God in Vedas and Upanishads Responce to #60

Let me see what is supermacist?

A beleif that God only apperead in India and only spoke in Sansakrat, as if he forgot about the rest of the world and God/Gods only happened to deliver wisdom to select few thousand year ago in Geographicaly confined area. If this is not symptoms of supermacy then what are?

Or a beleief with ample evidance that God send his messengers to all nations, but their messages were corrupted by their followers. Like Kirshna and Budhha, and a belief that God is Al-Rahman, that is, he takes care of his humans even though if they believe in him or not, and God is Al-Raheem, he takes care of his humans who are clean in hearts.

And most important of all, these beliefs are coming from the original ancient source, and not as after thought, in a way to put a new cover on a dirty old book. Putting enlightened ideas as humans have learned now in old books. What is the source of this? irrational love to one`s own things or country of birth or ideas of parents at birth?

As kirshan said in Gita ``What will you do if a stream of fresh water appear outside your village, would you still drink from the same old pond``

Is it deap down, feeling of shame and frustration that historical texts are devoid of common-sense and descency as they were modified by cruel men of upnashids and manu-shasters. Why can not one see that, still there are sprinkles of truth in them, here and there, as were given by the originals;Kirshan and Budhha.

Was Jesus Christ Married? Re: # 9

Fear of Mulavis is wide-spread, even Primi Minister of Pakistan has to declare he is not

Here is what Quran says about ``Mutawafika``

[2:235] And as for those of you who die and leave wives behind, these (wives) shall wait concerning themselves for four months and ten days. And when they have reached the end of their period, no blame shall be attached to you concerning anything that they do with regard to themselves in a decent manner. And Allah is Aware of what you do.

So if you ``mutawafika`` and leave your wife behind and she has to wait for 4 months and 10 days before getting marrying again, as you are not going to come back,

Then you can ask your Mulavi Sahib why jesus is alive up there; if it is the fear of being labelled Qadiani. Also, you can ask Mulvi Sahib why Quran at thirty places mean death for ``mutawafi`` but for jesus it is going up alive to heaven? and that is the only place where your Mulvi sahib insists this word means going up alive. One Last question you ask your Mulvi Sahib, Why Ibn-Abaas, cousin of our Prophet Hadrat Muhammad Sal-ullah-ho-Wa Alahi Wasallam beleived that Jesus had died, as narrated in Sahih Bokhari.

Beware, you will be labelled Qadiani before getting any answer. If this is not clear in Quan, then what is clear.

Is Islam really not clear about death of Jesus?

Was Jesus Christ Married?

Off course Jesus was married, Here is the pciture of real off-spring of Jesus, as posted on Yahoo few days ago.

His real off-springs are in sri-nagar, Kashmir, as reported on May 16, 2006.

http://travel.news.yahoo.com/b/rba_daily/20060516/rba_daily/rba_daily4337

God in Vedas and Upanishads Re: # 51

Refrence was given in post #25, it is posted again.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_1.html

AS you are a student of Philosophy, you might be interested in a book, which is written based on reference

http://www.alislam.org/books/philosophy/index.html

Which covers these fundamental questions

• The physical, moral, and spiritual states of man
• What is the state of man after death?
• The object of man`s life and the means of its attainment
• The operation of the practical ordinances of the Law in this life and the next
• Sources of Divine knowledge

God in Vedas and Upanishads Re: # 50

Let see what do you mean when you write, for example when you wrote

``Section (a) - The conceptions of God are distinctly different in Vedas and Upanishads but they are NOT mutually exclusive, rather the Upanishadic thought is a developmental culmination of the Vedas` tentative surmises. ``

what does this mean, give us an example.

Or is it the reason 2% of hinuds are interested in their scripture.

What is developmental culmination of the Vedas ``tentative surmises``??

What is developmental culmination?

What is tentative surmises?

All I can understand is ``your english vocablury and spelling are better``

God in Vedas and Upanishads Re: # 46

You are right Beleif in one God and life after death is ``the fundamantal`` which makes all the difference.

In Islam, you can base your though totally in Quran, which does not need any outside help. What we beleif as Quran says that God send his messengers to all the nations and to all continents, and he still communicates with his humans. So Kirshan, Buddaha were all prophets of God, they brought fresh water to this world; unfortunately people who did commentry on their message (upnashids, etc) could not keep the ``essence of message``, due to this thier books got corrupted. God send his fianal compelte message with the promisse that it will be preserved upto end of times. Same message which was given in initial form by Kirshan and Buddha.

Kirshna said in Gita ``What would you do if a stream of fresh water appears outside of your village, would you still drink from the old pond``, think about it. Still there is truth, here and there, even if the original scriptures has been lost.

God in Vedas and Upanishads Re: # 46

One God: Eik Shriwar is actually a prophecy of Quran, the very first revelation of Quran is

Read! and thy Lord is the Most exalted;

This prophecy is being fullfilled, Christiens has started saying we say trinity just for explanation but really there is only One God, so does the Hinduism, this is indirct influence of Islam. So as reading will spread so does the concept of one God, as God willed thousand of years ago. You have taken first step toward truth.

God in Vedas and Upanishads Re: # 45

Can you present a proof that if Bhagwad Gita give this idea of live matter or dead matter?

See, one objection against Hinuds is this ``Now in this modern world, if hindu scripture are read as originally written then they appear hollow and devoid of wisdom and filled with comical ideas, due to this Hindu friends try to put new cover on the book, to do so they put forward new commentries which will squeeze enlightened ideas as Humanity has learned now into those old books``

God in Vedas and Upanishads Re: # 45

Sunjay you tried to give it a little twist, as you wrote.

``You contention is that looking into the numerical strength of animal kingdom, the numerical strength of humans should be astronomically high. ``

The actual contention is ``Karma is a failed ideology to explain salvation of humans, becasue with little faults humans are being turned into sects and other form, then 1) from where new humans are coming from 2) when all the humans will be eventually converted into sects then this process will start over again? 3) If it starts over again then God as presented by Karam is unfair God.

God in Vedas and Upanishads Re: # 42

As a matter of fact, Islam and Quran directly deal with this main subject, what is the purpose of life, mean to attain it and why God created humans. Quran is full of this subject, i fear you would not have the patience to listen and think about it with an open mind. But anyway, I will just quote one brief reference; where as Quran describes this important matter in detail.

[18:8] Verily, We have made all that is on the earth an ornament for it, that We may try them as to which of them is the best in conduct.

God in Vedas and Upanishads I have been asked why I presented so much material on Incarnation and Karma, where as the article is about concept of God in vedas and upnashids.

Is Incarnation and Karma seperate from God, as depicted in Vedas? or not they related.

Correct me if I am wrong, is this article saying that God has no bearing/relation with ``Mukti`` or salvation and God as presetned by current form of Vedas has no capability associated with Karma?

Please think. Deeper philosophy does not come just by claiming it, you have to have non-contradictory ideas, dont you?

God in Vedas and Upanishads I am being an Ahmadi Muslim, being hated by most so called Muslims. One of them is being called names without any reason.

I have to admitt that Islam has most substance and original thougth, it contains more philosophical depth; due to the reason that it solves age old quandry of humans about their understanding of their creator. Islam guides a human being towards clear recognization of God as much as that at the highest form one can be absorbed in God.

Ustruly have presented some very genuine questions, which need serious input from Our Hindu friends, if they can present one. Instead of calling him by names it would be worthwhile if someone can present some rational argument about ``if there was ever a unified concept of God after the original founder of Hinudism left this world``. Or if Hinduism in its present form is capable of explaining ``purpose of life`` and how to recongnize the ture God.

What is the ``tasaraf`` hold/purpose of religion on a person?

Example of HIndu friends is like who is ashmaed of their heritage, that is the reaon they try to hide their present form of scriptures. Either they present it in a language which is obsolete and no one ( 99.99999%) can not understand that dead language or they present selective chery picked quotes from upnashids which are derivatives from holy scriptures. They claim that God can express himself only in that language, and that also only in India, and that also some thousands year ago. As if God is now dumb and can not speak, can not speak anyother language except sansakrat, as if that imaginative God of thiers is not able to communicate in another language.

The modern twister and spinners come forward and try to insert in their Holy literature ideas and concepts which are not present them. To do so they employ subterfuge and heavy sounding words and ambigious pharases.

Is anbody have any idea what is the concept of God as presented by this article? as presented by Vedas or upnashids? an idea which is not self contradictory. Please share with us.

God in Vedas and Upanishads In reply to Swarrier.

I think you assumed that, flute of Kirshna is an idea stolen from Western universities.

At this point in time, we humans who lives in this era, we based our observation of past based on Historical accounts, evidance which has travelled through time. It is another subject and surely related how this historical account reached to us, what is its accuracy etc. But it is from this written form what we deduce bout past personalities.

Surely it is written in Hindu Scripture that Kisrhan said `` Would you use the old village pond(to bring water) if you know that there is a new fresh stream of water gushing forth outside the village``. Now this is an evidance of Kirshan using allegorical way of teaching to his desciples, and it is evidance from the same Hindu scripture. There are other examples. See this is a continuous mechanism, if there is one supereme God then he continouly freshens the water for humans. One can drink it by purifying the heart, this is essense of the message from evey one, be Kirshan or Budhha or Jesus.

We Muslims beleive that God perfects his creation and perfects his message gradually, and we points to the evidance based on common observation. If you read the article in my posting, this is what was discussed related to concept of Karma and its shortcomings. So in short this flute has been coming down to earth in different forms, depending upon the nature and culture of particular people.

As God says in Quran ``He is Who who makes the earth alive after its death`` and ``It is He Who send waters from the sky``. Now it is our observation that water comes from the sky and vegetation grows, similarly spirtual water comes from the heavens which enlightens a person. Now water is just for explanation purpoe, off course if you understand, it can be examplified by flute. It is a matter of different semantics but essense of the core message is the same, and all the great one has delivered the same message, water of spirtual life comes from the heavens.

God in Vedas and Upanishads I posted all the previous responces, as It is rare to come across a poorly written article.

What is in this article, two divergent currents, what are they?. One current, which is at one point in the article independant from other, where as at another point in the article both currents are not mutually exclusive. What is this?

God in Vedas and Upanishads We consider it proper to observe here that the Hindu doctrine of transmigration of the soul also offers a third option, but only for the insignificant few. Such humans as lead a life of perfection, like the four ancient rishis for instance, are not recycled immediately, but there is a long intervening period of relief for their souls. This is the vision of Hindu Nirvana or heaven. But this period of rest, even if it runs into millions of years, must come to an end. At last, such souls having enjoyed their Nirvana must return to earth for reincarnation.

But this critical appraisal of Hindu mythology has been carried too far afield. The Hindu religious scholars may claim the right to divorce their faith from reason as has been often done by the followers of some other religions. In that case, despite anything proved to the contrary, they would still maintain that somehow a balance is juggled by God between various animal species, and they are all judged by some invisible system of Karma.

Each individual belonging to any species of life is judged in accordance with its Karma. If a man misconducts himself, he would also be transmigrated into an animal of a lower order during his next visit to earth. Likewise, an animal with good conduct could be raised to the status of a human in his next incarnation. A well-behaved dog for instance, could be born into the house of his earlier master as the master himself, while the wicked master could be reborn in his own house as a dog to his new human master (ex-dog).


http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_1.html

God in Vedas and Upanishads We consider it proper to observe here that the Hindu doctrine of transmigration of the soul also offers a third option, but only for the insignificant few. Such humans as lead a life of perfection, like the four ancient rishis for instance, are not recycled immediately, but there is a long intervening period of relief for their souls. This is the vision of Hindu Nirvana or heaven. But this period of rest, even if it runs into millions of years, must come to an end. At last, such souls having enjoyed their Nirvana must return to earth for reincarnation.

But this critical appraisal of Hindu mythology has been carried too far afield. The Hindu religious scholars may claim the right to divorce their faith from reason as has been often done by the followers of some other religions. In that case, despite anything proved to the contrary, they would still maintain that somehow a balance is juggled by God between various animal species, and they are all judged by some invisible system of Karma.

Each individual belonging to any species of life is judged in accordance with its Karma. If a man misconducts himself, he would also be transmigrated into an animal of a lower order during his next visit to earth. Likewise, an animal with good conduct could be raised to the status of a human in his next incarnation. A well-behaved dog for instance, could be born into the house of his earlier master as the master himself, while the wicked master could be reborn in his own house as a dog to his new human master (ex-dog).

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