Last Rites in Kashmir or a New Journey? Re: # 300 harish ``But all that impotent rage tells us exactly the opposite, you`re losing sleep, and badly at that. Not for nothing are you squirming, you fcuking hijRa, and the sooner you admit it, the better you`ll sleep.``

If we`re going to have a friken slanging match, can`t you try to be a bit more creative in your insults instead of repeating the same old crap, you mindless moron?

Last Rites in Kashmir or a New Journey? Re: # 301 harish ``Funny, coming as it does from a Paki. You folks have turned denial into such a fine art, if Goebbels were alive today, he would be ashamed of himself. ``

HAHAHAHAHA...No Paki or Geoebells can match Indian levels of self-delusion:

``I wish to draw your attention to broadcast on Kashmir which l made last evening. have stated our
Government`s policy and made it clear that we have no desire to impose our will on Kashmir but to
leave final decision to people of Kashmir. l further stated that we have agreed on impartial
international agency like United Nation`, supervising any referendum.``

Pandit Nehru PM of India to Liaqat Ali Khan

Advani in Karachi Manto-ji, Jinnah`s creation, Pakistan, is going to the dogs and you are more interested in sparking debate about Jinnah himself? His creation Pakistan is (yet again) ruled by a ruthless martial law dictator who will do anything to promote his personal interests, even pimp the county`s armed forces out to the highest bidder, bomb Pakistanis in their own country, tear down their homes and schools, and, above all, sell Kashmir, uptill now the sacred cause, to the Indian enemy, and all you are worried about is Jinnah`s reputation?? Don`t you think you`ve got your priorities a little mixed up?

Last Rites in Kashmir or a New Journey? Re: # 296 Some deranged Madrasi wrote ``Suffice it to say that it gives Indians great pleasure to see Pakis squirm and seethe with impotent rage (despite protestations to the contrary) without having the means (or the balls) to change anything on the ground. ``


I tell you I consider Pakistan (as well as India) as nothing more than an accident of history and a failed state. That I find its ideological moorings repellant and many of its action since 1947 even more repellant. I tell you the Kashmiris have themselves to blame for their occupationa nd oppression by India and that I won`t lose a moment`s sleep over what India is doing to them....BUT...YOU...in your infinite sambar eating olly-haried butt-ugly Madrasi wisdom, somehow know better??? Are you fukin mindreader or something?


``Suffice it to say that it gives Indians great pleasure to see Pakis squirm and seethe with impotent rage (despite protestations to the contrary) without having the means (or the balls) to change anything on the ground. ``

My ``rage`` is against arrogant little Indian Nazis like you and Jang. And it sure has hell ain`t impotent. Just check out the lashings on your skinny black Indian arse.


Now you join that fuddu Jang, and fukkk off too.

Advani in Karachi #557


Manto, don`t kid yourself about Advani. He made a smart move that keeps things going smoothly until that Dhala from Dhili, the Pimp in Pindi, the Rental General Pervaiz Musharaf delivers to India a ``solution`` in Kashmir beyond their wildest dreams.

Your patriotism for this failed state Pakistan aka ``rent-an-army`` is SO misplaced, brother. It`s time for Punjabis to look beyond Pakistan now.

Last Rites in Kashmir or a New Journey? Re: # 292 paghal kuttay, beleive me I won`t lose a second of sleep if the Kashmiris never get their freedom from their Indian occupiers and oppressors. They have to take full responsiblity for the situation they are in. You get what you deserve in this world. Why the hell did they trust India in the first place? Big, big mistake. Now pay the price for it.

But you, my butt ugly Madrasi friend, should feel ashamed of yourself boasting about oppressing and occpying the Kashmiris like that. This is the twenty first, not the first, century we are in now.

Last Rites in Kashmir or a New Journey? Re: # 289 Jang

You are an A-class choootiya. Who do you think you are fooling with these crocodile tears? Your Army demolishes the Golden Temple complex, the holiest site of your ``Sikh brothers``, even Abdali and the Turko-Aghans never dreamed of doing such a thorough demolition job. Then Indian mobs turn on innocent Sikhs all over that hellhole of a country mericilessly murdering and raping people your ``Sikh brothers``. When your ``sikh brothers`` fight back your army launches a savage 10 year mililtary campaign that leaves a quarter of a million of your ``Sikh brothers`` dead, and most of the rest embittered and eternally aliented from India.

But at least East Punjab is legally a part of India, your country`s behaviour in Indian occupied Kashmir is even more disgraceful. Your PM Nehru cons your ``Kashmiri brothers`` into thinking he is their friend who has no ulterior motive and just wants to ``protect`` them from Pakistan. Once his army invades the state your country makes all kinds of pledges to the ``Kashmiris brothers`` and the world to settle the dispute in a honourable fashion according the wishes of your ``Kashmiri brothers``. But then you start backtracking and rigging elections and installing puppet governments to avoid honouring your pledges to your ``Kashmiri brothers`` When finally after nearly half a century of waiting your ``Kashmiris brothers`` get sick of all this and demand you leave their country you lanuch another mericless and savage milliary campaign against your ``Kashmir brothers`` that has so far left hundreds of thousand dead, maimed or traumatized.

You are a fuckin disgrace and your country is a fuckin disgrace. Now fok off.

Last Rites in Kashmir or a New Journey? Re: # 288

Hello Humsab ji, how are you? Vaisay, beating Indians up on Kashmir is a very easy source of fun and amusement, and I enjoy it, so why not? . Pandit Nehru provided us with lots of ammunation. I sometimes wonder whose side he was on. Or that if he really was deciving Sheikh Abbullah and the Kashmiris, which now seems to be something beyond doubt, why did he make all those extemely embarrasing statements. ``We have given our solemn pledge, to the Kashmiris and the World. As a great nation we cannot go back out of it.`` hahahahahaha...love it. I bet even you enjoyed watching that fuddu Jang and his pals squirming at all this. Just admit it. ;)

So how are you doing anyway? Is it roasting in Amritsar? We are getting a pretty mild summer here on the right side of the border. Saving lots of money on air-conditiioning. The mango and water melon season is here. Have you ever eaten chilled Pakistani mangoes or water melons? Wah ji Wah! They are a gift from Phagwan. ;)

Last Rites in Kashmir or a New Journey? Re: # 282 jang

You are bullshitting again. What happened in Europe in the past is irrelavent. Just look at the way they`ve handled the Dutch and French rejection of European integration and compare it to ``my backyard`` and the 600 000 raping, murdering, torturing Indian troops in Kashmir.

Advani in Karachi Re: # 550 ``India now is what EU wants to be in the future, single defence force, single currency, diverse people with diverse and flourishing languages/cultures/food-habits, free to live/work/die anywhere, united by a democratic framework..``

You don`t read the papers, do you? Tiny lil Holland has brought the WHOLE process to a halt. They`ve decided European integration has gone as far as they can handle. And guess what, no angry denounciations, no invasions, no 600 000 raping, murdering torturing troops.

Isn`t it just amazing? Europe has NOTHING to learn from India.

Advani in Karachi Re: # 542 jang ``shivseana also wants to ethnically clean bhaiyas from bombay, so what? there is a bania paradigm at work which does not involve killings like you panjabi folks did in 1947. you know, thre are more evolved ways of doing things besides the violence. ``

hahaha...what your raping, murdering, torturing, occupying 600 000 troops are doing in Kashmir is REALLY evolved, isn`t it?


You people crack me up! hahahaha

Advani in Karachi Re: # 543 southasian ``5) Most Pakistanis would love to see India split into pieces. Like rest of the world its difficult for them to digest that people with as divergent as Indians can live together with reasonable degree of harmony. ``

Have wasted enough time in this stupid place as it is, but just can`t let this pass. Contrary to your claims we all know how the Indian Union has been kept together. Firstly, viscious anti-Islamic and anti-Pakistani Hindu chauvinism, and where that fails or where it is inapplicable such as in East Punjab or Kashmir, savage violence.

This is the thing with all this peace crap. Indians don`t seem realize that if they make peace with Pakistan they lose the only thing that has kept them united.

Last Rites in Kashmir or a New Journey? Re: # 277 stuka ``Because Pakistan is not Pyo di Jagir of Jinnah. He may have a view but your government as a whole decides. Same thing in India``

Nonsense. These weren`t Nehru`s personal ramblings. They were official goverrnment statements made at various times to foriegn heads of state, before the country on the national media, and before the national parliament. Which ever way you spin it only Kashmiris have the right to decide Kashmir`s future just as only Punjabis, not Madrasis or Biharis, had the right to decide Punjab`s future in 1947.

#276 jang ``Nehru made some speeched in early times, when the nation was taking shape. Now, ksshmir his not his personal jagir. Later, a concensus was built about kashmir as the nation matured.``

Please see reply to stuka above, freakin moron. ``nation taking shape`` ``nation maturing`` ``nation greying`` ``nation balding`` ``nation farting``... What kind of irrelevent babble is that, retard? Try to learn something from recent events in Holland and the EU.

Last Rites in Kashmir or a New Journey? Re: # 277 stuka ``I was being sarcastic on the issue of South Iindians being dark and ugly as that seems to be some kind of consensus in Pakistan. ``

So South Indians aren`t dark? What the hell is wrong with you? It is just a MYTH that Indians are a brown race. This is how they like to project themselves in their movies and media. Outside of a few border states they are as black as Africans. Even most North Indians are Sansritized Dravidians rather than Indo-Aryans.

``Heck, when Ii was at Daata Sahib in Lahore, people did not believe I was Hindu coz I was bigger and lighter skinned and their perception of Hindus was that we are scrawny and dark.``

Stuka, Hindu is a religon not a race. This is not a diffucult concept and I don`t understand why you have such difficulty grasping it. With roots in Jhelium racially you are no different to the Lahoris you met at Data Darbar and ARE different to the vast majority of Indian Hindus, whether you like to admit it or not.


``Gujjars range from West Punjab to Bihar, Drvidians from Punjab to Tamil Nadu. Where does that leave your theories of Punjabis versus Biharis then? Are you going to call Yohana a Tamilian even if he is a Chamar?``

Your mind has been brainwashed into pulp. Gujjars , Rajputs and other Hun-Sythnic groups have their home in North East Pakistan and North West India. They are NOT found all over the subcontinent. And even if they were, so what? Punjabi gujjars are proudly Punjabi and I assume Rajsthani Gujjars are proudly Rajasthani. Most Germans, Englishmen and the American elite are from the same Anglo-Saxon stock. Does that mean Germany, Engliand America have to be one country???

It would be stupid to deny racial overlap in South Asia but its also foolish to pretend there are no differences. And more importantly than race there are big cultural differences. How many Biharis listen, read or understand Waris Shah`s Heer Ranjha, for instance?


The bottom line is that Kashmiris, Biharis, Punjabis, Tamils etc are all different nations. If they wish to live in one united South Asian state all well and good. But no one has the right to FORCE them to do so.

Last Rites in Kashmir or a New Journey?
#275 Harish,

I don`t have the time to argue with you anymore. But I just want to say that unlike you I am not justifying or making excuses for my country`s crimes, such as the mass murders in Bengal in 1971.

#274 Arjun wrote ``Try going to the tribal areas and see American fighters/helicopters bombing the cr@p out of Pakistani citizens in Pakistani territory.``

The Americans don`t need to bomb the hell out of Pakistani citizens. The focking pimp Musharaf has got the Pakistani armed forces doing that for them. BTW, I know people serving in Wana so don`t presume to teach me about what is going on over there.

Advani in Karachi Re: # 539 jang

``Good for you, you have found your identity.``

Unfortunately for you and your fantasies for all of the whole subcontinent as a Hindustani colony, I am not the only one.


``As Indo-Pak pyar developes,``

I am sitting in Pakistan right now and I really don`t see much Indo-Pak pyar here. Pakistani opinions of India have not changed one bit in the last year or so. All I see is an illegal martial law dictator clearing the ground for another rigged election by pleasing his American Masters. That`s all this ``peace process`` is about. Yet again we see a single man taking control of the entire of country and running it like a personal fiefdom, regardless of what the interets of tens of millions of Pakistanis are. I fully sympathize with those who call Pakistan a ``failed state``.


``you will see good martial panjabis of Lhor hanging out in MTR canteen, bangalore slurping Dosa Sambhar on their training, beharis and bhayyas will be overtaking the kheti under sikh management of farms, and you will be paying (no more pirated VCDs) so see bollywood, and god-forbid, even Tamil maniratnam mivies. Interestingly (and hope not too sadly for you), no one will notice the differene between a bhayya and any other farm-worker, and most will be happy with these turn of events. ``

These are just your fantasies. Nothing more. Two years ago we were on the verge of a nuclear war and now you are talking as if Pakistan is about to become a part of India (Which is what you fuckers really dream about, isn`t it? ) . You think the Sikhs are just going to stand by and watch foreigners turn them into a minority in their own land? If the Pakistan and Islamic bogey is removed what else will unite the nations of India? How do you know they won`t turn on each other? You don`t know shit about how things are going to turn out. So stop dreaming about turning us all into Madrasis.


``Interestingly (and hope not too sadly for you), no one will notice the differene between a bhayya and any other farm-worker, and most will be happy with these turn of events. ``

I have heard Sikhs in Lahore talk about ethnically cleansing Bhayyas from their Punjab. I have heard North Indians in England call Tamils ``filthy South Indian blackies``. So don`t start counting your chickens before they hatch, buddy.


``even Tamil maniratnam mivies``

Pathans and Punjabis are going to watch Tamil Movies?? You people are so deluded it just isn`t funny. LMAO!