Last Gasp of the Imperial Misadventure Re: # 153

Wah!

Mein Hindu banoo`n ga nah Musalmaan banoo`n ga
Insaan ki aulad hoon` insaan banoo`n ga

I could frame that on my wall. How I wish more people could read that.

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Last Gasp of the Imperial Misadventure Re: # 140

A flaw in your argument is the assumption that internal security is not the primary ingredient to peace.

If that were the case, then in India at least, in the absence of internal security, there would have been massacres on a large scale on religious, casteist and linguistic lines. This would have happened even in the USA.

Certainly compounded by biased media and revenge mode.

Internal security is the key to peace.

Last Gasp of the Imperial Misadventure Re: # 118,

Dr. Gill, It would be rather a simplistic and naive person to accept wholesale, the current media propaganda that Bush initially had only good intentions for Iraq.

If that were the case, he would nt have needed an excuse like WMD to attack the country. Saddam was by and large doing nothing on the international level, having been weakened considerably by economic sanctions. Iraq was already sufferring, but due to his dads sanctions.

The whole world knew that Bush was on the look out for a muslim nation for revenge on the 9/11 attacks, and Saddam, as a `dictator` fitted the media bill. And that a war would cripple the country and eventually divide it on sectarian lines, after an ethnic blood bath, in the absence of any internal security and warring factions. This, the whole world knew BEFORE even the WMD were claimed by Powell.

How could the CIA have possibly not known what the whole world knew before the attack?

Last Gasp of the Imperial Misadventure Re: # 114, freethinker, You say `` “The justification for invading Iraq was due to the following five reasons “attributed to three senior advisers (Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz) and to President Bush:

•To clean up the mess left by the first Bush administration when, in 1991, it let Saddam Hussein consolidate power and slaughter opponents after the first U.S. – Iraq war;
•To improve Israel’s strategic position by eliminating a large hostile military;
•To create an Arab democracy that could serve as a model to other friendly Arab states now threatened with internal dissent, notably Egypt and Saudi Arabia;
•To permit withdrawal of U.S. forces from Saudi Arabia (after twelve years), where they were stationed to counter the Iraqi military and were a source of anti-Americanism threatening to the regime;
•To create another friendly source of oil for the U.S. market and reduce dependency upon oil from Saudi Arabia, which might suffer overthrow someday.”




Does nt that appear to you that the neo-cons are in fact very friendly to the middle east people, if indeed that was the reason for the Iraqi invasion?

Shall I dare say then, that they and their intentions, then, were thouroughly misunderstood?

So was the dismantling of internal security in Iraq not well thought of in advance?
Was the propaganda about WMDs merely a diversionary tactic?
Is the institution of a dictatorship there totally unintended?
Lastly, the killing of thousands of hundreds, merely collateral damage?


Dont you see the flaw in the propaganda about the `real` intentions of the neo-cons?

Last Gasp of the Imperial Misadventure
The media has been portraying Iraq as a disaster. This is just to confuse muslims into thinking that America is neutral by nature, when in fact it is cunning and aggressive. Just like WMDs, this is another myth propagated by the western media.

The Iraqi fiasco, however depressing for Iraq fans, is going EXACTLY according to the plans laid by the neocons to destroy internal security, encouraging factional divisions and a pliable government which will allow the oil to be stolen under legal cover.

It is Never OK to Hit a Woman Re: # 6

http://www.mynation.net/mynews/



498a is anti human rights for the accused because :

1. It enables violation of the privacy, sanctity and the dignity of the innocent families, and throws the very existence of Indian families to the vultures in the police force, criminals in the society and at the mercy of the lawyers and the inefficiencies of the court system in India.

2. It makes the accuser the prosecutor, the judge and the jury all rolled into one.

3. It makes all the families subject to destruction on the whims and fancies of criminals (girl and her families who want to get rich).

4. It has no safeguards for the innocent.

5. It facilitates elder and child abuse by the accusers without any fear of punishment.

6. It lays down no automatic punishments for the UN-scrupulous accuser(s), even after it is proved that the accused persons were innocent and the complaints were fraudulent.

7. It rewards frauds and cheats for using the law.

8. It provides monetary inducements for corruption, falsehoods, revenge, blackmail and extortion; therefore an invitation to the increasing crimes in India.

9. It is a monster and menace, created by the law; and does not belong in any civilised and democratic society as it smells like fascism.

10. The guilty who make frivolous and scandalous complaints or start false prosecutions get off Scott free at the cost and expense of the public exchequer

This law, therefore, must go lock stock and barrel, and replaced by a law that punishes only the guilty appropriate to their crime.

Otherwise, marriage may soon become a curio item from the past.

It is Never OK to Hit a Woman Re: # 4, nasah,

See this link for a mans perspective :

http://mynation.net/blog/?PHPSESSID=33f31924622a0a495ba8aa33be060094

It is Never OK to Hit a Woman Marriage, as we know it, could become a thing of the past in India!

Under Renuka Chowdhurys recent persecutive law called 498A, a wife can theoretically blackmail the husband and his family, infinitely - even for money, visa, property, or more commonly, to harass her in-laws with the fear of social blackmail, which may arise from any misunderstanding. Under the draconian IPC 498a (2006), any man ( and his dear family ), could be arrested and thrown in jail - simply on any fanciful charge/s the wife chooses to make.

How could any Indian boy commit himself to a girl in future, with such vindictively biased laws in place? The new laws neither take into account traditional Indian values in marriage, nor the normal ups and downs in marriage, and the immorality of taking undue (criminal) advantage of such situations. In fact, the new laws do not even conceptualise a reunion!

With a 98% acquital rate, the government cannot continue to pretend that already thousands of innocent husbands are not being harrassed by this draconian law.
It is time for the government to scrap the domestic version of POTA and bring in laws more in keeping with harmony and equality (`constitutional right` ?) between the accused and the aggrieved in a family.

Suggestions :

1. Implementable only upto two years from marriage.
2. Only husband should be charged.
3. False complaints should be penalised.
4. Medical evidences should be relevant.
5. Witnesses, not blood relative to the woman, should be available.


One hopes that the media does focus more attention on this urgent matter.


Links :
http://mynation.net

Renuka makes personal use of her own law :
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1021027/asp/nation/story_1329371.asp

Renuka intensely grilled by Thapar :
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/act-wont-hit-good-hubbies-renuka/26051-3.html

Untouchability and Sex Re: # 58

Heres an example of a lie to support a belief :

A woman named “Lady Hope” spoke to a church group shortly after the death of Charles Darwin. She claimed that she was at Darwin’s bedside on the day of his death. She also claimed that Darwin recanted on evolution and accepted Jesus on his deathbed.

Her claims are not only unsupported, but are directly opposed by Darwin’s daughter, Henrietta.

Henrietta stated “I was present at his deathbed, Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. I am upset that the U.S. Christians have fabricated this conversion nonsense. The whole story has no foundation whatever.” February 23, 1922.

Untouchability and Sex http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6258291.stm

Saddam - The Sacrificial Lion Saddam is a martyr, says Sena mouthpiece
Mahesh Mhatre
Mumbai, January 2 : Shiv Sena mouthpiece Saamna has strongly criticised the hanging of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

“Saddam was sentenced to death for mass killing, but if we use the same yardstick for America we will have to hang President Bush a thousand times,” says the editorial of the daily. Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray is the editor of Saamna.

Thackeray praises Saddam for his fight with the American government. His paper has been publishing pro-Saddam news reports and articles over the last few days. On Monday, it published a full-sized editorial calling the Iraqi dictator a “martyr”.

Saddam - The Sacrificial Lion Saddam is a martyr, says Sena mouthpiece
Mahesh Mhatre
Mumbai, January 2 : Shiv Sena mouthpiece Saamna has strongly criticised the hanging of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

“Saddam was sentenced to death for mass killing, but if we use the same yardstick for America we will have to hang President Bush a thousand times,” says the editorial of the daily. Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray is the editor of Saamna.

Thackeray praises Saddam for his fight with the American government. His paper has been publishing pro-Saddam news reports and articles over the last few days. On Monday, it published a full-sized editorial calling the Iraqi dictator a “martyr”.

Saddam - The Sacrificial Lion Whatever else Saddam was, sophisticated he was not.

Using the anology of a thief entering your house and threatening with a knife, Saddam should intelligently saved himself, or at least protected his country - by giving himself upto the Americans initially.

Had he done that, thousands of innocents that the bood hungry neo-cons were determined to kill would have been saved.

Having said that, the hanging of Saddam following a sham trial, with the attendant hype will awaken the world to the dangers that America poses to world peace.

Is it time to recognize Dalit Muslims and Dalit Christians? Re: # 57 and # 63

There was NO religion before organised religion came into being just 5000 years ago.
The first Vedas do not even mention God.

Now compare this with the thousands and thousands of years that humans have been around. Though there may have been other superstitions, there was nothing about god.

ALL that is needed for religion to dissappear, is for children to be free of brainwashing abuse at an young age.

Is it time to recognize Dalit Muslims and Dalit Christians? No comment



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