Pervez Musharraf Vs. George Orwell be afraid of the day when the wife is defended by not just the hubby but 10 children on this site.

u moron Indians won`t be able to beat this 12-persons team.

and yes, the article sucks...she just wanted to see a pakistani face on the tube, and she got it....now jumping up and down like a monkey.

The Human Dimension of Wars Re: # 46

u didnt get the humour in #35

The Human Dimension of Wars Plagiarism alert:

Asadi wrote:

``It is dishonest to talk about a “volunteer army” when it is disproportionately made up of people from the lower socioeconomic classes and racial minorities- people who are forced to volunteer because the institutional arrangement of society offers few if any alternatives to them. And this is another reason why no war of the elites can ever be justified, when the masses have to do the fighting and suffer casualties on their behalf.
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I actually wrote this in 1980

``It is dishonest to talk about a volunteer janitor jobs when it is disproportionately made up of people from the lower socioeconomic classes and racial minorities- people who are forced to volunteer because the institutional arrangement of society offers few if any alternatives to them. And this is another reason why trash created by elites can ever be justified, when the masses have to do the cleaning and suffer bad smell and other hazards on their behalf. ``


Fire Asadi, plz

Saviour or Tinpot Dictator? Musharraf is not just a person, he is and respresent an institution. Without criticing army, u can`t criticize Musharraf.

Manto type Pakistani neo-cons often forget that

Taking the Lid off Sexual Fantasies Re# 16

When in adolescent age, boys tend to act ``adult``, and go for older women. One more reason might be to the attraction towars more developed bodies, just like their mothers`.

In mid-life, they fall for easy-to-please young girls. Mature women r nasty and demanding, as y`all know :)

The Modernity Conspiracy Saima Khan , u better read Manto`s Ganjay Frishtay. He has a better solution for crazy women like you.

The Modernity Conspiracy Re# 77

what does this `bjkumar` means?

1. Bhai Ji Kumar
2. Blow Job, Kumar?
3. Billo Ji, Kumar
4. Bhagwan Jhukas Khuwar


Which one ??????

The Modernity Conspiracy Re: # 34

nice idea, and lets collect some money to send them back to Saudi Arab, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or muslim country of their choice, where they can bring about Socialism or Khilafat.

The Modernity Conspiracy aftre reading this artcile, I am convinced there should be some Islamic fatwah against non-sense writings and their writers. I am a bit ambigous about hanging such writers as penalty, but atleast we should make sure that these writers don`t hold the positions of publishers as well.

Unfortunately, for chowk and us, Saima Shah holds both positions here.

Looking for a New Islamic Fiqh Re #62 & #61

I have read ur posts very well, so don`t bother to use strawman here.

Everyone, even atheists and agnostics in this world, have had some effects of their original religions on them. There is no exception. Newton, was a strong and quite a freaky beleiver in christianity. But by no strecth of thought, his `atheist` physics laws were inspired from Bible. The same can be said about Faiz. `Lazim hay kay hum be daikhain gay` is an example of his inspiration from Islam, but was he a mainstream muslim?

A secular person can be a religous, as lonmg as he/she keeps govt out of religion and vice versa. If u deny that for John Locke, then obviously u have not read anything.

Looking for a New Islamic Fiqh Re: # 58

It is just not possible that an institution wielding control over state would just withdraw from positions of power, thru reformation. Christianity was forced out, not left thru reformation.

It is like expecting Pakistan army to leave civilian domain (govt, bureaucracy) thru internal reforms. It won`t happen this way.

``The founding fathers of the United States very clearly credited the US constitution to John Locke... and other scholars of the age of enlightenment``


John Locke did not try to reform Christianity as if we would try to make 1 woman`s evidence equal to man`s. He was more concerned with limitin religion`s role to `souls salvaation`. Your example of John Locke, strengthens my case, not urs.

Looking for a New Islamic Fiqh Re: # 55

gay-marriage was just an example to prove a trend. If chtistian orthodox had their ways, even a discussion would not be possible on such topics. European Immigrants to USA would have thrown out USA consitituition, if it anyways had incorporated chrisrtianity in it. The founding fathers could easily see what would would fly. It was not the reformed christianity, but the desire of ppl to limit religion`s role in their affairs.

Again, my point is simple: Islam can not be reformed in a centralized or imposed ways. Limit its role to ppl`s pvt lives, and ppl will make it as relevant to their lives as they deem fit. And it has happened in so many ways around us. 4 marriages of a man, r now things of past. People have simply rejected this. The concept of femal sex slaves now disgust an ordinary muslims, and he can`t belive Mohammed and his followers ever justified this. All the things against `sood` (interest) has become irrelevent. Zia made provision for shia to by pass this, and 70% of bank customers (by one estoimate) declared that they were shias just to by-pass zakat deduction. It is happening all around us. What is necessary is that we strip Islam from pakistan, and declare all statements of Jinnah and ML linking Pakistan with Islam, as null and void.

Looking for a New Islamic Fiqh Re #51

ur view that secularism was the result of christianity`s reformation, is not the factually correct. It is alsmost like expecting gay marriages to be first solemnized in churches, and then in the constitution of USA (or any other country). It won;t happen this way, as it never happend this way.

Religion always follows social change, not the other way around. Religion, by its very definition, is passive and static. Social and economic urrents genarte demands, that are always resisted by orthodox aganets, religous or non-religous (traditions)

Looking for a New Islamic Fiqh Re# 45

``It doesn`t have to be dominated by liberals... simply people who use their brains and are sincere about reform... ``

Those who use their brains have usually accepted the `individual/private interpretaion`` of religion anyways. They r not interested in changing religion for anyone, in the first place.

The ppl who want to control religion and hence blind ppl, r the ones who would be more ready to jump this bandwagon.

This proposal is inherantly childish and immature. In order to encourage free thinking in islam or any other religion, u have to free it from all groups clucthes, not form a new group to claim the so-called hijacked religion. Talk about hijacking the hijacked plane !

Looking for a New Islamic Fiqh ``In my opinion, a body with Muslims extracted from all parts of the world and cultures should be formed. While a percentage of these should be experts of existing jurisprudences, a significant portion of this body should consist of eminent Muslims who have excelled in fields of science, technology, law, medicine, philosophy and even women’s issues. Each member should be the top most expert available in the field and each member should have an unimpeachable record of integrity and honesty. Most importantly, each one of them should believe in the mission of formulating a new fiqh for our times and should not be swayed by their own personal likes and dislikes.
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Who will form it? Who will nominate them? There r many sects within Sunnis, will it be considered? what is ``top most expert``? Will it be a legitimate body in the eyes of general muslims?

It is much like when in early 80s, Zia formed majlis-e-shura.

your idea is simply a result of immature thinking. Religion is best left to indivdiuals to figure out its beliefs and its rationalization in modern world.

The Problem with muslims is not their lack of adancements in religion, but their backwardness in education, and the undue pride in islamic history (all fueled by Iqbal type poets).

An Ode To Wine The shock value for sufism has been too much restricted to drinking. Drinking is too old fashioned..everyone does it, from mulla Fazlu in Peshawar to late Noorani in KHI

I request Asif sahab to replace `drinking` in his poetry to, say, homosexuality, pedophilia, serious drugs, etc.