Al-Andalusia … Decline of a Plural Culture thanks mahmood

also, can you comment on what made the moors settle in andalucia and create this miracle as opposed to say tunisia or morocco? what were the ingredients which caused this crest?

Al-Andalusia … Decline of a Plural Culture yar its stupid to just post nonsense which does not progress the informative nature of this article.

dear author, can you comment on the economy of the al-andlucia and contrast it to its contemperaries? was it an empire? looks like al-andalucia was a relatively small area, so what were the sources of revenue etc?

Al-Andalusia … Decline of a Plural Culture aslam, once the moorish were driven out, what happend to them? did they try to recreate the great cordoba in tunis or somewhere? i guess its not that easy to recreate something this big but any idea what happend to them?

Al-Andalusia … Decline of a Plural Culture hp
the local taxiwalas, camelwalas had no clue about the pyramids etc..and the guides refered to pyramid builders as "their" accomplishment not "ours".

Al-Andalusia … Decline of a Plural Culture hp you have a valid point in being "specific" about pride..but i do notice pride amongst rajastanis about their old crumbling desert forts, they tell stories and sing ballads about some anceint king and sometimes about his horse too. and these are not some tourist entertainment shyte..its in the folklore.

whats getting you all azzburny man?

Al-Andalusia … Decline of a Plural Culture to me, its interesting to me how a heritage of 600 years of glorious rule (esp in comparison to rest of europe then) was lost on the local populance. sure, the europeans acknowledge basic facts but i doubt they stil have any hearfelt pride or affection. question is are they plain bigoted? my family members were travelling in egypt and she also noitice no real pride amongst its people about the anceint egyptian shyte as their "own"..because it was not in their collective memory untill dug-out by the brits and the french.

Al-Andalusia … Decline of a Plural Culture thanks urstruly..but these dont look like festivals which celebrate the great pluralism of mooring rule. i was wondering if there is folk-lore lamenting the glorious era bygone..lament form the locals about what was lost...esp incontrast to the dark periods of inquisitions.

Al-Andalusia … Decline of a Plural Culture i have one question on al-andulusia..surely the folks of those lands must have memories, folk-lores etc about the great muslim rule. are there any festivals, rituals wtc which celebrate this great pluralistic rule today? what is the memory of it amongst the people of those lands? e.g. hindus clebrate dussera as victory of (good) ram over (evil) ravan.

This Pyre Will Burn…! IMO its very unfair to harp on ethnic assimilation in pakistan while quoting success if that in india. in india a community can naturally exist as is, form its schools and community centers, housing colonies and so on. they never have to "assimilate" and for the most part they dont..i.e. they do NOT intermarry and bussinesses are also started in biradari fashion. i suspect its the same in pakistan..prolly less so since some muslims pretending to be urdu-speaking (e.g. hyderabadi) can intermarry. the conflict bet mojos and sindhis seems to be about entitlements..whenever we have such entitlements in india, conflicts do occur. case in point is that of shivsena...it was formed to ensure ghati employment in reserve bank of india.

This Pyre Will Burn…! #109 salim..
i never claimed that karachi was a triving metro..what i am saying was ball to make karachi a triving port city was kinda already rolling. 40s and 50s and 60s were times of great migrations of educated from small towns and villages to cities. now, mojos had created a nice little heaven for themselves to migrate to, but rest of the greater india .. even small places like bhopal and rourkela also experienced great migrations (without the ethnic clensing) and vigouros new growth. madrasi enclaves grew in bombay and dilli..sindhi colonies in puna and so on.

the mojos (i mean the central province wallas, not memons and bohras who you love to bundle in for convinience..they would have gone to whereever there was opportunity) were not exactly the hottest shyte of india then..after all they were the remnats of the long lost decadent empire..after the cruel setback they got in 1857, they clearly knew that they needed some sheltered place to become vigorous again as a community, and they got it...smart folks...but not exactly taj mahal builders that you claim them as.

This Pyre Will Burn…! while new pakistanis did do major building of karachi as is natural, they ought to acknowlege that foundations were put in by the british in irrigation and karachi port trust. pre-partition karachi was already a boomtown for people from then bombay presidency..kinda like dubai...there were all kinds of professionals drawn to karachi, civil and irrigation engineers, teachers from goa, bombay, puna, baroda etc. there is no reason that karachi would have continued to be built post 1947...maybe not by new pakistanis, but the ball was already rolling.

This Pyre Will Burn…! 3 cheers for this thread.

This Pyre Will Burn…! #25 salim yar...most of the mojos were salariyat..not that keen on doing farming. farming muslims stayed back..go to sahranpur and you will find them. and chasing hindu was part of the national ethos, vaderas were NOT hindus.

hope this esplanes things clearly.

Preview of Looming Democracy - Two Months of PPP in the Limelight there is always this shyte about paki percentages which is comfusing...for a long time there was this thing about 3% religious party vote and now we have lal masjids, dead PM, Swat pulice thanas etc. so lets not get all hung-up about these percentages..if 3% can influence so can 9 or 10

may be a little less than 3 but still..

Benazir Bhutto Killed in an Attack it was prolly an incident of friendly-fire?

Benazir Bhutto Killed in an Attack it was prolly an incident of friendly-fire?