Study in Black #162 by S.P.Wakil
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You are not planning to visit Pakistan in the foreseeable future, are you? I hope not.
Like the idea of trashing non-relevant institutions. I am currently in Canada. Would you like to get together? Get in touch.
<<<

Professor, i belive we have talked on ur yahoo group. Remember `Sayyed Ahmed Khan`? I will send u an email once i get ur email address from somehere.

rgds

Closet #31 by Urstruly

>>I am all for the equal rights of anally challenged people.<<

Funny that gays would think of u as `anally challenged `, as u do not use the rear hole to its fullest capabilities as much as they do :)

Closet #27 by moulabux

>>There was one who used to visit our school too, and have quite a good time, until the administration got whiff of his activities. He used to harass schoolboys<<<

and u boys wanted free candies, huh?

;)

Closet nooralain (15)

The author has not used any derogatory tone for gays. He perhaps does not know that homo is derogatory term. His tone is sympathetic and his writing is quite inquisitive. I am not sure how that `happy one` reached this conclusion about the `derogatory` intent of the author. Any term (including nigger) without proper context does not automatically become derogatory.

I have nothing against the good communication and composition skills. And I do share everyone`s concern at the editorial quality of chowk. But if upgrading the editorial quality means that these sort of artciles r not published and this author type weak `angrezdan` do not write, then I am willing to sacrifice english composition quality at chowk in favor of new things to read.

What is the last time that i and u read anything about gays in pakistan? I am happy that i read something, irrespective of bad quality of article, anonymous sources used, and no scientific reasearch (the last 2 reasons r more severe in my opinion than the first one).

Closet temporal #11

>>...do you think if desis do not indulge in this practice their intellectual level would soar? <<

atleast ppl will concerntrate on rational arguments to the point. There is some chance there, dont u think?

>>...also what theories would you have about the intellectual level of millions of desis who do not comminicate in english?<<

There is nothing wrong with ppl speaking desi languages.

Throritically, intellectual level or analytical skills of any person has nothing to do with the languages he speaks. However, incidently, being educated in pakistan/india means some sort of english communication skills. So yes, English becomes a criterion of one`s education and hence analytical power. I have no bias against that. But pointing out grammatical mistakes and other minor stuff (when u exactly know what the author wants to say) is low.

Closet stuka #12

:) good point.

I think he wants to clarify that he has no bias in favor of gays, based on his sexual orientation.

And when he says he never met any homo, it means he is coming with a `clean sheet`.

Closet the_happy_one #7

it is quite pecular of South Asian ppl to mock the angrezi of other brown ppl. That is one big reason why the overall intellectual level is so low.

Closet There is no site at
www.humjinsparast.com

r u sure? or my firewall is causing problem. However i could find

http://www.geocities.com/humjinsparast/home.html

Khurram`s article is at:
http://www.geocities.com/humjinsparast/archive/twistingsociety.html

Other sites are:

http://www.geocities.com/gaypakistanicommunity/

http://www.geocities.com/danial96/

The Endangered Species samina #65

IMHO, there r two views regarding making ur opinions known:

1. Make them ambigous, and leave some mystery for others to figure out, and take some advantage of it.
2. Take a stand on ut choices (blashphemey, conversion, sexual orientation, etc.) so that the discrminated lot would be defended.


Both choices have adv/disadv. It all depends on how much stamina u have for leading the march of change, and how much u think ur private info is completely irrelevelent in this matter.

For instance: for a muslim woman, marrying an agnostic/atheist is pure adultery. For an agnostic person, marrying her has nothing to do with religious differences. Now, should he come clean? To him, his religion is irrelevelent. But at the same time, he does not want to be discrminated against on the basis of his beliefs. Is his lie a harmless lie?

There r difeferent priorities and choices for each individual. No one absolute answer.

The Endangered Species UmerMurtaza (#38)

I bet u felt culturally and religously insulted and isolated after that paki girl decided to dicth ur religion and her parents for a hindu guy.

All ur talks about that girl talking to her parents is just a hogwash. Her religion is her business. If her parents had produced and reared her so that they brainwash her with their culture and religion, then they got what they deserve-----a good shocking treatment.

Failure of Democracy in Pakistan it is another dishonest attempt at diagnisung the failure of democracy in pakistan.

Parliamentary system has functioned well in a nnumber of countries, and USA is not the only democratic ountry in the world. What is different from pakistan and others, is the crooked ideology of pakistan and its sole defender, the colonial military.

Why dont talk about both?

Larka, Larki Aur Smartee This glamorization of a pathetic, rigid and irrational culture is deplorable. There shoul be a big marked difference b/w culture and jahalat. When i speak against sufism, i usually forget that there r more heinous social isms that r not only going on, but getting the approval and WOWs of supposedly educated ppl.

Intellectual Diversity of Human Thought Naqshbandi (3)

Iqbal has said many good coupletes, but it is a stupid couplet by Iqbal. Means nothing. It is just words-jugglery. Contrast this with what john elia has said. This is what i call intellectual honesty

Intellectual Diversity of Human Thought Naqshbandi (3)

`Takta rehta hay asmaan ko tu
koi rehta hai asmaan main kia?`

----john elia

Intellectual Diversity of Human Thought The news just arrived from karachi, that the renowned
poet, Allama John Elia has passed away.


http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/nov2002-daily/08-11-2002/main/update.shtml#19

Renowned poet John Elia passes away
(Updated at 2345 PST)
By Agha Khalid
KARACHI: Renowned poet, younger brother of Raees
Imrohwi and Syed Muhammed Taqi, John Elia passed away
late Friday evening. He was suffering from acute
asthma. He was suddenly taken ill and breathed his
last on tha way to hospital.

Teasing or Torture? AAmir (27)

Well, once i used to have long hair and keep a pony tail. I thought it was quite OK, but then i observed men leering at me while overtaking my car from behind. After seeing my rugged face and big moustache, the disappointment on their face overlapping the dwindling excitement was quite something to watch :)