
reaching these sites is not the end of the story either. The ``strategic
partnership`` between the arch-rivals of the cold war rather appears
growing on multiple fronts.
As quid-pro-quo to Russia`s agreeing on the deployment of tactical weapons
in areas, Moscow jealously considers its ``sphere of influence,`` Putin also
got ``no objections`` from President Bush for encircling independence
seeking Chechnya with ready-to-use tactical weapons. Debka even claims
that parallel to the deployment of tactical weapons by the USA in Central
Asian territory, Moscow had also completed putting the same kind of the
lethal material around Chechnya.
They are reported to have been deployed at ``Stavropol, northwest of
Chechnya, the Codowta base in the Georgian south, and Mozdok in northern
Osetia.`` Moscow and Washington are not willing to discuss a thing with
journalists, regarding their collaborative moves in `war against
terrorism.` Yet, Debka could claim to have it from unnamed ``military
sources`` that the USA would not be the first to use the nuclear weapons in
Afghanistan.
They are deployed for use, ``only in certain extreme circumstances,`` which
have been described like this: (1) To counter a move by bin Laden`s men to
bring out nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against the US forces
fighting inside Afghanistan. (2) In case of a chemical or biological
assault ``by the Taliban against Pakistan.`` (3) Should groups of bin
Laden`s Al-Qaeda network -- either in Central Asia or the Balkans -- wield
these weapons of mass destruction against US military targets or US
nuclear arms in other parts of the world. And (4), if using them is the
only way to save heavy American combat casualties.
With the condition of not named, a respected defence analyst of Pakistan
agreed with the claim that the US would only use the ``tactical weapons`` in
case of the ``extreme circumstances`` described above. Though, he wasn`t
very sure that the US had already completed the deployment of ``the
nuke-related goodies`` so close to Afghanistan. ``Hawks around Dick Cheney
(The US Vice President) are dying to nuke Afghanistan, no doubt. They ask
for it for assuaging the blind ire of the US public over the
suicide-hijack attacks of September 11, which the jingoistic media is
fuelling every minute.
But the use of the neutron bomb at Osama-related sites in Afghanistan may
only come in dismal circumstances,`` explained the expert. The US has a
variety of air-to-surface ``smart bombs,`` which can eliminate the smallest
concentration of the enemy troops without destroying the physical
structures and buildings around.
``But the radiation wouldn`t stop after elimination of the enemy troops,``
stressed the expert. In simple terms that means, the expert went on, ``the
US ground forces can`t land at spots where the smart bombs have been
dropped. At least for many months to come. Till, you get very sure that
radiation had completely stopped.``
Some other defence sources, The News talked to Sunday agreed with our
expert. ``After bombing the suspected hide outs of Osama and his group in
Afghanistan, the US needs to quickly land its ground troops at the bombed
spots. To check out whether Osama, or any of his dreaded lieutenant, is
really dead. The use of nuclear bombs, how `smart` they may be, would
cancel out the option of physically verifying whether Osama is really dead
by sifting through the dead bodies at the bombed spots,`` they all
believed.
To insist that the use of nuclear weapons in Afghanistan for getting Osama
was not the preferable option, some experts also referred to the Sunday
edition of The Observer, London. After briefed by the ``sources in the
intelligence community,`` the paper reported: ``An absolute priority (for
the US and its allied troops in Afghanistan) had to be placed on his
(Osama`s) delivery for trial in the US, or else production of a
forensically verifiable corpse.``
Instead of widespread military strikes against the Taliban regime of
Afghanistan, the Observer maintains, the US prefers to focus its act on
getting Osama. ``Officials in the Justice Department and intelligence
services believe that the bin Laden network, still operative in cells
across the globe, would implode if he were beheaded. Cut off the snake`s
head and the body shrivels up,`` reports the paper.
The focused moves of getting Osama, ``Dead or alive`` as the US president
had declared like a true Texan, do not cancel out the possibility of
deploying tactical weapons as part of the military build up in Central
Asia, however. Though the USSR is no more for almost a decade, almost each
leader of the newly liberated Central Asian states runs his country
through the Stalinist methods of ``total control.`` The notions of
transparency and free press are still too alien to these countries.
The governments of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are still not willing even to
officially confirm the news stories, reported by The Washington Post and
CNN, that over 1, 000 American light infantry troops had already landed in
Uzbekistan and Tajikistan for the ultimate objective of crossing into
Afghanistan.
No journalist should expect them to discuss reports, claiming the
deployment of tactical weapons on their soil, therefore. Yet, the eyes
trained to get solid hints to ``real stories`` by reading the fine print of
the news and articles printed in the Soviet press during the cold war
days, may get a sort of confirmation to reports that Osama-specific
tactical weapons had been deployed in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan through
analyzing a ``comment.``
Talking to Russian Public TV on October 2, Rustam Jumaev, the press
secretary of the Uzbek president denied ``rumours`` that the US Special
Forces had landed in Uzbekistan. But `denying` the said `rumors` he also
revealed: ``The men mistaken for special forces were, in fact, US customs
officers who were training Uzbek border troops in ways to prevent the
smuggling of nuclear weapons and radioactive material.`` He did not bother
to tell as to when, how and from where ``the US custom officers entered
Uzbekistan.`` The CIA-financed Radio Free Europe also made fun of the
`denials,` the Tajik government keeps issuing regarding the presence of
the US troops on its soil.
``In the process (of denying the troop deployment stories),`` said one of
its commentators in the weekly report on Central Asia Sunday, ``unwittingly
highlighted (are) the questions whether the (military) airport in
(Dushanbe), the largest in the country and host to a squadron of Russian
jets, was actually under Tajik control or joint Russian-Tajik
jurisdiction, as some Russian sources have indicated.``
The Radio went on: ``Last week Russian military officials in Tajikistan
made no bones about the fact that they were firmly in control of the
republic`s security, with announcements that 1,500 Russian soldiers were
being transferred from the Volga-Urals Military District to serve with the
201st Motor-Rifle Division based in Tajikistan, and that the Afghan-Tajik
border was being reinforced.``
Altogether 7,000 servicemen of the 201st Division have been present in
Tajikistan for many months. Coming of another 1,500 to this country almost
confirms The News story of Thursday that Pushtu and Dari speaking troops
of the same division had been detached to enter Afghanistan and crawl up
to the Pamir mountains, for reaching the suspected hideouts of Osama.
====
Posted by
shahgul
Oct 9, 2001 11:45 pm
Why the Israelis revealing all US nuclear secrets?
By Nusrat Javeed
http://jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2001-daily/08-10-2001/main/main5.htm
ISLAMABAD: Some Islamabad-based diplomats from countries actively
supporting the US-led `war on terror` are not willing to confirm or refute
reports that US forces now located in Central Asia and ready to jump into
Afghanistan, have already been armed with ``tactical nuclear weapons.``
But Debka, an Israel-based news and intelligence analysis portal, is
already claiming that ``US nuclear weapons have been deployed in four
former Soviet Central Asian bases: the military air facility at Tuzel, 15
km (10 miles) northwest of the Uzbek capital, Tashkent; at Kagady in the
Termez region; in Khandabad, near the city of Karshi; and at the military
air base in Dushanbe (the capital of Tajikistan).``
Without specifying the mark, design and calibre of the said weapons, the
Israeli news portal only described the supposedly deployed weapons as:
``small neutron bombs, which emit strong radiation, nuclear mines, shells,
and other nuclear ammunition suited to commando warfare in mountainous
terrain.``
Analysts and strategists are wondering whether America was again on the
verge of becoming the first country to use neutron bombs, after it
acquired the infamy of dropping the first atom bomb in Japan, something it
finds embarrassing to live with even today.
Debka also claimed that the decision to deploy the tactical weapons,
before the US and its allied forces really move to get Osama and his
Al-Qaeda, had been agreed during the 70-minute conversation, the US
president had on phone with his Russian counterpart on September 23. The
News had already reported Thursday that as a consequence of the said talk,
Pushtu and the Dari speaking troops of Russia joined the Delta and Seal
commandos of the USA in crawling up to the heights of Pamir, where the US
and its allies are getting convinced Osama and his diehard loyalists are
maintaining a hi-tech and state of the art command and control center.
But Debka seems to believe that the Russian role in `war against terror`
is not limited to sharing intelligence on Osama and his possible hideouts
in Afghanistan. Lending some of its Pushtu and Dari speaking troops for
reaching these sites is not the end of the story either. The ``strategic
partnership`` between the arch-rivals of the cold war rather appears
growing on multiple fronts.
As quid-pro-quo to Russia`s agreeing on the deployment of tactical weapons
in areas, Moscow jealously considers its ``sphere of influence,`` Putin also
got ``no objections`` from President Bush for encircling independence
seeking Chechnya with ready-to-use tactical weapons. Debka even claims
that parallel to the deployment of tactical weapons by the USA in Central
Asian territory, Moscow had also completed putting the same kind of the
lethal material around Chechnya.
They are reported to have been deployed at ``Stavropol, northwest of
Chechnya, the Codowta base in the Georgian south, and Mozdok in northern
Osetia.`` Moscow and Washington are not willing to discuss a thing with
journalists, regarding their collaborative moves in `war against
terrorism.` Yet, Debka could claim to have it from unnamed ``military
sources`` that the USA would not be the first to use the nuclear weapons in
Afghanistan.
They are deployed for use, ``only in certain extreme circumstances,`` which
have been described like this: (1) To counter a move by bin Laden`s men to
bring out nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against the US forces
fighting inside Afghanistan. (2) In case of a chemical or biological
assault ``by the Taliban against Pakistan.`` (3) Should groups of bin
Laden`s Al-Qaeda network -- either in Central Asia or the Balkans -- wield
these weapons of mass destruction against US military targets or US
nuclear arms in other parts of the world. And (4), if using them is the
only way to save heavy American combat casualties.
With the condition of not named, a respected defence analyst of Pakistan
agreed with the claim that the US would only use the ``tactical weapons`` in
case of the ``extreme circumstances`` described above. Though, he wasn`t
very sure that the US had already completed the deployment of ``the
nuke-related goodies`` so close to Afghanistan. ``Hawks around Dick Cheney
(The US Vice President) are dying to nuke Afghanistan, no doubt. They ask
for it for assuaging the blind ire of the US public over the
suicide-hijack attacks of September 11, which the jingoistic media is
fuelling every minute.
But the use of the neutron bomb at Osama-related sites in Afghanistan may
only come in dismal circumstances,`` explained the expert. The US has a
variety of air-to-surface ``smart bombs,`` which can eliminate the smallest
concentration of the enemy troops without destroying the physical
structures and buildings around.
``But the radiation wouldn`t stop after elimination of the enemy troops,``
stressed the expert. In simple terms that means, the expert went on, ``the
US ground forces can`t land at spots where the smart bombs have been
dropped. At least for many months to come. Till, you get very sure that
radiation had completely stopped.``
Some other defence sources, The News talked to Sunday agreed with our
expert. ``After bombing the suspected hide outs of Osama and his group in
Afghanistan, the US needs to quickly land its ground troops at the bombed
spots. To check out whether Osama, or any of his dreaded lieutenant, is
really dead. The use of nuclear bombs, how `smart` they may be, would
cancel out the option of physically verifying whether Osama is really dead
by sifting through the dead bodies at the bombed spots,`` they all
believed.
To insist that the use of nuclear weapons in Afghanistan for getting Osama
was not the preferable option, some experts also referred to the Sunday
edition of The Observer, London. After briefed by the ``sources in the
intelligence community,`` the paper reported: ``An absolute priority (for
the US and its allied troops in Afghanistan) had to be placed on his
(Osama`s) delivery for trial in the US, or else production of a
forensically verifiable corpse.``
Instead of widespread military strikes against the Taliban regime of
Afghanistan, the Observer maintains, the US prefers to focus its act on
getting Osama. ``Officials in the Justice Department and intelligence
services believe that the bin Laden network, still operative in cells
across the globe, would implode if he were beheaded. Cut off the snake`s
head and the body shrivels up,`` reports the paper.
The focused moves of getting Osama, ``Dead or alive`` as the US president
had declared like a true Texan, do not cancel out the possibility of
deploying tactical weapons as part of the military build up in Central
Asia, however. Though the USSR is no more for almost a decade, almost each
leader of the newly liberated Central Asian states runs his country
through the Stalinist methods of ``total control.`` The notions of
transparency and free press are still too alien to these countries.
The governments of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are still not willing even to
officially confirm the news stories, reported by The Washington Post and
CNN, that over 1, 000 American light infantry troops had already landed in
Uzbekistan and Tajikistan for the ultimate objective of crossing into
Afghanistan.
No journalist should expect them to discuss reports, claiming the
deployment of tactical weapons on their soil, therefore. Yet, the eyes
trained to get solid hints to ``real stories`` by reading the fine print of
the news and articles printed in the Soviet press during the cold war
days, may get a sort of confirmation to reports that Osama-specific
tactical weapons had been deployed in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan through
analyzing a ``comment.``
Talking to Russian Public TV on October 2, Rustam Jumaev, the press
secretary of the Uzbek president denied ``rumours`` that the US Special
Forces had landed in Uzbekistan. But `denying` the said `rumors` he also
revealed: ``The men mistaken for special forces were, in fact, US customs
officers who were training Uzbek border troops in ways to prevent the
smuggling of nuclear weapons and radioactive material.`` He did not bother
to tell as to when, how and from where ``the US custom officers entered
Uzbekistan.`` The CIA-financed Radio Free Europe also made fun of the
`denials,` the Tajik government keeps issuing regarding the presence of
the US troops on its soil.
``In the process (of denying the troop deployment stories),`` said one of
its commentators in the weekly report on Central Asia Sunday, ``unwittingly
highlighted (are) the questions whether the (military) airport in
(Dushanbe), the largest in the country and host to a squadron of Russian
jets, was actually under Tajik control or joint Russian-Tajik
jurisdiction, as some Russian sources have indicated.``
The Radio went on: ``Last week Russian military officials in Tajikistan
made no bones about the fact that they were firmly in control of the
republic`s security, with announcements that 1,500 Russian soldiers were
being transferred from the Volga-Urals Military District to serve with the
201st Motor-Rifle Division based in Tajikistan, and that the Afghan-Tajik
border was being reinforced.``
Altogether 7,000 servicemen of the 201st Division have been present in
Tajikistan for many months. Coming of another 1,500 to this country almost
confirms The News story of Thursday that Pushtu and Dari speaking troops
of the same division had been detached to enter Afghanistan and crawl up
to the Pamir mountains, for reaching the suspected hideouts of Osama.
====
Violent Changes
FACTS ABOUT ISRAEL
Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel?
Did you know that Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to
distinguish Jews from non-Jews?
Did you know that Jerusalem, both East and West, is considered by the
entire world community, including the United States, to be occupied
territory and NOT part of Israel?
Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews and
the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For
example in Hebron, 85% of the water is given to about 400 settlers,
while15% must be divided among Hebron``s 120,000 Palestinians?
Did you know the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year?
Did you know that yearly US aid to Israel exceeds the aid the US grants
to the whole African continent?
Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that has
nuclear weapons?
Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that
refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international
inspections from its sites?
Did you know that Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign
nations (Lebanon and Syria) in defiance of United Nations Security Council
resolutions?
Did you know that Israel has for decades routinely sent assassins into
other countries to kill its political enemies?
Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense
Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed
by the IDF?
Did you know that Israel refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have
acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
Did you know that Israel routinely confiscates bank accounts, businesses,
and land and refuses to pay compensation to those who suffer the
confiscation?
Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt
and attacked a U. S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding
177 American sailors?
Did you know that the second most powerful lobby in the United States,
according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders, is
the Israeli AIPAC?
Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security
Council Resolutions?
Did you know that today``s Israel sits on the former sites of more than
400 now-vanished Palestinian villages, and that the Israelis re-named
almost every physical site in the country to cover up the traces?
Did you know that it was not until 1988 that Israelis were barred from
running ``Jews Only`` job ads?
Did you know that four prime ministers of Israel (Begin, Shamir, Rabin,
and Sharon) have taken part in either bomb attacks on civilians, massacres
of civilians, or forced expulsions of civilians from their villages?
Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays two American public
relations firms to promote Israel to Americans?
Did you know that Sharon``s coalition government includes a party -
Molodet- which advocates expelling all Palestinians from the occupied
territories?
Did you know that Israel``s settlement building increased in the eight
years since Oslo?
Did you know that settlement building under Barak doubled compared to
settlement building under Netanyahu?
Did you know that Israel once dedicated a postage stamp to a man who
attacked a civilian bus and killed several people?
Did you know that recently declassified documents indicate that David
Ben-Gurion in at least some instances approved of the expulsion of
Palestinians in 1948? We often hear of Ehud Barak``s generosity about an
alleged return of 95% of the Palestinian Occupied Territories. When
Palestinians refused, they were blamed for ``missing an opportunity.``
Did you know that the Palestinians have already accepted Israel``s
existence on 78% of what was Palestine. Bible: God said to Abraham, ``Unto
thy seed, I will give thy land.`` Abraham had two sons. Ismael -the Arab
son, and Isaac -the Jewish son. So even if one wants to go to the Bible,
the land would belong to both.
Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the ``living
stones`` of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the
disciples of Jesus Christ?
Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel``s High Court of
Justice, torture has continued by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian
prisoners?
Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the
refugee population in the world?
WHAT WILL YOU DO ABOUT IT!? THE LEAST ANYONE CAN DO IS LET OTHERS KNOW!
Posted by
shahgul
Sep 29, 2001 10:25 am
FACTS ABOUT ISRAEL
Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel?
Did you know that Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to
distinguish Jews from non-Jews?
Did you know that Jerusalem, both East and West, is considered by the
entire world community, including the United States, to be occupied
territory and NOT part of Israel?
Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews and
the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For
example in Hebron, 85% of the water is given to about 400 settlers,
while15% must be divided among Hebron``s 120,000 Palestinians?
Did you know the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year?
Did you know that yearly US aid to Israel exceeds the aid the US grants
to the whole African continent?
Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that has
nuclear weapons?
Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that
refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international
inspections from its sites?
Did you know that Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign
nations (Lebanon and Syria) in defiance of United Nations Security Council
resolutions?
Did you know that Israel has for decades routinely sent assassins into
other countries to kill its political enemies?
Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense
Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed
by the IDF?
Did you know that Israel refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have
acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
Did you know that Israel routinely confiscates bank accounts, businesses,
and land and refuses to pay compensation to those who suffer the
confiscation?
Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt
and attacked a U. S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding
177 American sailors?
Did you know that the second most powerful lobby in the United States,
according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders, is
the Israeli AIPAC?
Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security
Council Resolutions?
Did you know that today``s Israel sits on the former sites of more than
400 now-vanished Palestinian villages, and that the Israelis re-named
almost every physical site in the country to cover up the traces?
Did you know that it was not until 1988 that Israelis were barred from
running ``Jews Only`` job ads?
Did you know that four prime ministers of Israel (Begin, Shamir, Rabin,
and Sharon) have taken part in either bomb attacks on civilians, massacres
of civilians, or forced expulsions of civilians from their villages?
Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays two American public
relations firms to promote Israel to Americans?
Did you know that Sharon``s coalition government includes a party -
Molodet- which advocates expelling all Palestinians from the occupied
territories?
Did you know that Israel``s settlement building increased in the eight
years since Oslo?
Did you know that settlement building under Barak doubled compared to
settlement building under Netanyahu?
Did you know that Israel once dedicated a postage stamp to a man who
attacked a civilian bus and killed several people?
Did you know that recently declassified documents indicate that David
Ben-Gurion in at least some instances approved of the expulsion of
Palestinians in 1948? We often hear of Ehud Barak``s generosity about an
alleged return of 95% of the Palestinian Occupied Territories. When
Palestinians refused, they were blamed for ``missing an opportunity.``
Did you know that the Palestinians have already accepted Israel``s
existence on 78% of what was Palestine. Bible: God said to Abraham, ``Unto
thy seed, I will give thy land.`` Abraham had two sons. Ismael -the Arab
son, and Isaac -the Jewish son. So even if one wants to go to the Bible,
the land would belong to both.
Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the ``living
stones`` of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the
disciples of Jesus Christ?
Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel``s High Court of
Justice, torture has continued by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian
prisoners?
Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the
refugee population in the world?
WHAT WILL YOU DO ABOUT IT!? THE LEAST ANYONE CAN DO IS LET OTHERS KNOW!
Explaining it to an American Friend
The Invisible Afghanistan
The Qur`an says, ``O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to
you with news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards
you become regretful for what you have done.`` [Al-Hujurat 49:6]
[Sayyid Rahmatullah Hashemi is the roving Ambassador from Afghanistan who
recently visited the US. The following is the edited version of the
transcription of a lecture given by him at the University Of Southern
California in Los Angeles, on March 10, 2001]
* - * - *
`` I was just coming from a meeting with a group of scholars, and the first
thing we started talking about there was the statues. And the first thing we
started talking about here was also the statues. It is very unfortunate how
little we see and how little we know. Nobody has seen the problems of
Afghanistan; nobody saw their problems before. And the only thing that
represents Afghanistan today are the statues.
Afghanistan is called the Crossroads of Asia. So, we are suffering because
of our geo-strategic location. We have suffered in the 18th century, 19th
century, and we are still suffering in this century. We have not attacked
the British. We have not attacked the Russians. It was them who attacked us.
So the problems in Afghanistan you see are not our creation.
The Soviet Invasion
The recent problems in Afghanistan started in 1979. Afghanistan was a
peaceful country. The Russians, along with their 140,000 troops attacked
Afghanistan in the December of 1979, just 21 years ago, stayed there for a
decade, killed one and a half million people, maimed one million more
people, and six million out of the eighteen million people migrated because
of the Russian brutalities. Even today, our children are dying because of
the landmines that they planted for us. And nobody knows about this.
After the Russians left during the Russian occupation, on the other side,
the American government, the British government, the French, the Chinese,
and all of the rest, supported the counter-revolutionaries called the
Mujahideen; There were seven parties only in Pakistan and eight parties in
Iran who fought the Russian occupation. And after the Russians left, these
parties went into Afghanistan. All of them had different ideologies, and a
lot of weapons. And instead of having a single administration, they fought
in Afghanistan. The destruction that they brought was worse than the
destruction the Russians brought. 63,000 people were only killed in the
capitol, Kabul. Another million people migrated because of this lawlessness.
The Beginning of Taliban
Seeing this destruction and lawlessness, a group of students called the
Taliban, i.e. a group of students (Taliban is the plural of student in our
language; it may be two students in Arabic, but in our language it means
students) started a movement called the Movement of Students. It first
started in a village in the southern province of Afghanistan, called
Kandahar. It happened when a war-lord, or a commander abducted two minor
girls and violated them. The parents of those girls went to a school and
asked the teacher of the school to help them. The teacher of that school,
along with his 53 students, finding only 16 guns, went and attacked the base
of that commander. After releasing those two girls, they hanged that
commander, and so many of his people were also hanged. This story was told
everywhere. BBC also quoted this story. Hearing this story, many other
students joined this movement and started disarming the rest of the
warlords. This same students movement now controls 95% of the country
including its capital. Only a bunch of those warlords are remaining in the
northern corridor of Afghanistan.
Our Achievements
We have been in government for only five years, and the following things
that we have done, and many of you may not know:
1.) The first thing we have done is reunifying the fragmented country.
Afghanistan was formerly fragmented into five parts. We unified it when
nobody else could do it.
2.) Second thing we have done, which everybody failed to do, was disarming
the population. After the war every Afghan got a Kalashnikov, and even
sophisticated weapons such as stinger missiles, and they even got fighter
planes and fighter helicopters. Disarming these people seemed to be
impossible. The United Nations in 1992 made an appeal asking for 3 billion
dollars to re-purchase those arms. And because of its impracticality, that
plan never materialized, and everybody forgot about Afghanistan. So the
second thing we have done is to disarm 95% of that country.
3.) The third thing that we have done is to establish a single
administration in Afghanistan, which did not exist for 10 years.
4.) The fourth achievement that we have that is surprising to everybody is
that we have eradicated 75% of world`s opium cultivation. Afghanistan
produced 75% of worlds opium. And last year we issued an edict asking the
people to stop growing opium, and this year, the United Nations Drug Control
Program, UNDCP, and their head, Mr. Barnard F. proudly announced that there
was 0% of opium cultivation. Zero, zilch, none at all.
Incidentally this was not good news for UN itself because many of them lost
their jobs. In the UNDCP, 700 so called experts were working there and they
got their salaries and they never went into Afghanistan. So when we issued
this edict, I know that they were not happy. And this year they lost their
jobs.
5.) The fifth achievement that we have, is the restoration of Human rights.
Now, you may think that we are involved in violation of Human Rights. The
reality is exactly the opposite. Among the fundamental rights of a human
being is the right to live. Before us, nobody could live peacefully in
Afghanistan.
The first thing we have done, is to give to the people a secure and peaceful
life. The second major thing that we have restored is to give them free and
fair justice; you don`t have to buy justice, unlike here. In Afghanistan
justice is free and readily available.
Women`s Rights
We have been criticized for violating women`s rights. Do you know what
happened before us? I can see some Afghans living here, and they will agree
with me, that in the rural areas of Afghanistan, women were used as animals.
They were sold actually. We stopped this abominable practice.
They didn`t use to have any say in the selection of their husbands. First
thing we have done is to let them choose their future.
Another thing that used to happen in Afghanistan was women were exchanged as
gifts. Of course, this was not something religious; this was something
cultural. When two fighting tribes wanted reconciliation, they would
exchange women. And this has been stopped.
Unlike what is generally said, women do work in Afghanistan. True that until
1996 when we captured the capital Kabul, we did ask women to stay home. It
didn`t mean that we wanted them to stay at home forever. We said that there
is no law, and there is no order, and you have to stay at home.
We disarmed the people, and we established law and order, and now women are
working. True, that women are not working in the ministry of defense, like
here. We don`t want our women to be fighter pilots, or to be used as objects
of decoration for advertisements. But they do work. They work in the
Ministry of Health, Interior, Ministry of Education, Ministry of Social
Affairs, and so on.
Similarly we don`t have any problem with women`s education. We have said
that we want education, and we will have education whether or not we are
under anybody`s pressure, because that is part of our belief. We are ordered
to do that. When we say that there should be segregated schools, it does not
mean that we don`t want our women to be educated. It is true that we are
against co-education; but it is not true that we are against women`s
education.
We do have schools even now, but the problem is the resources. We cannot
expand these programs. Before, our government numerous curriculums were
going on. There were curriculums that preached for the kings, curriculums
that preached for the communists, and curriculums from all the seven
parties. So, the students were confused as to what to study. We have started
to unify the curriculum and that is going on.
Recently we reopened the faculty of medical science in all major cities of
Afghanistan and in Kandahar. There are more girls students studying in the
faculty of medical sciences than boys are. But they are segregated. And the
Swedish committees have also established schools for girls. I know they are
not enough, but that is what we have been able to do.
Osama bin Laden
We are also accused of sponsoring terrorism. And for Americans terrorism or
terrorist means only bin Laden. Now you will not know that Afghanistan, or
bin Laden was in Afghanistan for 17 years before we even existed. Bin Laden
was in Afghanistan, fought the Soviet Union, and Mr. Ronald Reagan, the
president of America at that time, and Mr. Dick Cheney called such people
freedom fighters or the Heroes of Independence, because they were fighting
for their cause. And now when the Soviet Union is fragmented, such people
were not needed anymore, and they were transformed into terrorists. From
heroes to terrorists. This is exactly like Mr. Yasser Arafat who was
transformed from a terrorist to a hero.
What is the difference between those acts that bin Laden is blamed for and
the 1998 cruise missile attacks on Afghanistan. Neither of the two were
declared and both of them killed civilians. If it means killing civilians
blindly, both of them killed civilians blindly.
The United States government tried to kill a man without even giving him a
fair trial. In 1998, they just sent cruise missiles into Afghanistan and
they announced that they were trying to kill Osama bin Laden. We didn`t know
Osama bin Laden then. I didn`t know him; he was just a simple man. So we
were all shocked. I was one of those men who was sitting at home at night, I
was called for an immediate council meeting and we all were told the United
States had attacked Afghanistan. With 75 cruise missiles they tried to kill
one man. And they missed that man; killed 19 other students and never
apologized for those killings.
What would you do if you were in our situation. If we were to go and send 75
cruise missiles into the United States and say that we were going to kill a
man that we thought was responsible for our embassy, and we missed that man,
and we killed 19 other Americans what would the United States do? An instant
declaration of war. But we are polite. We did not declare war.
Our Proposals
Rather we have been very open-minded on this issue. We have said, that if
really this man is involved in the Kenya/Tanzania acts, if anybody can give
us proof or evidence about his involvement in these horrific acts, we will
punish him. Nobody gave us evidence. We put him on trial for 45 days and
nobody gave us any kind of evidence. The United States told us they did not
believe in our judicial system. We were surprised as to what kind of
judicial system they have? They just tried to kill a man without even giving
him a fair trial. Even if one of us is a criminal here, the police are not
going to blow his house; he must go to a court first.
So our first proposal was rejected. They said they do not believe in our
judicial system, and we must extradite him to New York. After the rejection
of this first proposal was we said we were ready to accept an international
monitoring group to come into Afghanistan and monitor this man`s activities
in Afghanistan. So that he does nothing. Even that he has no
telecommunications. That proposal was also rejected.
The third proposal we gave, six months ago, was that we were ready to try or
accept the trial of Osama bin Laden in a third Islamic country, with the
consent of Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. That was also rejected.
We are still very open minded. And for the fourth time, I m here, with a
letter from my leadership that I m going to submit to the state department
hoping that they will resolve the problem. But I don`t think that they will.
Because we think, and I personally think now that maybe the United States is
looking for a boogey man always. Remember what Gorbachev said? He said, that
he`s going to do the worst thing ever to the United States. And everybody
thought that he`s going to blow the United States with nuclear weapons. But
he said, I m going to remove their enemy. And then he fragmented Soviet
Union. And he was right. After he fragmented Soviet Union, a lot of people
lost their jobs in the Pentagon, in the CIA, and the FBI, because they were
not needed anymore. So we think that maybe these guys are looking for a
boogey man now. Maybe they want to justify their annual budget, maybe they
want to make their citizens feel that they are still needed to defend them.
Afghanistan is not a terrorist state; we cannot even make a needle. How are
we going to be a terrorist state? How are we going to be a threat to the
world? If the world terrorism is really derived from the word terror, then
there are countries making weapons of mass destruction, countries making
nuclear weapons, they are terrorist states; we are not.
Sanctions
Now, we are under sanctions. And the sanctions have caused a lot of
problems. Despite that we already had been going through so many problems---
the 23 years of continuous war, the total destruction of our infrastructure,
and the problem of refugees, and the problem of land mines in our
agricultural lands --- all of a sudden the United Nations, with the
provocation of Russia, is imposing sanctions on Afghanistan. And the
sanctions have been approved; we are under sanctions. Several hundred
children died a month ago. Seven hundred children died because of
malnutrition and the severe cold weather. Nobody even talked about that.
Everybody knows about the statues.
Renovating Statues as People Die
When the world is destroying our future with economic sanctions, then they
have no right to worry about our past. I called my headquarters, I asked
them, why are they going to blow the statues, and I talked to the head of
the council of scholars of people, who had actually decided this, he told me
that UNESCO and an NGO from Sweden, or from one of these Scandinavian
countries Norway, Sweden, one of these they had actually come, with a
project of rebuilding the face of these statues, which have worn by rain.
The council of people told them to spend that money in saving the lives of
these children, instead of spending it to restore these statues. And these
guys said, ``No, this money is only for the statues.`` And the people were
really pissed off. They said that, If you don t care about our children, we
are going to blow those statues.
If you were in such a situation what would you do? If your children are
dying in front of your eyes, and you are under sanctions, and then the same
people who have imposed sanctions and are coming and building statues here?
What would you do?
Kofi Annan
And there is Kofi Annan. You know Kofi Annan, the Secretary General of
United Nations? He went to Pakistan, and he said he is going to meet our
representative there. This man never bothered to come, to talk about these
children, he never bothered himself to talk about six million refugees, and
he never talked about the poverty of Afghanistan. He only goes to that
region because of these statues.
It is really, really ridiculous. These people do not care about children,
about people who are dying there, about the foreign interference that still
exists; they only care about the statues. And I am sure they don`t care
about our heritage. They only care about their picnic site one time. Maybe
they`ll have a good picnic site there, seeing those statues.
And I`m sure these sanctions which are imposed on our government will never
change us, because for us, our ideology is everything. To try to change our
ideology with economic sanctions will never work. It may work in the United
States, where the economy is everything, but for us, our ideology is
everything. And we believe that it is better to die for something than to
live for nothing.
Posted by
shahgul
Sep 23, 2001 11:13 am
What the Other Side has to sayThe Invisible Afghanistan
The Qur`an says, ``O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to
you with news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards
you become regretful for what you have done.`` [Al-Hujurat 49:6]
[Sayyid Rahmatullah Hashemi is the roving Ambassador from Afghanistan who
recently visited the US. The following is the edited version of the
transcription of a lecture given by him at the University Of Southern
California in Los Angeles, on March 10, 2001]
* - * - *
`` I was just coming from a meeting with a group of scholars, and the first
thing we started talking about there was the statues. And the first thing we
started talking about here was also the statues. It is very unfortunate how
little we see and how little we know. Nobody has seen the problems of
Afghanistan; nobody saw their problems before. And the only thing that
represents Afghanistan today are the statues.
Afghanistan is called the Crossroads of Asia. So, we are suffering because
of our geo-strategic location. We have suffered in the 18th century, 19th
century, and we are still suffering in this century. We have not attacked
the British. We have not attacked the Russians. It was them who attacked us.
So the problems in Afghanistan you see are not our creation.
The Soviet Invasion
The recent problems in Afghanistan started in 1979. Afghanistan was a
peaceful country. The Russians, along with their 140,000 troops attacked
Afghanistan in the December of 1979, just 21 years ago, stayed there for a
decade, killed one and a half million people, maimed one million more
people, and six million out of the eighteen million people migrated because
of the Russian brutalities. Even today, our children are dying because of
the landmines that they planted for us. And nobody knows about this.
After the Russians left during the Russian occupation, on the other side,
the American government, the British government, the French, the Chinese,
and all of the rest, supported the counter-revolutionaries called the
Mujahideen; There were seven parties only in Pakistan and eight parties in
Iran who fought the Russian occupation. And after the Russians left, these
parties went into Afghanistan. All of them had different ideologies, and a
lot of weapons. And instead of having a single administration, they fought
in Afghanistan. The destruction that they brought was worse than the
destruction the Russians brought. 63,000 people were only killed in the
capitol, Kabul. Another million people migrated because of this lawlessness.
The Beginning of Taliban
Seeing this destruction and lawlessness, a group of students called the
Taliban, i.e. a group of students (Taliban is the plural of student in our
language; it may be two students in Arabic, but in our language it means
students) started a movement called the Movement of Students. It first
started in a village in the southern province of Afghanistan, called
Kandahar. It happened when a war-lord, or a commander abducted two minor
girls and violated them. The parents of those girls went to a school and
asked the teacher of the school to help them. The teacher of that school,
along with his 53 students, finding only 16 guns, went and attacked the base
of that commander. After releasing those two girls, they hanged that
commander, and so many of his people were also hanged. This story was told
everywhere. BBC also quoted this story. Hearing this story, many other
students joined this movement and started disarming the rest of the
warlords. This same students movement now controls 95% of the country
including its capital. Only a bunch of those warlords are remaining in the
northern corridor of Afghanistan.
Our Achievements
We have been in government for only five years, and the following things
that we have done, and many of you may not know:
1.) The first thing we have done is reunifying the fragmented country.
Afghanistan was formerly fragmented into five parts. We unified it when
nobody else could do it.
2.) Second thing we have done, which everybody failed to do, was disarming
the population. After the war every Afghan got a Kalashnikov, and even
sophisticated weapons such as stinger missiles, and they even got fighter
planes and fighter helicopters. Disarming these people seemed to be
impossible. The United Nations in 1992 made an appeal asking for 3 billion
dollars to re-purchase those arms. And because of its impracticality, that
plan never materialized, and everybody forgot about Afghanistan. So the
second thing we have done is to disarm 95% of that country.
3.) The third thing that we have done is to establish a single
administration in Afghanistan, which did not exist for 10 years.
4.) The fourth achievement that we have that is surprising to everybody is
that we have eradicated 75% of world`s opium cultivation. Afghanistan
produced 75% of worlds opium. And last year we issued an edict asking the
people to stop growing opium, and this year, the United Nations Drug Control
Program, UNDCP, and their head, Mr. Barnard F. proudly announced that there
was 0% of opium cultivation. Zero, zilch, none at all.
Incidentally this was not good news for UN itself because many of them lost
their jobs. In the UNDCP, 700 so called experts were working there and they
got their salaries and they never went into Afghanistan. So when we issued
this edict, I know that they were not happy. And this year they lost their
jobs.
5.) The fifth achievement that we have, is the restoration of Human rights.
Now, you may think that we are involved in violation of Human Rights. The
reality is exactly the opposite. Among the fundamental rights of a human
being is the right to live. Before us, nobody could live peacefully in
Afghanistan.
The first thing we have done, is to give to the people a secure and peaceful
life. The second major thing that we have restored is to give them free and
fair justice; you don`t have to buy justice, unlike here. In Afghanistan
justice is free and readily available.
Women`s Rights
We have been criticized for violating women`s rights. Do you know what
happened before us? I can see some Afghans living here, and they will agree
with me, that in the rural areas of Afghanistan, women were used as animals.
They were sold actually. We stopped this abominable practice.
They didn`t use to have any say in the selection of their husbands. First
thing we have done is to let them choose their future.
Another thing that used to happen in Afghanistan was women were exchanged as
gifts. Of course, this was not something religious; this was something
cultural. When two fighting tribes wanted reconciliation, they would
exchange women. And this has been stopped.
Unlike what is generally said, women do work in Afghanistan. True that until
1996 when we captured the capital Kabul, we did ask women to stay home. It
didn`t mean that we wanted them to stay at home forever. We said that there
is no law, and there is no order, and you have to stay at home.
We disarmed the people, and we established law and order, and now women are
working. True, that women are not working in the ministry of defense, like
here. We don`t want our women to be fighter pilots, or to be used as objects
of decoration for advertisements. But they do work. They work in the
Ministry of Health, Interior, Ministry of Education, Ministry of Social
Affairs, and so on.
Similarly we don`t have any problem with women`s education. We have said
that we want education, and we will have education whether or not we are
under anybody`s pressure, because that is part of our belief. We are ordered
to do that. When we say that there should be segregated schools, it does not
mean that we don`t want our women to be educated. It is true that we are
against co-education; but it is not true that we are against women`s
education.
We do have schools even now, but the problem is the resources. We cannot
expand these programs. Before, our government numerous curriculums were
going on. There were curriculums that preached for the kings, curriculums
that preached for the communists, and curriculums from all the seven
parties. So, the students were confused as to what to study. We have started
to unify the curriculum and that is going on.
Recently we reopened the faculty of medical science in all major cities of
Afghanistan and in Kandahar. There are more girls students studying in the
faculty of medical sciences than boys are. But they are segregated. And the
Swedish committees have also established schools for girls. I know they are
not enough, but that is what we have been able to do.
Osama bin Laden
We are also accused of sponsoring terrorism. And for Americans terrorism or
terrorist means only bin Laden. Now you will not know that Afghanistan, or
bin Laden was in Afghanistan for 17 years before we even existed. Bin Laden
was in Afghanistan, fought the Soviet Union, and Mr. Ronald Reagan, the
president of America at that time, and Mr. Dick Cheney called such people
freedom fighters or the Heroes of Independence, because they were fighting
for their cause. And now when the Soviet Union is fragmented, such people
were not needed anymore, and they were transformed into terrorists. From
heroes to terrorists. This is exactly like Mr. Yasser Arafat who was
transformed from a terrorist to a hero.
What is the difference between those acts that bin Laden is blamed for and
the 1998 cruise missile attacks on Afghanistan. Neither of the two were
declared and both of them killed civilians. If it means killing civilians
blindly, both of them killed civilians blindly.
The United States government tried to kill a man without even giving him a
fair trial. In 1998, they just sent cruise missiles into Afghanistan and
they announced that they were trying to kill Osama bin Laden. We didn`t know
Osama bin Laden then. I didn`t know him; he was just a simple man. So we
were all shocked. I was one of those men who was sitting at home at night, I
was called for an immediate council meeting and we all were told the United
States had attacked Afghanistan. With 75 cruise missiles they tried to kill
one man. And they missed that man; killed 19 other students and never
apologized for those killings.
What would you do if you were in our situation. If we were to go and send 75
cruise missiles into the United States and say that we were going to kill a
man that we thought was responsible for our embassy, and we missed that man,
and we killed 19 other Americans what would the United States do? An instant
declaration of war. But we are polite. We did not declare war.
Our Proposals
Rather we have been very open-minded on this issue. We have said, that if
really this man is involved in the Kenya/Tanzania acts, if anybody can give
us proof or evidence about his involvement in these horrific acts, we will
punish him. Nobody gave us evidence. We put him on trial for 45 days and
nobody gave us any kind of evidence. The United States told us they did not
believe in our judicial system. We were surprised as to what kind of
judicial system they have? They just tried to kill a man without even giving
him a fair trial. Even if one of us is a criminal here, the police are not
going to blow his house; he must go to a court first.
So our first proposal was rejected. They said they do not believe in our
judicial system, and we must extradite him to New York. After the rejection
of this first proposal was we said we were ready to accept an international
monitoring group to come into Afghanistan and monitor this man`s activities
in Afghanistan. So that he does nothing. Even that he has no
telecommunications. That proposal was also rejected.
The third proposal we gave, six months ago, was that we were ready to try or
accept the trial of Osama bin Laden in a third Islamic country, with the
consent of Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. That was also rejected.
We are still very open minded. And for the fourth time, I m here, with a
letter from my leadership that I m going to submit to the state department
hoping that they will resolve the problem. But I don`t think that they will.
Because we think, and I personally think now that maybe the United States is
looking for a boogey man always. Remember what Gorbachev said? He said, that
he`s going to do the worst thing ever to the United States. And everybody
thought that he`s going to blow the United States with nuclear weapons. But
he said, I m going to remove their enemy. And then he fragmented Soviet
Union. And he was right. After he fragmented Soviet Union, a lot of people
lost their jobs in the Pentagon, in the CIA, and the FBI, because they were
not needed anymore. So we think that maybe these guys are looking for a
boogey man now. Maybe they want to justify their annual budget, maybe they
want to make their citizens feel that they are still needed to defend them.
Afghanistan is not a terrorist state; we cannot even make a needle. How are
we going to be a terrorist state? How are we going to be a threat to the
world? If the world terrorism is really derived from the word terror, then
there are countries making weapons of mass destruction, countries making
nuclear weapons, they are terrorist states; we are not.
Sanctions
Now, we are under sanctions. And the sanctions have caused a lot of
problems. Despite that we already had been going through so many problems---
the 23 years of continuous war, the total destruction of our infrastructure,
and the problem of refugees, and the problem of land mines in our
agricultural lands --- all of a sudden the United Nations, with the
provocation of Russia, is imposing sanctions on Afghanistan. And the
sanctions have been approved; we are under sanctions. Several hundred
children died a month ago. Seven hundred children died because of
malnutrition and the severe cold weather. Nobody even talked about that.
Everybody knows about the statues.
Renovating Statues as People Die
When the world is destroying our future with economic sanctions, then they
have no right to worry about our past. I called my headquarters, I asked
them, why are they going to blow the statues, and I talked to the head of
the council of scholars of people, who had actually decided this, he told me
that UNESCO and an NGO from Sweden, or from one of these Scandinavian
countries Norway, Sweden, one of these they had actually come, with a
project of rebuilding the face of these statues, which have worn by rain.
The council of people told them to spend that money in saving the lives of
these children, instead of spending it to restore these statues. And these
guys said, ``No, this money is only for the statues.`` And the people were
really pissed off. They said that, If you don t care about our children, we
are going to blow those statues.
If you were in such a situation what would you do? If your children are
dying in front of your eyes, and you are under sanctions, and then the same
people who have imposed sanctions and are coming and building statues here?
What would you do?
Kofi Annan
And there is Kofi Annan. You know Kofi Annan, the Secretary General of
United Nations? He went to Pakistan, and he said he is going to meet our
representative there. This man never bothered to come, to talk about these
children, he never bothered himself to talk about six million refugees, and
he never talked about the poverty of Afghanistan. He only goes to that
region because of these statues.
It is really, really ridiculous. These people do not care about children,
about people who are dying there, about the foreign interference that still
exists; they only care about the statues. And I am sure they don`t care
about our heritage. They only care about their picnic site one time. Maybe
they`ll have a good picnic site there, seeing those statues.
And I`m sure these sanctions which are imposed on our government will never
change us, because for us, our ideology is everything. To try to change our
ideology with economic sanctions will never work. It may work in the United
States, where the economy is everything, but for us, our ideology is
everything. And we believe that it is better to die for something than to
live for nothing.
Breaking News: September 11, 2001
It is one thing tying a bomb to yourself and ramming driving a truck into a facility, or ramming a warship,and another thing carrying out such a concerted, organized, efficient military operation.
Four planes get hijacked simultaneously, three of them hit their intended targets simultaneously. Ther was planning, and execution and training carried out by professionals.
The Arabs or Afghanis don`t have the discipline or intelligence to do that.
I believe, it was done by retired veterans of the US armed forces or the Israeli intelligence to give Muslims a bad name.
Posted by
shahgul
Sep 12, 2001 12:07 am
This was no terrorist attack. It was a commando operation by trained military.It is one thing tying a bomb to yourself and ramming driving a truck into a facility, or ramming a warship,and another thing carrying out such a concerted, organized, efficient military operation.
Four planes get hijacked simultaneously, three of them hit their intended targets simultaneously. Ther was planning, and execution and training carried out by professionals.
The Arabs or Afghanis don`t have the discipline or intelligence to do that.
I believe, it was done by retired veterans of the US armed forces or the Israeli intelligence to give Muslims a bad name.
Breaking News: September 11, 2001
Posted by
shahgul
Sep 11, 2001 07:12 pm
Osama has not claimed it!!!
Big Boobs
Yes, a young girl would feel guilty, dirty, unclean, blame herself, etc. but that is the end of it.
After a while you will learn to deal with it.
The casual groper or ``talla`` marne walla (in female lingo) is a coward. Learn some choice curse words. Let go at full throat, in Punjabi if possible. Very suitable language for this kind of communication. As soon as you raise your voice, he will melt into thin air.
Keep a non-lethal weapon ready when you go out. I always used a loaded kit-bag ready, specially walking through Empress Market (worst offening area, St. Josephines will attest). The trick was to watch out, anticipate a possible ``talla mar``, and before he gets to you, bang him real good with the kit-bag.
Walk fast, and don`t look scared. They are looking for victims. Don`t look vulnerable.
Don`t lose your sense of humor. Talk to your friends about it. It will become easy.
Posted by
shahgul
Aug 22, 2001 01:56 am
Been there done that.Yes, a young girl would feel guilty, dirty, unclean, blame herself, etc. but that is the end of it.
After a while you will learn to deal with it.
The casual groper or ``talla`` marne walla (in female lingo) is a coward. Learn some choice curse words. Let go at full throat, in Punjabi if possible. Very suitable language for this kind of communication. As soon as you raise your voice, he will melt into thin air.
Keep a non-lethal weapon ready when you go out. I always used a loaded kit-bag ready, specially walking through Empress Market (worst offening area, St. Josephines will attest). The trick was to watch out, anticipate a possible ``talla mar``, and before he gets to you, bang him real good with the kit-bag.
Walk fast, and don`t look scared. They are looking for victims. Don`t look vulnerable.
Don`t lose your sense of humor. Talk to your friends about it. It will become easy.
A Medley of Internal Contradictions
One thing is becoming clear. You are digging out filth with both hands.
Don`t you people have a life?
If you are so concerned about social injustice, why not dig it out at home?
Why even look across the border?
Unless it is a concsious campaign to malign Pakistan.
Posted by
shahgul
Jul 23, 2001 10:27 am
Veeresh,One thing is becoming clear. You are digging out filth with both hands.
Don`t you people have a life?
If you are so concerned about social injustice, why not dig it out at home?
Why even look across the border?
Unless it is a concsious campaign to malign Pakistan.
A Medley of Internal Contradictions
I see that you have missed out on learning your manners somewhere.
Believe it or not, while your God is helpless in generating power, or building roads, etc., mine is all powerful, omnipotent and omniscient.
Yes, He does all that
Posted by
shahgul
Jul 21, 2001 08:49 pm
Dear Mr./Ms. Saxena,I see that you have missed out on learning your manners somewhere.
Believe it or not, while your God is helpless in generating power, or building roads, etc., mine is all powerful, omnipotent and omniscient.
Yes, He does all that
A Medley of Internal Contradictions
``Unfortunately, in Pakistan, ... the majority of public not ready to accept the supremacy of constitution over the “rules of God” ....``
This is not a contradiction.
The contradiction is, that, when the majority wants `rules of God`, then why did the minority impose on them a constitution that is based on other principals?
You think that Riba will make Pakistan strong?
Why don`t you visit the bankruptcy courts in the US, and find out what Riba has done to this economy?
Posted by
shahgul
Jul 21, 2001 04:25 am
You wrote:``Unfortunately, in Pakistan, ... the majority of public not ready to accept the supremacy of constitution over the “rules of God” ....``
This is not a contradiction.
The contradiction is, that, when the majority wants `rules of God`, then why did the minority impose on them a constitution that is based on other principals?
You think that Riba will make Pakistan strong?
Why don`t you visit the bankruptcy courts in the US, and find out what Riba has done to this economy?
Agra Summit and the Camera Assistant
The smart Dille Wala duped the Indians to provide him a visa for a visit back home, and at their own expense.
That is what it was all about.
Posted by
shahgul
Jul 18, 2001 01:25 am
Yaro! You all missed the point.The smart Dille Wala duped the Indians to provide him a visa for a visit back home, and at their own expense.
That is what it was all about.
White Charade
You sent a chill down my spine. I would have believed you were there,but for a few historical mistakes:
To set the record straight:
This event took place in late 1985 or early 1986. At this time, there was no `Prime Minister`. Ziaul Haq was the President.
The girls did not live in Drigh Colony. They lived in North Karachi.
I think their father was shot to death. So no one knew what really happened.
There were no MQM exhtortionists at that time. This event was actually the launch pad for MQM.
The girls were not found in Makli, Thatta. They were found at Chokhandi.
Posted by
shahgul
Jun 24, 2001 08:05 am
Good Try!!You sent a chill down my spine. I would have believed you were there,but for a few historical mistakes:
To set the record straight:
This event took place in late 1985 or early 1986. At this time, there was no `Prime Minister`. Ziaul Haq was the President.
The girls did not live in Drigh Colony. They lived in North Karachi.
I think their father was shot to death. So no one knew what really happened.
There were no MQM exhtortionists at that time. This event was actually the launch pad for MQM.
The girls were not found in Makli, Thatta. They were found at Chokhandi.
The Dream
If you have watched the movie, `Prem Rog`, in which a young widow is raped by her brother-in-law, would you in honesty, conclude that all Indian brothers in law treat their sisters-in-law the same way? I don`t think so!
Therefore, it is unfair to come to such a conclusion from a piece of fiction about `The Lan d of the Pure`.
To the writer: You tried your best to condemn others of their sins, but succeeded only in exposing yourself as part and parcel of the same society.
You senteced the heroine to death, because she was raped. Honor killing???
Your mind could not concieve `life after rape`, where she could redeem what she had lost. Avenge herself. Defeat her enemies. No, she was raped, so she had to die a sudden and meaningless death
Posted by
shahgul
Jul 28, 2000 03:58 am
It is unfair to evoke the name of the `Land of the Pure` in connection with every fictional account of rape. Let us look at this in this context: If you have watched the movie, `Prem Rog`, in which a young widow is raped by her brother-in-law, would you in honesty, conclude that all Indian brothers in law treat their sisters-in-law the same way? I don`t think so!
Therefore, it is unfair to come to such a conclusion from a piece of fiction about `The Lan d of the Pure`.
To the writer: You tried your best to condemn others of their sins, but succeeded only in exposing yourself as part and parcel of the same society.
You senteced the heroine to death, because she was raped. Honor killing???
Your mind could not concieve `life after rape`, where she could redeem what she had lost. Avenge herself. Defeat her enemies. No, she was raped, so she had to die a sudden and meaningless death
Miss India, Huma, and my photo
Posted by
shahgul
Jul 5, 2000 01:26 am
How true! No need to say any more.
He had no Choice!
You sound very idealistic. Don`t get disappointed if your dream is not fulfilled. Power is not seized with reform in mind. Power is seized with `power` in mind.
The question is, are we going to see another rerun of the Zia era, where freedom of speach would be labelled as `dissaffection` for the army?
Where people would have to vote on a referendum, stating that if they believe in Allah, and Rasool, then they believe in the present ruler?
Where people would be flogged in public for criticizing the government, and it would be called an Islamic punishment?
Neither you, nor I know the answers, so don`t get too excited.
Posted by
shahgul
Oct 15, 1999 08:37 pm
Bilal,You sound very idealistic. Don`t get disappointed if your dream is not fulfilled. Power is not seized with reform in mind. Power is seized with `power` in mind.
The question is, are we going to see another rerun of the Zia era, where freedom of speach would be labelled as `dissaffection` for the army?
Where people would have to vote on a referendum, stating that if they believe in Allah, and Rasool, then they believe in the present ruler?
Where people would be flogged in public for criticizing the government, and it would be called an Islamic punishment?
Neither you, nor I know the answers, so don`t get too excited.
Days and Nights on the Grand Trunk Road: A Review
From Alexander to Muhammed bin Qasim to Mahmood Ghaznavi, all travellers came from the West and travelled East.
Posted by
shahgul
Oct 11, 1999 01:51 am
The journey seems unique also, because most traditional travel took place West to East historically.From Alexander to Muhammed bin Qasim to Mahmood Ghaznavi, all travellers came from the West and travelled East.
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