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Rashid Latif’s Abeyance From One Day Cricket
JJ: question should be left to lawyers. We ( non lawyers can not understand leagal meaning). That is what i said and said Manto feels its not crime.
What are you talking about ? Which legal meanings you are refering to ? I did not talk about any crime in the article.
I am sorry but I really did not get what you are saying ?
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Sep 29, 2003 09:32 am
Hi Mr Madni,JJ: question should be left to lawyers. We ( non lawyers can not understand leagal meaning). That is what i said and said Manto feels its not crime.
What are you talking about ? Which legal meanings you are refering to ? I did not talk about any crime in the article.
I am sorry but I really did not get what you are saying ?
Jarrar
Rashid Latif’s Abeyance From One Day Cricket
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If a player is outside the crease when the bowler comes up to the stumps to bowl he can stump him/runhim out, but it never happens. Its the whole fairplay gentlemanly aspect of the game of Cricket. Rashid Latid dropped the catch it was pretty obvious.
}
I wouldn`t go as far as saying it has never happen, yes it is rare. I am willing to bet that if a batsman is standing out of his crease the bowler will run him out, and I don`t know how it is unethical or unfair.
It is a tradition that you play it fair, but it has always been violated that is why you need written rules you can refer to at the time of confusion especially now when Cricket has spread in the four cornors of the world.
As back as great Sir Dr. William Gilbert Grace (aka W.G GRace) we know how ungentlemanish he was. It is documented that he would cheat in toss, would hide ball in his person and run out batsmen and many more such shadowy deeds. Oh and the would any one call body-line series an act of gentlemen ? What about Dennis Lillee on TV kicking Javid Miandad.
Yes it was suppose to be played by gentlemen in the sense of true gamesmanship as per its traditions. This whole idea is wrong in the day and age of commercilaization. The spirit of the game is to play it as per rules laid-down in ICC books.
No I do not think it is a conspiracy against Paksitan and firmly beleive that it is a mistake to expect people to play by so-called pseudo traditions of the game.
I dont think Pakistan will out-play South Africans but it sure will be a good series to watch!!
JArrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Sep 27, 2003 09:03 am
asadm,{
If a player is outside the crease when the bowler comes up to the stumps to bowl he can stump him/runhim out, but it never happens. Its the whole fairplay gentlemanly aspect of the game of Cricket. Rashid Latid dropped the catch it was pretty obvious.
}
I wouldn`t go as far as saying it has never happen, yes it is rare. I am willing to bet that if a batsman is standing out of his crease the bowler will run him out, and I don`t know how it is unethical or unfair.
It is a tradition that you play it fair, but it has always been violated that is why you need written rules you can refer to at the time of confusion especially now when Cricket has spread in the four cornors of the world.
As back as great Sir Dr. William Gilbert Grace (aka W.G GRace) we know how ungentlemanish he was. It is documented that he would cheat in toss, would hide ball in his person and run out batsmen and many more such shadowy deeds. Oh and the would any one call body-line series an act of gentlemen ? What about Dennis Lillee on TV kicking Javid Miandad.
Yes it was suppose to be played by gentlemen in the sense of true gamesmanship as per its traditions. This whole idea is wrong in the day and age of commercilaization. The spirit of the game is to play it as per rules laid-down in ICC books.
No I do not think it is a conspiracy against Paksitan and firmly beleive that it is a mistake to expect people to play by so-called pseudo traditions of the game.
I dont think Pakistan will out-play South Africans but it sure will be a good series to watch!!
JArrar
Rashid Latif’s Abeyance From One Day Cricket
Thanx a bunch for taking so much time to write.
No the itenary does not include Krachi and Peshawar as one of the venues.
Thanx for your suggestion about 4 and 5 star hotels, I always stay at 2 or 3 stars so it does`nt matter to me much, but thanx any way.
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Is cricket Teams are popular n USA or canada.
Do white people play cricket or its mostly desi and black african crowd. Write some time about those teams from america you have mentioned.
}
I guess in Canada Cricket is more popular than USA, but cricket history is very strong and rich in USA. Sir Don has mentioned name of a man named Bart King, who has been a great fastbowler in english county and was from Phildalphea. Sir Don credited him for introducing the art of swing bowling in cricket. First ever international Cricket match was between USA and Canada.
These days Cricket is not that popular among Americans, I would prefer not to think in terms of Blacks and whites though. In our Cricket league there is an american kid, 19 years old, who learent cricket in Colorado and plays in USA under 19. He is a good quick bowler and an awesome hitter.
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I do not want them in cricket as they can bring vulgarity and sex and what not in game and in no time all deshis will be bottom fish hockey is example. As once bush said to his hockey team go and kick buts of deshi hockey teams. You know what happened.
}
It does not matter what me and you want USA team participate in red stripe cup, a premire first class tournament in westindies, and they have decent team. I fail to understand how American will bring vulgarity and sex in the game ? Are you trying to say these things are absent in modernday cricket and that Cricketers of the day do not perform this humanly act of enjoying sex ?
I have no recollection of USA team ever playing field hockey, and Pakistanies every playing ICE-HOCKEY so your comment about Bush`s statement makes little sense to me.
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I wonder if similar action can be taken against India nation( not against indian players) so they will be forced to tour Pakistan and we can send team also. It will be third world war in Subcontinent. Let us hope for sake of game Indians do not resort in desparation to use ball as missile to hit out Wicket Keeper`s head as they did. ( Can team be prosecuted for this type of action and that bowler for trying to hard hit on brain of person.). I hope Indian team will understand winning is good but what means you use are equally important.
}
I don`t think India has ever refused to tour Pakistan for the fear of security to their players, as did South Africans, they have been refusing to come to Paksitan for very politically charged issue of Kashmir. I may not agree with what they do but these two issues are poles apart.
Every country uses sports as a tool of political propaganda USA has done, USSR, Germany, England and our own beloved homeland Pakistan has also done so. These all countries have in past opted to boycott Olympics for political reasons.
Yes I think ICC should take charge of these things and have clear cut policy about what the penality would be in case a country opt to pull out of her tour of another country. It still is a legitimate right of a country to opt not to tour a country for political reasons and me or you agree with the point of view a country is a very different thing any way.
I must confess at the end that I found rest of your post unrelated to matters of cricket in general and issue of Rashid Latif in particular. I can imagine your pain of trying to find a match for your intelligent daughters but I would rather prefer to talk cricket in this post. I hope you understand my limitations.
I am sure other foura on this web site might be better choice to raise your concerns, but not this thanx for understanding.
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Sep 25, 2003 09:33 am
Dear Mr. Madni,Thanx a bunch for taking so much time to write.
No the itenary does not include Krachi and Peshawar as one of the venues.
Thanx for your suggestion about 4 and 5 star hotels, I always stay at 2 or 3 stars so it does`nt matter to me much, but thanx any way.
{
Is cricket Teams are popular n USA or canada.
Do white people play cricket or its mostly desi and black african crowd. Write some time about those teams from america you have mentioned.
}
I guess in Canada Cricket is more popular than USA, but cricket history is very strong and rich in USA. Sir Don has mentioned name of a man named Bart King, who has been a great fastbowler in english county and was from Phildalphea. Sir Don credited him for introducing the art of swing bowling in cricket. First ever international Cricket match was between USA and Canada.
These days Cricket is not that popular among Americans, I would prefer not to think in terms of Blacks and whites though. In our Cricket league there is an american kid, 19 years old, who learent cricket in Colorado and plays in USA under 19. He is a good quick bowler and an awesome hitter.
{
I do not want them in cricket as they can bring vulgarity and sex and what not in game and in no time all deshis will be bottom fish hockey is example. As once bush said to his hockey team go and kick buts of deshi hockey teams. You know what happened.
}
It does not matter what me and you want USA team participate in red stripe cup, a premire first class tournament in westindies, and they have decent team. I fail to understand how American will bring vulgarity and sex in the game ? Are you trying to say these things are absent in modernday cricket and that Cricketers of the day do not perform this humanly act of enjoying sex ?
I have no recollection of USA team ever playing field hockey, and Pakistanies every playing ICE-HOCKEY so your comment about Bush`s statement makes little sense to me.
{
I wonder if similar action can be taken against India nation( not against indian players) so they will be forced to tour Pakistan and we can send team also. It will be third world war in Subcontinent. Let us hope for sake of game Indians do not resort in desparation to use ball as missile to hit out Wicket Keeper`s head as they did. ( Can team be prosecuted for this type of action and that bowler for trying to hard hit on brain of person.). I hope Indian team will understand winning is good but what means you use are equally important.
}
I don`t think India has ever refused to tour Pakistan for the fear of security to their players, as did South Africans, they have been refusing to come to Paksitan for very politically charged issue of Kashmir. I may not agree with what they do but these two issues are poles apart.
Every country uses sports as a tool of political propaganda USA has done, USSR, Germany, England and our own beloved homeland Pakistan has also done so. These all countries have in past opted to boycott Olympics for political reasons.
Yes I think ICC should take charge of these things and have clear cut policy about what the penality would be in case a country opt to pull out of her tour of another country. It still is a legitimate right of a country to opt not to tour a country for political reasons and me or you agree with the point of view a country is a very different thing any way.
I must confess at the end that I found rest of your post unrelated to matters of cricket in general and issue of Rashid Latif in particular. I can imagine your pain of trying to find a match for your intelligent daughters but I would rather prefer to talk cricket in this post. I hope you understand my limitations.
I am sure other foura on this web site might be better choice to raise your concerns, but not this thanx for understanding.
Jarrar
Rashid Latif’s Abeyance From One Day Cricket
Thanx for your comments. By the way South Africa has agreed to have a shortened tour of Pakistan starting from 1st October of this year, this happened once Pakistan threatened to do what your were suggesting.
I have a great deal of respect for Nalsen Mandla and regard him one of the greatest leaders of this century, and I don`t know if ANP`s personnel are purposely mugging foreign cricketrs as I fail to see any political gain from such an act. I think such incidents are isolated simple street-side crimes without any deep political orientation. May you know something I don`t.
Cheers,
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Sep 24, 2003 09:59 pm
ahmedmadani,Thanx for your comments. By the way South Africa has agreed to have a shortened tour of Pakistan starting from 1st October of this year, this happened once Pakistan threatened to do what your were suggesting.
I have a great deal of respect for Nalsen Mandla and regard him one of the greatest leaders of this century, and I don`t know if ANP`s personnel are purposely mugging foreign cricketrs as I fail to see any political gain from such an act. I think such incidents are isolated simple street-side crimes without any deep political orientation. May you know something I don`t.
Cheers,
Jarrar
Rashid Latif’s Abeyance From One Day Cricket
In 6th Paragraph of the article the sentence:
`` When so much money is involved and stacks are so high``
should be read as:
`` When so much money is involved and stakes are so high``.
My apologies for the type that happened to be a genuine word hence no spell check problems.
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Sep 24, 2003 05:22 pm
OoopsIn 6th Paragraph of the article the sentence:
`` When so much money is involved and stacks are so high``
should be read as:
`` When so much money is involved and stakes are so high``.
My apologies for the type that happened to be a genuine word hence no spell check problems.
Jarrar
Rashid Latif’s Abeyance From One Day Cricket
There is not many bigger sporting events on the planet than:
This week-end happened to have the Broncos/Raiders showdown and boy o boy it was some show.
It was great to see Ashly Lelee and Mike Anderson reviving the ``Mile-High Salute`` that one of the greatest Bronco, Terril Davis, invented in late 90s.
As on the topic of Gen Tauqir Zia I am surprized that the man has now turned against Rashid Latif and has publically stated that it still has to be seen if Rashid has a place in the team and criticised the catch that I talked about in this article. He let his son Junaid Zia play for Pakistan, despite below average talents, that in itself speaks how commited he is in playing by the rules.
South African Tour of Pakistan:
I was outraged reading South African refusal to come visit Paksitan, considering the fact that it was recently evaluated by the same country`s Cricket board that it was safe to Play in Pakistan. I have always supported a country`s decision not to play if player`s life is not safe I supported England`s decision to not go to Zimbabwe and Newzland`s decision to abandon their tour of Pak after a bomb blast in their hotel. But UCBSA decided it was safe to play and then within 2 days out of blue in reaction to an isolated bomb-blas pulled out of the tour. Only one word REDICULUS!
Perhaps UCBSA needs to look into the history when Pak players were stabbed, muged in Johnsberg but had no words of complaints when their worldcup base was a city none other than crime capital of RSA Johansberg.
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Sep 24, 2003 05:21 pm
Rozaiba,There is not many bigger sporting events on the planet than:
- India Vs Pakistan Cricket game,
- Raiders Vs Broncos,
- England vs Argentina SOCCER games.
- and of course RED-WINGS Vs AVS
This week-end happened to have the Broncos/Raiders showdown and boy o boy it was some show.
It was great to see Ashly Lelee and Mike Anderson reviving the ``Mile-High Salute`` that one of the greatest Bronco, Terril Davis, invented in late 90s.
As on the topic of Gen Tauqir Zia I am surprized that the man has now turned against Rashid Latif and has publically stated that it still has to be seen if Rashid has a place in the team and criticised the catch that I talked about in this article. He let his son Junaid Zia play for Pakistan, despite below average talents, that in itself speaks how commited he is in playing by the rules.
South African Tour of Pakistan:
I was outraged reading South African refusal to come visit Paksitan, considering the fact that it was recently evaluated by the same country`s Cricket board that it was safe to Play in Pakistan. I have always supported a country`s decision not to play if player`s life is not safe I supported England`s decision to not go to Zimbabwe and Newzland`s decision to abandon their tour of Pak after a bomb blast in their hotel. But UCBSA decided it was safe to play and then within 2 days out of blue in reaction to an isolated bomb-blas pulled out of the tour. Only one word REDICULUS!
Perhaps UCBSA needs to look into the history when Pak players were stabbed, muged in Johnsberg but had no words of complaints when their worldcup base was a city none other than crime capital of RSA Johansberg.
Jarrar
Do Foes of Gay Marriages Simply Fear Joy?
sac you wrote:
In any case this whole gay thing is media and academia inspired and will die down once the AIDS graph starts rising again....Ironically encouraging gay marriages may be one way to slow the disease!
It almost looks like you are under the false impression that AIDS is caused by homesexuality, or even worse the idea that the menace of AIDS owes its origin to the homesexulaity.
I pitty such people as it is lack-of-knowledge that can lead one to believe in ideas based on conjecture and hersay.
It is theorized that AIDS first spread through a particular species of champanze most probably through blood contact that occured during hunting and/or during dressing the injured animals.
The virus, HIV that causes AIDS spreads through one of these ways:
Blood contact and un-protected sexual activities are the leading reasons for spreading HIV virus and THIS IS A WRONG IMPRESSION THAT AIDS IS CAUSED THROUGH HOMOSEXUALITY.
You have a better chance of survival if you are well aware, so educate yourself and those whom you know about AIDS.
Munbjan.
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Sep 23, 2003 11:36 am
Hi,sac you wrote:
In any case this whole gay thing is media and academia inspired and will die down once the AIDS graph starts rising again....Ironically encouraging gay marriages may be one way to slow the disease!
It almost looks like you are under the false impression that AIDS is caused by homesexuality, or even worse the idea that the menace of AIDS owes its origin to the homesexulaity.
I pitty such people as it is lack-of-knowledge that can lead one to believe in ideas based on conjecture and hersay.
It is theorized that AIDS first spread through a particular species of champanze most probably through blood contact that occured during hunting and/or during dressing the injured animals.
The virus, HIV that causes AIDS spreads through one of these ways:
- BLOOD: Blood transfusions etc the strongest concentartion of the HIV virus is in the blood.
- SEMEN: The 2nd highest concentartion of the HIV virus is found in human semen and in all or any way that one gets semen from an affected person the cahnces are that person will get affected by HIV. It does not matter if this happens through homosexuality or hetrosexually the chances are equally good that an affected person will transfer his/her virus to the companion.
- Vaginal Secretions:
- Brest Milk: The least of all factors is brest feeding babies by the affected mother. But 100s of childern in Africa got this dreaded virus through their mothers.
Blood contact and un-protected sexual activities are the leading reasons for spreading HIV virus and THIS IS A WRONG IMPRESSION THAT AIDS IS CAUSED THROUGH HOMOSEXUALITY.
You have a better chance of survival if you are well aware, so educate yourself and those whom you know about AIDS.
Munbjan.
My Critique of Lt. Gen. Tauqir Zia’s Article
Missing the point
>By Imran Khan
>Former Pakistan captain
>After reading Lt-General Tauqir Zia`s article my pessimism about the
>future of Pakistan cricket actually increased.
>Surely, the PCB Chairman should have expected criticism considering
the
>way Pakistan cricket has declined since he took over in 2000. Then it
>was considered the second best team in the world; the last six month
>have been the worst in our history, culminating in World Cup
>humiliation. But he is correct in saying that some of the criticism is
>motivated by those with ulterior motives.
>Let me hasten to reassure him that I have no ambitions to either
become
>PCB chairman or take some lucrative post on the Board . I have been
>vocal about the pathetic state of Pakistan`s domestic cricket
structure
>for some two decades. Having played domestic cricket for eight years,
>Test cricket for 21, English county cricket for 17 a season in
>Australia`s Shield cricket, and captained Pakistan for 10, longer than
>anyone in our history. am I not qualified in offering suggestion on
how
>to improve the quality of my country cricket that I have given the
best
>years of my life to and which gave me so much in return?
>According to the PCB chairman I had claimed that Waqar`s team was
better
>than the one that won the World Cup in 1992 but once it lost I
>criticized the whole setup. Indeed I am convinced that the team that
>participated in this World Cup was better than the one that I led in
>1992 but worse than the ones that played the 1996 and 1999 world cups.
>Almost all the cricket experts regarded Pakistan as the most exciting
>and talented team in the 1999 competition. This time it was the only
>major Test playing team that could not go beyond the qualifying round
>without any excuses (England forfeited its match against Zimbabwe and
>South Africa and West Indies suffered because of the weather).
Moreover,
>in the previous five months our cricket suffered some of its most
>humiliating defeat in its history, signifying that the World Cup was
not
>a temporary hiccup but that a terminal decline had set in. Therefore
my
>criticism was at two levels: one, the poor strategy and negative
tactics
>employed in World Cup 2003 and, two, the reasons for the steady
decline
>of Pakistan cricket, which is the domestic cricket structure with its
>vested interests.
>Tauqir Zia may have put a lot of effort and passion in wanting to see
>Pakistan cricket to do well and I do believe him. My criticism of
>domestic cricket is directed not any individual but at the status quo.
I
>believe that in the last 20 years either the PCB chairman have not had
>adequate understanding of the game to develop a vision of putting
>Pakistan cricket on the right lines or they have not had the guts to
>take on the vested interests that hold our cricket hostage. Tauqir
Zia`s
>fault lies in surrounding himself with and taking advice from people
who
>are directly or indirectly benefiting from the sponsor organisations.
>They thus have a stake in maintaining the status quo. These
>organizations have to first be purged from our first class cricket and
>then persuaded to sponsor regional or city teams. Each time I have
tried>to suggest that Pakistan domestic cricket should be on regional basis,
>as is the norm in the entire cricketing world (nowhere do sponsor
field
>their own teams in first class cricket), the vested interests with one
>voice say that the players will become unemployed, as if the PCB`s
main
>aim is to provide employment to cricketers rather than making the
>Pakistan team the best in the world.
>Today `change management` is a science and whenever multinationals
want
>to revamp their organizational structure they get in specialists
trained
>specifically for the job. The first thing the specialists do is to
>neutralize all vested interest that are benefiting from the status
quo.
>Thanks to the sponsor organizations` mafia surrounding him, General
>Tauqir Zia, like his predecessors, has continued this farcical system
>which enables organization like banks, PIA, Railway etc to field their
>own teams by directly employing cricketers. These organizations play
on
>hired grounds that, for those who understand the game, know is
>unheard-of in first class cricket elsewhere. First class teams
>everywhere have their own grounds. There is zero crowd interest as no
>one is pushed about watching two banks playing each other. Imagine if
>there was a World Cup of multinationals! Would there be the same
degree
>of interest as a world cup of countries. The result of our hotch-potch
>first class cricket is that instead of polishing our abundant talent,
it
>actually destroys it. In my presence Clive Lloyd and Ian Chappell, two
>of cricket`s best minds, told General Tauqir on different occasions
>about the world-class potential of Imran Nazir. Yet once dropped from
>the national team he has disappeared from the scene, lost in our
>decaying domestic cricket. When I wanted to selected Inzamamul Haq in
>the national team in October 1991 I was told by the selectors in that
he
>was not good enough for international cricket. When I insisted and got
>his inclusion one of the selectors resigned. He went on to become one
of
>the world`s leading batsman. Pakistan has been fortunate in having
great
>talent, yet for the players to develop their technique and temperament
>enough to compete on the international stage a proper and modern
cricket
>structure is vital. Were we to reform our cricket structure purely on
>regional lines and put all our resources in it rather than squandering
>them on cricket academies, expensive coaches, redundant lights at
>exorbitant cost, we would become the only country with the talent to
>challenge Australia.
>Without these radical reforms we will only go down a descending
spiral,
>changing teams captains coaches and selectors, as we have been doing
in
>the past five years. This will be like treating cancer with aspirin.
The
>academies in Australia are only useful because their Sheffield Shield
>cricket is of an incredibly high standard. The knowledge gained in
>academies can only be beneficial if it can be put into practice in
>quality first class cricket, else it remains purely academic. Without
>changing the concept of our first cricket structure from department to
>regional teams only, these academies and coaches are simply a waste of
>money.
>Therefore for the PCB chairman to simply blame the decline in Pakistan
>cricket on the senior players is grossly unfair. Have we forgotten
that
>the team that was decimated by the Australians a few months back in
the
>second Test in Sharjah, out for shamefully low record scores of 52 and
>58, was without the stars and comprised more or less the same
youngsters
>who have been selected for the April Sharjah tour. If the stars do
>behave like pre-Madonnas it`s because they are not being challenged by
>younger players thrown up by domestic cricket, unlike the Australians
>who are constantly under pressure from fresh blood and on one not even
a
>great like McGrath, can be complacent. The big question is: why did
the
>PCB not disciple the stars all these years? Why this sudden
realization
>about their lack of commitment and discipline after the World Cup?
>Answer: because the PCB was petrified that it would lose without them
>and hence went out of its way to mollycoddle them and pamper them with
>cash incentives. What is the guarantee that the stars of tomorrow will
>not behave exactly like their predecessors?
>The reason I recommended Wasim Akram as an interim captain was not
>because he was my protege but because he is the player most qualified
>for the job. He is Pakistan`s most successful cricketer and since 1992
>the most experienced captain. Above all, he can hold his place in the
>team.
>Finally, while I do not doubt the sincerity of General Tauqir Zia, I
am
>afraid all the measures he has taken to make us feel optimistic about
>Pakistan cricket are nothing new. He is merely tinkering with a tried
>and failed cricket structure and is thus destined to give the
Pakistani
>cricketing public more heartache.
>
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Apr 17, 2003 08:56 am
Great Khan, himself wrote following article in his defense. Itw as sent to me via Email:Missing the point
>By Imran Khan
>Former Pakistan captain
>After reading Lt-General Tauqir Zia`s article my pessimism about the
>future of Pakistan cricket actually increased.
>Surely, the PCB Chairman should have expected criticism considering
the
>way Pakistan cricket has declined since he took over in 2000. Then it
>was considered the second best team in the world; the last six month
>have been the worst in our history, culminating in World Cup
>humiliation. But he is correct in saying that some of the criticism is
>motivated by those with ulterior motives.
>Let me hasten to reassure him that I have no ambitions to either
become
>PCB chairman or take some lucrative post on the Board . I have been
>vocal about the pathetic state of Pakistan`s domestic cricket
structure
>for some two decades. Having played domestic cricket for eight years,
>Test cricket for 21, English county cricket for 17 a season in
>Australia`s Shield cricket, and captained Pakistan for 10, longer than
>anyone in our history. am I not qualified in offering suggestion on
how
>to improve the quality of my country cricket that I have given the
best
>years of my life to and which gave me so much in return?
>According to the PCB chairman I had claimed that Waqar`s team was
better
>than the one that won the World Cup in 1992 but once it lost I
>criticized the whole setup. Indeed I am convinced that the team that
>participated in this World Cup was better than the one that I led in
>1992 but worse than the ones that played the 1996 and 1999 world cups.
>Almost all the cricket experts regarded Pakistan as the most exciting
>and talented team in the 1999 competition. This time it was the only
>major Test playing team that could not go beyond the qualifying round
>without any excuses (England forfeited its match against Zimbabwe and
>South Africa and West Indies suffered because of the weather).
Moreover,
>in the previous five months our cricket suffered some of its most
>humiliating defeat in its history, signifying that the World Cup was
not
>a temporary hiccup but that a terminal decline had set in. Therefore
my
>criticism was at two levels: one, the poor strategy and negative
tactics
>employed in World Cup 2003 and, two, the reasons for the steady
decline
>of Pakistan cricket, which is the domestic cricket structure with its
>vested interests.
>Tauqir Zia may have put a lot of effort and passion in wanting to see
>Pakistan cricket to do well and I do believe him. My criticism of
>domestic cricket is directed not any individual but at the status quo.
I
>believe that in the last 20 years either the PCB chairman have not had
>adequate understanding of the game to develop a vision of putting
>Pakistan cricket on the right lines or they have not had the guts to
>take on the vested interests that hold our cricket hostage. Tauqir
Zia`s
>fault lies in surrounding himself with and taking advice from people
who
>are directly or indirectly benefiting from the sponsor organisations.
>They thus have a stake in maintaining the status quo. These
>organizations have to first be purged from our first class cricket and
>then persuaded to sponsor regional or city teams. Each time I have
tried>to suggest that Pakistan domestic cricket should be on regional basis,
>as is the norm in the entire cricketing world (nowhere do sponsor
field
>their own teams in first class cricket), the vested interests with one
>voice say that the players will become unemployed, as if the PCB`s
main
>aim is to provide employment to cricketers rather than making the
>Pakistan team the best in the world.
>Today `change management` is a science and whenever multinationals
want
>to revamp their organizational structure they get in specialists
trained
>specifically for the job. The first thing the specialists do is to
>neutralize all vested interest that are benefiting from the status
quo.
>Thanks to the sponsor organizations` mafia surrounding him, General
>Tauqir Zia, like his predecessors, has continued this farcical system
>which enables organization like banks, PIA, Railway etc to field their
>own teams by directly employing cricketers. These organizations play
on
>hired grounds that, for those who understand the game, know is
>unheard-of in first class cricket elsewhere. First class teams
>everywhere have their own grounds. There is zero crowd interest as no
>one is pushed about watching two banks playing each other. Imagine if
>there was a World Cup of multinationals! Would there be the same
degree
>of interest as a world cup of countries. The result of our hotch-potch
>first class cricket is that instead of polishing our abundant talent,
it
>actually destroys it. In my presence Clive Lloyd and Ian Chappell, two
>of cricket`s best minds, told General Tauqir on different occasions
>about the world-class potential of Imran Nazir. Yet once dropped from
>the national team he has disappeared from the scene, lost in our
>decaying domestic cricket. When I wanted to selected Inzamamul Haq in
>the national team in October 1991 I was told by the selectors in that
he
>was not good enough for international cricket. When I insisted and got
>his inclusion one of the selectors resigned. He went on to become one
of
>the world`s leading batsman. Pakistan has been fortunate in having
great
>talent, yet for the players to develop their technique and temperament
>enough to compete on the international stage a proper and modern
cricket
>structure is vital. Were we to reform our cricket structure purely on
>regional lines and put all our resources in it rather than squandering
>them on cricket academies, expensive coaches, redundant lights at
>exorbitant cost, we would become the only country with the talent to
>challenge Australia.
>Without these radical reforms we will only go down a descending
spiral,
>changing teams captains coaches and selectors, as we have been doing
in
>the past five years. This will be like treating cancer with aspirin.
The
>academies in Australia are only useful because their Sheffield Shield
>cricket is of an incredibly high standard. The knowledge gained in
>academies can only be beneficial if it can be put into practice in
>quality first class cricket, else it remains purely academic. Without
>changing the concept of our first cricket structure from department to
>regional teams only, these academies and coaches are simply a waste of
>money.
>Therefore for the PCB chairman to simply blame the decline in Pakistan
>cricket on the senior players is grossly unfair. Have we forgotten
that
>the team that was decimated by the Australians a few months back in
the
>second Test in Sharjah, out for shamefully low record scores of 52 and
>58, was without the stars and comprised more or less the same
youngsters
>who have been selected for the April Sharjah tour. If the stars do
>behave like pre-Madonnas it`s because they are not being challenged by
>younger players thrown up by domestic cricket, unlike the Australians
>who are constantly under pressure from fresh blood and on one not even
a
>great like McGrath, can be complacent. The big question is: why did
the
>PCB not disciple the stars all these years? Why this sudden
realization
>about their lack of commitment and discipline after the World Cup?
>Answer: because the PCB was petrified that it would lose without them
>and hence went out of its way to mollycoddle them and pamper them with
>cash incentives. What is the guarantee that the stars of tomorrow will
>not behave exactly like their predecessors?
>The reason I recommended Wasim Akram as an interim captain was not
>because he was my protege but because he is the player most qualified
>for the job. He is Pakistan`s most successful cricketer and since 1992
>the most experienced captain. Above all, he can hold his place in the
>team.
>Finally, while I do not doubt the sincerity of General Tauqir Zia, I
am
>afraid all the measures he has taken to make us feel optimistic about
>Pakistan cricket are nothing new. He is merely tinkering with a tried
>and failed cricket structure and is thus destined to give the
Pakistani
>cricketing public more heartache.
>
My Critique of Lt. Gen. Tauqir Zia’s Article
{
{Lets put whatever happened in the world cup behind us and learn from this experience to plan for the next one in the Caribbean. }
humm..then what the purpose of this article? after doing the court marshal of Gen Tauqir, these words make any difference?
}
In my humble opinion one ofthe lessons we could learn from this adventure in South Africa is that people with Gen. Zia`s cricket-managment resume have failed agains and again to make any sane decision and thus PCB is better off without such guys. That is what I was trying to communicate (may be I did horribly bad job in that, but that is what I meant!). I`m not saying that PCB should be headed by an ex- cricketer, I am truly for a person who has a vision, leadrship and great personnel management skills with a keen eye for cricket to come and lead the PCB.
Picking Rashid Latif as a captain is a mistake, I mean the guy has announced his retirement and thus clearly lack long term commitment with the team.
Javid Miandad has been sacked (I think) twice before by the same PCB chairman so there is either something really wrong with Miandad`s coaching or Gen Zia is on something that makes his head spin.
We need to understand that a great player may not be a great coach, and that being a great coach is yet another kind and type of talent.
Great English captain Mike Brearley once wrote about coaching that:
``
Tasks of coaching can be divided into two parts. One part involves finding the strengths of the individuals or team and working in an environment where these can flourish. Second part is spotting areas where change is needed and finding ways of challenging team or individuals to overcome these shortcommings.
If you look closely both of these tasks require a coach to be a great observer, listener and his ability to diagnose.
I hope Miandad posses these abilities but I really doubt that he is a coach matterial, he is perhaps a great batting coach but not the one who can run the whole team. He is caught-up into the Karcahi-vs-Lahore tussle so much that he redicules Imran Khan every now and then.
One of the common criticism about the idea of regional cricket setup is that Departments offer jobs to the players. In my opinion that is the main problem we should not have these Government Departments having teams, because labor laws in Pakistan almost makes it impossible to lay-off an under performing worker or emplyee. It should not be a God given right of player to remian employed after years of sub-par performances. Let the regional teams be run by a sponsor who have stringent contracts and provide facilities for the player to win.
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Apr 8, 2003 09:39 pm
Nawaid:{
{Lets put whatever happened in the world cup behind us and learn from this experience to plan for the next one in the Caribbean. }
humm..then what the purpose of this article? after doing the court marshal of Gen Tauqir, these words make any difference?
}
In my humble opinion one ofthe lessons we could learn from this adventure in South Africa is that people with Gen. Zia`s cricket-managment resume have failed agains and again to make any sane decision and thus PCB is better off without such guys. That is what I was trying to communicate (may be I did horribly bad job in that, but that is what I meant!). I`m not saying that PCB should be headed by an ex- cricketer, I am truly for a person who has a vision, leadrship and great personnel management skills with a keen eye for cricket to come and lead the PCB.
Picking Rashid Latif as a captain is a mistake, I mean the guy has announced his retirement and thus clearly lack long term commitment with the team.
Javid Miandad has been sacked (I think) twice before by the same PCB chairman so there is either something really wrong with Miandad`s coaching or Gen Zia is on something that makes his head spin.
We need to understand that a great player may not be a great coach, and that being a great coach is yet another kind and type of talent.
Great English captain Mike Brearley once wrote about coaching that:
``
Tasks of coaching can be divided into two parts. One part involves finding the strengths of the individuals or team and working in an environment where these can flourish. Second part is spotting areas where change is needed and finding ways of challenging team or individuals to overcome these shortcommings.
If you look closely both of these tasks require a coach to be a great observer, listener and his ability to diagnose.
I hope Miandad posses these abilities but I really doubt that he is a coach matterial, he is perhaps a great batting coach but not the one who can run the whole team. He is caught-up into the Karcahi-vs-Lahore tussle so much that he redicules Imran Khan every now and then.
One of the common criticism about the idea of regional cricket setup is that Departments offer jobs to the players. In my opinion that is the main problem we should not have these Government Departments having teams, because labor laws in Pakistan almost makes it impossible to lay-off an under performing worker or emplyee. It should not be a God given right of player to remian employed after years of sub-par performances. Let the regional teams be run by a sponsor who have stringent contracts and provide facilities for the player to win.
Jarrar
Who Will be World Champion of Cricket ?
Quite opposite to what I thought and wished Aussies won the worldcup in a style.
Ricky Ponting`s batting was just awesome and took match away from India. There was a time when I thought Aussies might end up scoring 400 runs.
Congratulations to Aussies on their 2nd consecutive world cupvictory. Australia is set to win next world cup.
India played great cricket in the world cup and has nothing to feel bad about. India is blessed with some very talented cricketers and their future seems very bright. I hope BCCI does not do the stupidities that PCB is so famous for.
I am thinking of taking off from cricket for a while, I will continue to work on some of the articles that I am writting.
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Mar 23, 2003 01:32 pm
HI Folks,Quite opposite to what I thought and wished Aussies won the worldcup in a style.
Ricky Ponting`s batting was just awesome and took match away from India. There was a time when I thought Aussies might end up scoring 400 runs.
Congratulations to Aussies on their 2nd consecutive world cupvictory. Australia is set to win next world cup.
India played great cricket in the world cup and has nothing to feel bad about. India is blessed with some very talented cricketers and their future seems very bright. I hope BCCI does not do the stupidities that PCB is so famous for.
I am thinking of taking off from cricket for a while, I will continue to work on some of the articles that I am writting.
Jarrar
Who Will be World Champion of Cricket ?
I am an ardent cricket fan in the mould of old cricket lovers for whom the cricket is also very important. I loved the Aussies Vs Pak game and enjoyed throughly the level of professionalism Aussies shown, and who can not love Tendulkar`s batting against Pakistan.
I would have loved to see Pakistan winning and being in the semies, but not the way they played in the world cup. Their team selection, coach selection, team analyst`s selection (Sikandar Bakhat has 69 test wickets and I cant imagine what would he suggest to Akram and Waqar!).
I loved Indian team`s approach and the way Srinath has fine tuned that software that Indian team uses has to be applauded and must be used to learn a lesson or two from it. Indian team is said to have lap-tops for every single player and a computer specialist (who with help from Srinath) developed this software. Each player takes help from the software about his shortcommings and things about opponenet teams.
I am not saying that India will surely win, but my thesis is India is THE TEAM that can put the sentence ``Australia runners up of 2003 world cup`` in the history books.
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Mar 22, 2003 07:11 pm
#17 Pankaj,I am an ardent cricket fan in the mould of old cricket lovers for whom the cricket is also very important. I loved the Aussies Vs Pak game and enjoyed throughly the level of professionalism Aussies shown, and who can not love Tendulkar`s batting against Pakistan.
I would have loved to see Pakistan winning and being in the semies, but not the way they played in the world cup. Their team selection, coach selection, team analyst`s selection (Sikandar Bakhat has 69 test wickets and I cant imagine what would he suggest to Akram and Waqar!).
I loved Indian team`s approach and the way Srinath has fine tuned that software that Indian team uses has to be applauded and must be used to learn a lesson or two from it. Indian team is said to have lap-tops for every single player and a computer specialist (who with help from Srinath) developed this software. Each player takes help from the software about his shortcommings and things about opponenet teams.
I am not saying that India will surely win, but my thesis is India is THE TEAM that can put the sentence ``Australia runners up of 2003 world cup`` in the history books.
Jarrar
Who Will be World Champion of Cricket ?
There has been another very important factor in the victories of the Indian team, the team camaraderie the fact that individual intersts must be suordinated by the team`s goals.
I am great fan of the Yankees organization and been reading a bunch about them and came across an interview of their General Manger Joe Torre. He said:
``I have always judged peopel on effort as oppose to the bottom line ...... All players should be told that they don`t have to be on the winning side to be a winner.``
who would say Kenyans are not winner even though they lost to Aussies and India, its all how you fought. DOes any one remember Aussies Vs S. Africa semi final of 1999?
Here is my advice to Indian team; if you you want to have the title of the world champions and be in the rare league of Windies and Aussies (those who won this vaunted title twice!!) then it boils down to simple five words:
DO THE BEST YOU CAN and belive me you will be world champs.
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Mar 22, 2003 06:53 pm
Hi,There has been another very important factor in the victories of the Indian team, the team camaraderie the fact that individual intersts must be suordinated by the team`s goals.
I am great fan of the Yankees organization and been reading a bunch about them and came across an interview of their General Manger Joe Torre. He said:
``I have always judged peopel on effort as oppose to the bottom line ...... All players should be told that they don`t have to be on the winning side to be a winner.``
who would say Kenyans are not winner even though they lost to Aussies and India, its all how you fought. DOes any one remember Aussies Vs S. Africa semi final of 1999?
Here is my advice to Indian team; if you you want to have the title of the world champions and be in the rare league of Windies and Aussies (those who won this vaunted title twice!!) then it boils down to simple five words:
DO THE BEST YOU CAN and belive me you will be world champs.
Jarrar
Who Will be World Champion of Cricket ?
Feb 15 2003, Centurion: Australia won by 9 wickets
April 6 2001, Goa: Australia won by 4 wickets
April 3 2001, Visakhapatnam: Australia won by 93 runs
Mar 31 2001, Indore: India won by 118 runs
Mar 28 2001, Pune: Australia won by 8 wickets
Mar 25 2001, Bangalore: India won by 60 runs
Oct 7 2000, Nairobi: India won 20 runs
Jan 30 2000, Perth: Australia won by 4 wickets
Jan 26 2000, Adelaide: Australia won by 152 runs
Jan 14 2000, Sydney: Australia won by 5 wickets
Total matches played: 67
Australia wins: 40 India wins: 24 Tied/NR: 3
As they say that ``Statistics are like lamp pole, a drunkard can use to hold on to and it can also be used to light`` so use it the way you want to use.
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Mar 22, 2003 05:59 pm
I wanted to include following statistics in the article, and have no idea how I missed:Feb 15 2003, Centurion: Australia won by 9 wickets
April 6 2001, Goa: Australia won by 4 wickets
April 3 2001, Visakhapatnam: Australia won by 93 runs
Mar 31 2001, Indore: India won by 118 runs
Mar 28 2001, Pune: Australia won by 8 wickets
Mar 25 2001, Bangalore: India won by 60 runs
Oct 7 2000, Nairobi: India won 20 runs
Jan 30 2000, Perth: Australia won by 4 wickets
Jan 26 2000, Adelaide: Australia won by 152 runs
Jan 14 2000, Sydney: Australia won by 5 wickets
Total matches played: 67
Australia wins: 40 India wins: 24 Tied/NR: 3
As they say that ``Statistics are like lamp pole, a drunkard can use to hold on to and it can also be used to light`` so use it the way you want to use.
Jarrar
Who Will be World Champion of Cricket ?
JOHANNESBURG: India are better cricketers than Australia, former India captain and coach Kapil Dev said on the eve of the World Cup final.
``I think the Indian players are more talented than Australia. Australia are superior only in fitness and physique,`` Kapil said on Saturday.
The former all rounder, who led India to victory in the 1983 World Cup, added of India: ``They are playing like champions.``
India have won their last eight matches since being thrashed by nine wickets by the unbeaten Australians in the first round. Australia have not lost for a world-record 16 one-day matches.
Kapil is in South Africa as a television commentator but said he would not be at The Wanderers for the final.
He hoped attacking opening batsman Virender Sehwag and Saurav Ganguly would find their best form in the final.
Sehwag has hit one fifty from 10 innings. Ganguly has made three unbeaten hundreds but they have come against non-test sides Namibia and Kenya (2). His record against test sides in this tournament is just over 17.
``Sehwag is a very good player, but in this World Cup he has not shown anything which people in this country or elsewhere can enjoy,`` Kapil added.
``Saurav is a superb player... But he has not got many runs against genuine quick bowlers.
``He has scored runs against teams such as Australia, South Africa but over the period the impression he has given is he struggles against pace.``
Ganguly is likely to be targeted by Australia fast bowler Brett Lee, consistently the quickest bowler in the world and second in the list of World Cup wicket-takers with 20.
I don`t think that Indians are more talented lot than Aussies but they sure are at equal footing with them. And Physical fitness is an integral part of your talent its no good to have a raw talent but you can`t step in the ground.
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Mar 22, 2003 05:59 pm
Kapil Dev`s statement:JOHANNESBURG: India are better cricketers than Australia, former India captain and coach Kapil Dev said on the eve of the World Cup final.
``I think the Indian players are more talented than Australia. Australia are superior only in fitness and physique,`` Kapil said on Saturday.
The former all rounder, who led India to victory in the 1983 World Cup, added of India: ``They are playing like champions.``
India have won their last eight matches since being thrashed by nine wickets by the unbeaten Australians in the first round. Australia have not lost for a world-record 16 one-day matches.
Kapil is in South Africa as a television commentator but said he would not be at The Wanderers for the final.
He hoped attacking opening batsman Virender Sehwag and Saurav Ganguly would find their best form in the final.
Sehwag has hit one fifty from 10 innings. Ganguly has made three unbeaten hundreds but they have come against non-test sides Namibia and Kenya (2). His record against test sides in this tournament is just over 17.
``Sehwag is a very good player, but in this World Cup he has not shown anything which people in this country or elsewhere can enjoy,`` Kapil added.
``Saurav is a superb player... But he has not got many runs against genuine quick bowlers.
``He has scored runs against teams such as Australia, South Africa but over the period the impression he has given is he struggles against pace.``
Ganguly is likely to be targeted by Australia fast bowler Brett Lee, consistently the quickest bowler in the world and second in the list of World Cup wicket-takers with 20.
I don`t think that Indians are more talented lot than Aussies but they sure are at equal footing with them. And Physical fitness is an integral part of your talent its no good to have a raw talent but you can`t step in the ground.
Jarrar
Who Will be World Champion of Cricket ?
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Even then I would be willing to put my weight behing Australia. Its a game between professionalism and talent.
}
Indian team is very professional too. In my opinion the ``will`` to win the game is stronger in Indian team than Aussies and you never know.
I know beating Aussies wont be an easy thing but then if you want to be crowned as World champions you gotta just do this, right ?
My worries are:
#10 Ansari.
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Jarrar; lagta hai aap hamare madani sahab ko jaante nahin hain. . .unko logon ko aazmane ka shauq hai. . .beshak thore difficult hain lekin ab tak naik niyat ka muzaahira kiya hai. . .aage bhi yehi umeed rahegi. . .
}
Its never easy to read URDU in Roman. And no I dont know ``Madni Sahib`` and you wrote that ``unko logon ko aazmane ka shauq hai`` so what they say in urdu:
``Too Teer Azma, Hum Jigar Azmien``
no I dont mind as long as criticism is limited to Cricket, for politics and relegion there are other forua too.
Cheers,
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Mar 22, 2003 05:59 pm
#8 AhmedZai {
Even then I would be willing to put my weight behing Australia. Its a game between professionalism and talent.
}
Indian team is very professional too. In my opinion the ``will`` to win the game is stronger in Indian team than Aussies and you never know.
I know beating Aussies wont be an easy thing but then if you want to be crowned as World champions you gotta just do this, right ?
My worries are:
- Rahul Dravid`s injury.
Dravid injured his finger during semi final and gave a rediculus amount of byes 16 runs. Such a display will be tough to defend against Aussies.
Its not the time to try Parthik Patel (the teen age wicket keeping sensation of India!). I hope Draid does the good job.
- Zaheer Khan`s maturity in bowling.
It is time for Zaheer Khan to show some nerves and bowl with discipline.
#10 Ansari.
{
Jarrar; lagta hai aap hamare madani sahab ko jaante nahin hain. . .unko logon ko aazmane ka shauq hai. . .beshak thore difficult hain lekin ab tak naik niyat ka muzaahira kiya hai. . .aage bhi yehi umeed rahegi. . .
}
Its never easy to read URDU in Roman. And no I dont know ``Madni Sahib`` and you wrote that ``unko logon ko aazmane ka shauq hai`` so what they say in urdu:
``Too Teer Azma, Hum Jigar Azmien``
no I dont mind as long as criticism is limited to Cricket, for politics and relegion there are other forua too.
Cheers,
Jarrar
Who Will be World Champion of Cricket ?
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..... i don`t know much about cricket and care even less,
}
Its quite obvious that you dont know anything about Cricket, and it also seems that you happen to not like Hindus, I have no idea why but I hope you might have some solid reasons.
I just wanted to make a point that the forum is not to vent such hidden anger, I am sure there are other chat rooms where you will be welcome.
Please pitch in your thoughts about the final so we can have a conversation about what the article is about.
Thanx for your understanding.
Jarrar
Posted by
JarrarJaffari
Mar 22, 2003 12:41 pm
Reply #5:{
..... i don`t know much about cricket and care even less,
}
Its quite obvious that you dont know anything about Cricket, and it also seems that you happen to not like Hindus, I have no idea why but I hope you might have some solid reasons.
I just wanted to make a point that the forum is not to vent such hidden anger, I am sure there are other chat rooms where you will be welcome.
Please pitch in your thoughts about the final so we can have a conversation about what the article is about.
Thanx for your understanding.
Jarrar
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