Haseena and Jannat (on earth) There was a play on GEO tonight about a girl who thought that she was marrying a young man...and at the wedding day she found out that she was to marry a 66 yrs old man...the father and the mother were mortified with prospect of a barat leaving their house,,,neither though of their child the woman who was to marry the old man...

Thank God for the cousim who volunteered to marry the girl thereby ending his rather unfortunate tale..

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam Sir jee:

i am not struggling by any means; I said I was sorry to belittle others religion and that is the extent of my apology...

Jat and Gujjars are more readily assocaited with Punjabis than Sindhi or Pahans.. I have quoted a reliable source which establishes Gandhi as a Jat sub-caste...u have to come up with an equally good source ro be quier..there is a gentleman in faisalabad pakistan who claims to be a gandhi jat and I am sure there are more in east punjab if one waw to ask them..1883 was not the kind of year tha Gandhi was an household name...Gujraati is not a caste as is Punjabi or Sindhi...think about it

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam why would would elevn percent of Punjabi based Jats returned as Gandhi in 1883, long before Mahatama (sic) Gandhi was to to take the mantle...
none of the Gandhi lovers and the great Sayyeds have bothered to answer that?

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam By punjabi I mean the Indus valley civilization... punjbis being the dominant...Gujrati is not a caste as Sindhi or Punjabi is not...There are Balochs in unjba that congregated in this area when anarchy was the order of the day..similarly in Sindh, there are Baluchs, and Punjabis....Mahras and Jatois...

It was presumptious on my part to declare Gandhi a Punjabi, maybe an Indu and not Hindu is in order..there is a difference between the inhabitants of Indus valley and Hindus ( primarily due to the color of their skin) Hundus or Hindis as referred to by Persians are people of dark color..

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam r.a.janjua:

do u know your history before you can question someones elses...Janjuas of the salt range were the Rajputs of Bhatnair who were kicked out of their kin as no lands were available for them to rule...they settled in Malot, a place about 30 km of Choa Saidan Shah and about 20 km of Kalar Kahar...the Rajput kings ruled till the time Shahabuddin Ghouri came around and defeated Ghaggars and Rajputs...the Rajput King in defiance to his change of faith. i.e from Hindu to Muslim broke off the traditional Janj, the necklace worn by Rajuputs, and hence were known as Janjuas, or the ones who broke the Janj...the janjuas and the chaudries of Chakwal were amongs the foremost who presented cash and kind to Babar once he was in Kalar Kahar...

So Mr. R.A.Janjua go and figure who is who?

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam So am I Naqashbandi bhai, it was a certain statement by someone which go me all fired up and I ended up disrespecting a religion..something that I despise myself...I am sorry to all who I have offended with my callous remarks about their dieties...

But as far as Tipu Sultan, Gandhi, and Sayyeds, I stand by my words and I would ask my detractrors to contact me personally than via Chowk

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam Whilst I am guilty of being insenstive to Hindu sentiments, for which I have apologized in my last post, none of the so called intellectuals have yet responded to my post about Gandhi being a sub-caste of Jats and Jats and Gujjars being the original tribes who ousted the Darvadians from Indus valley...

Now this Mr. Janjua, a descendant of a convert himself is trying to sound so articulate...For history of Janjuas please refer to me in private and I will tell you all about it...

As for Honorable_Syed and his contention of deen being jeopardized if we were to find our fathers in the sub-continent has not addressed the common adage of the mid 19th century about the Weaver and Sayyed...200 years later who is a Sayyed and a Julaha, only All Mighty can tell...

As for Ferzok, he has to sell his letters to make a living otherwise why would he pretend to be a liberal when he is an autrocrat in his on own home...

And as for Q.Isa Daudpota, his present occupation with and education system what people call the ``poultry farm`` of children says it all... why would a Physicist would like to associate himself with a feudal educational system that teaches children the capital of US before the meaning of Islam...
I may sound a bit off the wall, but then the truth hurts

And so it does for the Janj breaking Janjuas, and the well placed Daudpotas...

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam Ferzok=F.R.Khan?

Are you trying to secure brownie points for poor rating of you ``original`` article?

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam Regarding Gandhi ethnicity: Please note the people who displaced the Darvadians, the South Indians that rsaxena so proudly mentions, were Aryans, Jats (the tillers) Gujjars (the graziers), Brahmins and Rajuputs were the offsprings of a structured society that replaced Darvadians in the Indus Valley. (Read unabridged version of Gita). These two tribes moved northwards and eastwards. The Gujjars found in Swat valley as as much Swatis as the next person and the Jats in Gujarat are as much Gujrati as the Patels living there. In the census conducted by British Raj in 1883, and results published by Sir Denzil Ibbeston, K.C.S.I, eleven percent of all Jats living in Punjab( United Punjab that is, with parts of Haryanan, NWFP) declared their sub-caste as Gandhi.

Honorable_Syed: It is about time that we stop looking for our fathers in Arabia and Persia. There is a famous saying: ``I am a julaha (weaver) this year, if crops do well I will be Shekh next year, and if the prices are right a Sayyed the year afer``. It is an historical fact, if you want I can send you the references..

Shaik Wali Mohammad may have been from Arabia, but his prodigy was born and bred here in the sub-continent and he ended up in Sub-continent, making him an Indian (not Bharatian) and not an Arab..

Ferzok: I know what a ghetto is, and I would rather live in a ghetto than a world governed by moderinists who are considered by their respective populace as incorrigibly corrupt and hopelessly incompetent. It is no wonder that the followers of Jinnah, Nehru, Kamal, Suakarno, moderinsts in their own might, gave way to the followers on the horseback, BJP and MMA rose from the ashes of Indira Gandhi, Shastri, and relatively unknown and unaccounted for moderinists in Pakistan. The failure of these leaders to alleviate the one problem haunting the masses of sub-continent-poverty, gave rise to religioius fundamentalism...who offered scapegoats, divine intervention and absolution...the modernists meanwhile brushed these relgious zelaots as being trivial..However, the time was on their side and first the BJP and now MMA have surfaced as a force to reckon with...

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The last of our heroes was Ashoka the Great, who was truly the son of soil...the Scythians, the Greeks, the Arabs,the Afghans, the Moguls, and Brits were all conquerers and not one of us. Chandar in Sanskrit and Mahtab in Persian means the same, yet the Muslims would name their children Mahtab, and Hindus Chandar. Neither would dare to cross the ``religous`` line. Persian was as much an Indian language as Sanskrit have been...

Shivaji was not a hero by any means; he introduced a novel way of taxing his subjects that was unheard of before his time...he would abandon his areas and its inhabitants, burn crops and grain depots, and leave the inhabitants starving and helpless to face the wrath of Aurangzeb`s advancing armies...

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam Mahatma (if you insist) Gandhi, a jat of Punajbi persuassion liberated the Darvidians of South, the mongrels of UP, MP and AP, and paved the way for Northerns, Pakistanis included, to demand their separate homeland...

Tipu Sultan, the hero of Deccan, was a descendant of Punabi father, who had migrated from Chiniot years before his and Subuktigian`s birth

Guru Nanak was a punjabi so was Ranjit Singh the one and only Punjabi ruler of Punjab

What has South and the Bengali babus to offer? other than famine, intrigues, conspiracies, and deceits

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam Hezbullah is Shia and Islamic Jihad is Sunni, yet they are both Palestinians and Muslime and therefore have a common cause...

Saxena sb: to understand Muslim way of thinking you have to believe in what they believe life after death...not the reincarnatin as your kind believe...the only time you kind have demonstrated any courage was when they blew off Rajiv Gandhi, other than that Hindus have nothing to show for as far as chivalry or bravery is concerned...Marhattas were the thieves who had the advantage of the hill where they could retreat every time Aurgangzeb invaded their stronghold...and Hindu Banya, even by British accounts, was more interested in making money during the troubled times of mid 1800`s rather than taking sides with its kith and kin...Brits held you in contempt all throughout their `occupation` of this land yet they pampered you because Hindus were easy; and could be bought off compared to their Sikh or Muslim counterparts... Rani of Jhansi and Shivaji are your only heroes...Gandhi was jat by caste and a punjabi...nehru was brahman whose ancestors have lived on alms for as long as one can remember...
so dont tell me what to do..

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam Mr. Saxena:

It is you who is making an ass, and not in the proverbial sense or the one which appeared in Shrek, your post suggests that you are an ass in the real sense...

Qatar and UAE are being run by desposts, supported by US, just like the kings of Saudi Arabia...if it was a Shia Sunni affair, Iran would been the front line Shia state to offer assistance to US to dismantle the miniority Sunni regime in Iraq...

Simply because you have managed to log in to Chowk longer than I have does not mean that you have can think with you real head rather than your actual head which is much smaller...

No wonder you Hindus, despite of centuries of co-habitation have failed to recognize the strength of Muslims...and it is no wonder that while the rest of the mankind is talking of super computers and space you and you kin still worship the genital of a man that you call a god...no wonder...it is all that vegetables and saphron that you consume that taint your rational thinking...maybe, and just maybe one of these days, when you realize that human body parts are not worthy of worship, you will appreciate the finer things in life like a well done beef steak or a widow opting for a husband and not a pyre...

think about it saxena..

The Truth About Karachi Bina whilst I tend to agree with you arguments as to the myopic vision of the foreign correspondents including that of the ``natives`` working for foreing media, I will have to agree with t #2 that the ``haves`` of Karachi have nothing in common with the ``have nots``, they neither care for it nor do they want to anything about it. There are exception of course; but it is not fair to say that all Karachites living beyond the bridges lose their sleep over what is happening in Lyari or Landhi; they would rather read it in the newspapers and talk about it in their drawing rooms, that is the extent of their involvement as to what goes around them everyday...

History Rehearsing: Dark Ages of Islam why studebaker; is it the car that was destined to be written off by the historians as an automoble which was not safe?

We Cut When Asked -- PTCL’s New Censoring Role If your sentiments are shared by public at large, why is it that your article is rated the way it has been rated...a singular vote cannot sway the opinion so adversely!

We Cut When Asked -- PTCL’s New Censoring Role It is a case of mistaken indentity...there was a Daudpota who happened to be a general in the Pakistan Air Force, and Chairman of the National Airlines...If you are what you claim you are, then all I can say is that it was a case of mistaken identity..my sentiments for the landed aristorcracy and feudals remain unchanged and I believe that they have no moral high ground to speak at any forum about Pakistan and its woes...as they are the ones who are responsible for this to begin with