Khuda Hafiz, Kashmir?
http://rediff.com/news/2001/aug/07jk5.htm
Posted by
pennathur
Aug 7, 2001 02:06 pm
Another heroic assault by ``freedom Fighters``http://rediff.com/news/2001/aug/07jk5.htm
Why I am leaving
I really hope that, for the sake of you, Zahid and many others, Pakistan turns the corner and somehow makes it out of the dead end it is in. Unfortunately several existing conditions militate against a quick recovery.
Your country has reached where it is because foreign assistance has all but dried up while your indebtedness grows and grows into a monstrous ogre (Your foreign debt is almost as much as India`s). There is no sign that the government plans to accelerate investment in human resources or the infrastructure or strengthen the institutional framework. The revenue base remains miniscule and shows no sin of development. Your old economy entrepreneurs are taking their money out to more hospitable places like Jordan (if these boys like Zahid haven`t already left for the US).
These are the factors that make people like Zahid despondent.
Posted by
pennathur
Aug 7, 2001 02:06 pm
Romair,I really hope that, for the sake of you, Zahid and many others, Pakistan turns the corner and somehow makes it out of the dead end it is in. Unfortunately several existing conditions militate against a quick recovery.
Your country has reached where it is because foreign assistance has all but dried up while your indebtedness grows and grows into a monstrous ogre (Your foreign debt is almost as much as India`s). There is no sign that the government plans to accelerate investment in human resources or the infrastructure or strengthen the institutional framework. The revenue base remains miniscule and shows no sin of development. Your old economy entrepreneurs are taking their money out to more hospitable places like Jordan (if these boys like Zahid haven`t already left for the US).
These are the factors that make people like Zahid despondent.
Why I am leaving
You seem to be setting up a straw man to then burn it and prove your point about ``learning by rote`` in India!
Tulsi Thathagata or Ramar Pillai may be frauds but what about the other 14 children sent to Germany?
The point is not whether children learn by rote or whatever way. The point is that they continue to do well in the most varied and adverese situations.Ultimately education is meant to help you face the unexpected. Indian education from that point of view is as as good if not better than any other system in the world
Posted by
pennathur
Aug 7, 2001 10:34 am
AeIsha,You seem to be setting up a straw man to then burn it and prove your point about ``learning by rote`` in India!
Tulsi Thathagata or Ramar Pillai may be frauds but what about the other 14 children sent to Germany?
The point is not whether children learn by rote or whatever way. The point is that they continue to do well in the most varied and adverese situations.Ultimately education is meant to help you face the unexpected. Indian education from that point of view is as as good if not better than any other system in the world
Why I am leaving
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Shah
Posted by
pennathur
Aug 7, 2001 10:14 am
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Shah
Why I am leaving
Your anguish is understandable. But again you are one of those lucky few that manage to secure the coveted J1 visas available for medical graduates. This isn’t one of those puerile India vs. Pakistan articles that Chowk so often manages to post. All the same a few points are in order for the benefit of YLH and Co.
Students leaving India to study abroad don’t agonize any longer. The ones who stay back do as well if not better than those who opt to leave India. Living in India isn’t as gloomy as some expats make it out to be. There is plenty of Scotch available in the open market and so Customs Officers as a rule don’t waste their time asking for a bottle or two. The threat of a complaint to the Central Vigilance Commissioner (who maintains a fearsome website) can sometimes scare off pesky bureaucrats. I have any number of friends who have prospered in recent years without bribing their way around.
I ran my own business – with little success – for a few years before coming here to the US. My business failed for a number of reasons – but definitely not because I couldn’t bribe my way thru. Contrary to what some might think the best aren’t leaving India. It’s the ones who want to see the world with a foreign education who are leaving. The ones who stay back are confident that they will anyway “make it overseas” sooner or later.
There is a fair amount of competition for investment between some of the more progressive States. These days hardly anyone holds the Central Government responsible for industrial development.
YLH is right in a way. India really has a lot to think over to waste its time worrying about Pakistan. But dear Yasser you shd step across the border one of these days you would be surprised how little people bother about Pakistan in India!
Posted by
pennathur
Aug 6, 2001 08:25 pm
Zahid,Your anguish is understandable. But again you are one of those lucky few that manage to secure the coveted J1 visas available for medical graduates. This isn’t one of those puerile India vs. Pakistan articles that Chowk so often manages to post. All the same a few points are in order for the benefit of YLH and Co.
Students leaving India to study abroad don’t agonize any longer. The ones who stay back do as well if not better than those who opt to leave India. Living in India isn’t as gloomy as some expats make it out to be. There is plenty of Scotch available in the open market and so Customs Officers as a rule don’t waste their time asking for a bottle or two. The threat of a complaint to the Central Vigilance Commissioner (who maintains a fearsome website) can sometimes scare off pesky bureaucrats. I have any number of friends who have prospered in recent years without bribing their way around.
I ran my own business – with little success – for a few years before coming here to the US. My business failed for a number of reasons – but definitely not because I couldn’t bribe my way thru. Contrary to what some might think the best aren’t leaving India. It’s the ones who want to see the world with a foreign education who are leaving. The ones who stay back are confident that they will anyway “make it overseas” sooner or later.
There is a fair amount of competition for investment between some of the more progressive States. These days hardly anyone holds the Central Government responsible for industrial development.
YLH is right in a way. India really has a lot to think over to waste its time worrying about Pakistan. But dear Yasser you shd step across the border one of these days you would be surprised how little people bother about Pakistan in India!
Why I am leaving
Your anguish is understandable. But again you are one of those lucky few that manage to secure the coveted J1 visas available for medical graduates. This isn’t one of those puerile India vs. Pakistan articles that Chowk so often manages to post. All the same a few points are in order for the benefit of YLH and Co.
Students leaving India to study abroad don’t agonize any longer. The ones who stay back do as well if not better than those who opt to leave India. Living in India isn’t as gloomy as some expats make it out to be. There is plenty of Scotch available in the open market and so Customs Officers as a rule don’t waste their time asking for a bottle or two. The threat of a complaint to the Central Vigilance Commissioner (who maintains a fearsome website) can sometimes scare off pesky bureaucrats. I have any number of friends who have prospered in recent years without bribing their way around.
I ran my own business – with little success – for a few years before coming here to the US. My business failed for a number of reasons – but definitely not because I couldn’t bribe my way thru. Contrary to what some might think the best aren’t leaving India. It’s the ones who want to see the world with a foreign education who are leaving. The ones who stay back are confident that they will anyway “make it overseas” sooner or later.
There is a fair amount of competition for investment between some of the more progressive States. These days hardly anyone holds the Central Government responsible for industrial development.
YLH is right in a way. India really has a lot to think over to waste its time worrying about Pakistan. But dear Yasser you shd step across the border one of these days you would be surprised how little people bother about Pakistan in India!
Posted by
pennathur
Aug 6, 2001 08:25 pm
Zahid,Your anguish is understandable. But again you are one of those lucky few that manage to secure the coveted J1 visas available for medical graduates. This isn’t one of those puerile India vs. Pakistan articles that Chowk so often manages to post. All the same a few points are in order for the benefit of YLH and Co.
Students leaving India to study abroad don’t agonize any longer. The ones who stay back do as well if not better than those who opt to leave India. Living in India isn’t as gloomy as some expats make it out to be. There is plenty of Scotch available in the open market and so Customs Officers as a rule don’t waste their time asking for a bottle or two. The threat of a complaint to the Central Vigilance Commissioner (who maintains a fearsome website) can sometimes scare off pesky bureaucrats. I have any number of friends who have prospered in recent years without bribing their way around.
I ran my own business – with little success – for a few years before coming here to the US. My business failed for a number of reasons – but definitely not because I couldn’t bribe my way thru. Contrary to what some might think the best aren’t leaving India. It’s the ones who want to see the world with a foreign education who are leaving. The ones who stay back are confident that they will anyway “make it overseas” sooner or later.
There is a fair amount of competition for investment between some of the more progressive States. These days hardly anyone holds the Central Government responsible for industrial development.
YLH is right in a way. India really has a lot to think over to waste its time worrying about Pakistan. But dear Yasser you shd step across the border one of these days you would be surprised how little people bother about Pakistan in India!
Open Letter to Prime Minister Vajpayee
For all Pakistanis and Indians on this forum
-This man is a demagogue and swollen headed hack who passes himself of as a film-maker. Beware he is no good
Posted by
pennathur
May 11, 2001 07:38 pm
Hey Anand you gasbag! (Also famous for the H-bomb) what were you doing when Ram Vilas Paswan and his friends from ``weaker sections`` (weaker indeed) ran amok at Shanti Van a decade back - almost destroying the mausoleum and snuffing out the eternal flame?For all Pakistanis and Indians on this forum
-This man is a demagogue and swollen headed hack who passes himself of as a film-maker. Beware he is no good
Obsession with Borderline Issues
Posted by
pennathur
May 11, 2001 07:38 pm
Hummm! Very surprising and interesting too. Someone on Chowk (whom I presume was born Muslim) has found that there are interesting parts to Hindu belief and faith. Reminds me of my Muslim Indian friends back home in India (at least two of whom know a lot of Sanskrit unlike me!)
Sher Shah Suri
And then we have this Indo-Pakistan! That surely takes the cake! What a laugh riot!
The Mughal rule - if one can call that - rarely extended beyond Delhi. what ultimately brought the ruin of this ``empire`` was its economic decline caused by 200 years of ceaseless war mongering all over India. It took Ghauri and his buthchers a century to obtain a foothold in India. The Mughals almost got it only to lose it ignominously.
Wake up ylh and smell the coffee. There are more interesting things going on today.
Posted by
pennathur
Apr 23, 2001 08:19 pm
When ylh is around can amusement be afar! So we have this great fairy tale of one cruel tyrant - Sher Shah - vs. another tyrant, a pedarast, drunkard, charsi/haphimi the great Humayun.And then we have this Indo-Pakistan! That surely takes the cake! What a laugh riot!
The Mughal rule - if one can call that - rarely extended beyond Delhi. what ultimately brought the ruin of this ``empire`` was its economic decline caused by 200 years of ceaseless war mongering all over India. It took Ghauri and his buthchers a century to obtain a foothold in India. The Mughals almost got it only to lose it ignominously.
Wake up ylh and smell the coffee. There are more interesting things going on today.
Pico’quant Tales
I too happen to be an Iyer - I think this guy Pico should be nano`ised into insignificance!
Posted by
pennathur
Dec 30, 2000 02:42 am
This twerp Pico Iyer is insufferable. You have been kind to him Rehan dear.I too happen to be an Iyer - I think this guy Pico should be nano`ised into insignificance!
The Soft Option
Spare us this nonsense! Stop writing for those 4 million odd bums of Kashmir (I am leaving Jammu and Ladakh out of this) who live off the sweatof the labor of the rest of India. For heaven`s sake the state of JK has produced more Doctors and Engineers out of its institutions during the 1960s and 70s than all of Pakistan did. It is being subsidised by the rest of India. So we must demand our due from all those bloated indolent bums. And you want to let that go?!
JK is a State where people from the rest of India can`t own property and run a business. And we make much of Thackeray`s ``sons of the soil`` ``amchi mathi amcha manas`` policy.
Go on Farzana. Wake up and smell the coffee!
Quit this carping. Write about something that you really know something. If all you know is to rave and rant quit writing.
Posted by
pennathur
Dec 6, 2000 08:34 pm
Oh Farzana!! Again!!Spare us this nonsense! Stop writing for those 4 million odd bums of Kashmir (I am leaving Jammu and Ladakh out of this) who live off the sweatof the labor of the rest of India. For heaven`s sake the state of JK has produced more Doctors and Engineers out of its institutions during the 1960s and 70s than all of Pakistan did. It is being subsidised by the rest of India. So we must demand our due from all those bloated indolent bums. And you want to let that go?!
JK is a State where people from the rest of India can`t own property and run a business. And we make much of Thackeray`s ``sons of the soil`` ``amchi mathi amcha manas`` policy.
Go on Farzana. Wake up and smell the coffee!
Quit this carping. Write about something that you really know something. If all you know is to rave and rant quit writing.
Bigotry, Racism and American Media
But then consider this
- During the 2nd WW, the Mufti of Jerusalem inspected a guard of honor of the Waffen SS and commended them for their actions against the Jews
- Israel employs Muslims in its Armed Forces. Muslim citizens of Israel can take time off for their prayers on Fridays
- Israel`s massacre in Shattila pales in comparison with the massacre of Palestinians in Jordan in the early 1970s. Tanks were used to mow down 1000s of men women and children. The perations were supervised by a young Pakistani Cavalry officer called Zia-ul-Haq.
Many have, as a rule, remained silent at the many acts of terrorist violence against the Israelis in the past.
I support the Palestinians. What I object to is the spin on put on this conflict to make it sound as a Muslim vs. Non-Muslim conflict. It is not. And what everyone is objecting to including our LA Times Correspondent is the demonization of ISrael on the one hand and the acquisence of organised terror perpetrated by various groups that claim to be inspired by Islam. This was the same thing that happened in the Balkans. A bunch of scallywags, scoundrels and cut throats - the Kosovo Liberation Army - became defenders of freedom, while in reality there were no bettet than human butchers. Fortunately or unfortunately for everyone concerned Israel is not another Yugoslavia to be bombed into submission.
It is time all liberal minded Muslims condemned terrorism perpetrated by groups that claim to be ISlamic. Unless that is done, the media and public figures will continue to criticise Muslims - entirely unwarranted and unjustified and incorrect.
Posted by
pennathur
Nov 8, 2000 10:40 pm
Israel`s action against the Palestinians makes sad reading.But then consider this
- During the 2nd WW, the Mufti of Jerusalem inspected a guard of honor of the Waffen SS and commended them for their actions against the Jews
- Israel employs Muslims in its Armed Forces. Muslim citizens of Israel can take time off for their prayers on Fridays
- Israel`s massacre in Shattila pales in comparison with the massacre of Palestinians in Jordan in the early 1970s. Tanks were used to mow down 1000s of men women and children. The perations were supervised by a young Pakistani Cavalry officer called Zia-ul-Haq.
Many have, as a rule, remained silent at the many acts of terrorist violence against the Israelis in the past.
I support the Palestinians. What I object to is the spin on put on this conflict to make it sound as a Muslim vs. Non-Muslim conflict. It is not. And what everyone is objecting to including our LA Times Correspondent is the demonization of ISrael on the one hand and the acquisence of organised terror perpetrated by various groups that claim to be inspired by Islam. This was the same thing that happened in the Balkans. A bunch of scallywags, scoundrels and cut throats - the Kosovo Liberation Army - became defenders of freedom, while in reality there were no bettet than human butchers. Fortunately or unfortunately for everyone concerned Israel is not another Yugoslavia to be bombed into submission.
It is time all liberal minded Muslims condemned terrorism perpetrated by groups that claim to be ISlamic. Unless that is done, the media and public figures will continue to criticise Muslims - entirely unwarranted and unjustified and incorrect.
Bigotry, Racism and American Media
``smash the idols of....`` There we go again! Visions of iconoclasm. I hate to say this but it represents the most violent and extreme interpretation of the Semitic ideal. There is much more to God and spirituality than what is revealed in one particular scripture. Everyone has a lot to learn from other`s religions. So save your hammer to smash the idols of your own ignorance and prejudice
Posted by
pennathur
Nov 8, 2000 10:40 pm
Contemplative,``smash the idols of....`` There we go again! Visions of iconoclasm. I hate to say this but it represents the most violent and extreme interpretation of the Semitic ideal. There is much more to God and spirituality than what is revealed in one particular scripture. Everyone has a lot to learn from other`s religions. So save your hammer to smash the idols of your own ignorance and prejudice
Beware of Ariel Morons and Protect Your Children!
Posted by
pennathur
Nov 7, 2000 02:57 am
The biggest Ariel Moron to be watched out for is one loose cannon called S.P.UdayKumar. This man will frazzle out your brains with his bilge and bovine refuse, sitting comfortably at his Univ.of Minnesota office, while we ordinary Morons read his trash and wonder what he is referring to.
The Imperatives of Power
It`s good to hear of a turkey-shoot where a few thugs are butchered every now and then!
I will drink to that. And that`s the onle language cut-throat duffers understand.
As for the rest out here, rant and rave till you are blue in the face. It doesn`t make a darned difference!!
Posted by
pennathur
Oct 17, 2000 01:42 am
If ``ethnic suppression`` means wiping out a few greasy thugs and cut-throats from Pakistan masquerading as ``freedom fighters`` I am all for it.It`s good to hear of a turkey-shoot where a few thugs are butchered every now and then!
I will drink to that. And that`s the onle language cut-throat duffers understand.
As for the rest out here, rant and rave till you are blue in the face. It doesn`t make a darned difference!!
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