And then there was The Impeachment Issue… scenario 3. musharraf takes on everyone and loses the impeachment vote....pakistan creates history....zardari becomes president.....q league disintegrates and joins n.....the judges get restored, and nawaz files a case against musharraf under article 6 for treason.......
scenario 3 is the only historic scenario,

Yaar, Zardari becoming president is , by no means, historical for Pakistan... The man who wasted six months to decide if president should be impeached shows the lack of leadership skills... Good leaders need to decide and execute... Zaradari and co couldn't even decide... Execution of the plan requires courage and none of currently elected politicians have it.A real leader should have skills to control and decide. He should have skills to execute...

It is not only Zardari. Gilani is even worse... As a matter of fact, There is no true leader among the whole lot of current generation Pakistani politicians. All of them are in awe of american culture... They belive that power in Pakistan gets all its support from US. On one side, proof for Musharraf oshaving an excellent cabinet is to see if all hios ministers can speak English in British/American accent. On other hand, Benazir spends millions to have an understanding with Americans and then comes back to the country to execute a plan based on a deal done with Americans. And even worse, Gilani's visit is considered a failure as he couldn't express himself in english language. Well, is it difficult to talk in Urdu/Saraiki and have an interpreter translating it into an accent whichever is suitable for Texans? But No, Their hearts start bouncing up and down when their plane lands on JFK , they feel strenghtened when a second class US official gives them a smile and they feel weakened if they are not invited by US diplomats in Islamabad at some dinner.

A real leader should be well educated, who knows western culture at its core but has faith is his people, his country and his culture. Who knows how to keep west satisfied without taking off his pants and bending in front of western rulers.

Till then, "Mush" or "no Mush" doesn't make any difference.

K2, the Savage Mountain Ijaz Sahib, Great article... Perhaps one of the best I have read on chowk... I will be pleased to read more of your articles on climbing...

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance A Question for Mainstream Muslims here:

If amrikan constitution is amended requiring every muslim to sign a paper while applying for greencard/passport and that piece of paper says :"I am a muslim. I don't support religious war known as Jihad and I consider it a form of terrorism." , How many of you will sign it? Will it be a basic violation of human rights? What will be your reaction after reading that paper?

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance Re: # 133 Note that Ahmadis are OK with praying with other Muslims … but not behind other Muslims … and for valid reasons.
As an Ahmadi-Muslim, I wouldn’t want to pray behind a person who rejects a prophet of Islam. I am OK in praying “with” a non-Ahmadi … but not behind him … since his imamat is clearly not acceptable to me.

I really appreciate your honest and direct answer.

Personally, I have prayed behind Ahmedi Imams because I believe that we have same quran, same prophets except the last one, same books of ahadith , same customs and social events, same eids and ramazan etc... In my opinion, our similarities are more powerful than our differences. And hence, even if I disagree with Imam Sahib at one of two points, I should not discard the similarities at all...

I remember my village where barelvis and deobandis used to have two different mosques because of minor theological differences. At that time, I used to believe that the ones who insist on offering prayers behind their Imam were conservative while the ones who didn't mind offering a few prayers once in a while behind other sect's imam were moderates. ( A rough opinion about the personalities.).

If we start making sects based on minor differences of opinion, there will be six billion worship places in the world...

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance Re: # 103 Yes. heard a little about the book. Too scietific for a Jatt brain though...

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance #97 Cheema Sahib, A rose smells like a rose. If it doesn't, rose should go and have its DNA checked up... :)

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance Re: # 93

Kulli, I think I understand what you are saying. And I agree...Religious affiliation, sexual orientation and salary slips are our personal things. There are seveal other "non-personal" exciting things to be discussed. Why not take a start there... And be "personal" with the ones who feel "easy" with it.

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance nb, you are probably right.

Cheema ji, Charlie is also a Cheema. Keray pind ay tawada?

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance Kulli Meray Yaar,

Belive me, I always had very soft corner for Ahmediyya Muslims. However, more I am interacting with them, more I realize that they are very ordinary people with ordinary ideas to present...

Sorry, if you were hurt by my recent analysis of Ahmeddiya muslims. But I am disappointed too. And it is my frustration coming out...

Ahmediiya Chicks are hot though...

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance NB, Hindus and "mainstream" Muslims are very large in numbers. You will find all types of hindus and muslims everywhere...
Traditinal Hindus might avoid eating with Muslims or vice versa... However, there are several hindus and muslims who do take a step forward and inter-mix with peoples from other religions. No religious authority penalizes them for their actions.

On the other hand, Ahmeddiya Jamaat forces its rule to its followers and whoever crosses their line is thrown out of Jamaat.

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance #Kulli, I met your khalifa Khamis a few days back. Is he a real Ahmedi?

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance While I have seen Shias and Sunnis praying together in several mosques, Ahmedis don't offer prayers behind Imam of any other sect. If you offer prayer behind a non-ahmedi, you are thrown out of Ahmeddiya Muslim Jamaat.

This small example shows how Ahmedis think about mainstream muslims...They themselves believe that they are the "real muslims" and rest of the muslims are "fake muslims".

Even Sir Zafarullah Khan didn't offer Funeral prayer of Mr. Jinnah and stood in a corner while Namaz e Janaza was being offered. And it happened long before Ahmedis were decalared non-muslims.

Out of several Ahmedis I have met in recent years, I have yet to see a "moderate Ahmedi" while moderate Sunni and Shia individuals are dime a dozen.

Diabetes: Wrestling with a Twenty-First Century Monster While capitalism works well in most of the cases, there is an exception when it comes to discoveries and inventions in the field of medicine...

A good business model is the one where your customer have to buy a product from you on cyclic basis... If you invent a drug that finds cure for diabetes, your profits go down the drain... There will be no more patients and no injections everyday... So companies will invest in finding painless ways to take injections instead of finding real cure for diabetes.... Same goes for aids and other diseases...

Just a random thought....

Yet Another Immigrant Story I was expecting more exciting story i.e. escape from the prison known as pakistan, wild nights in amrika with gora sahib , and why sharab is good for health type of stuff....

Anyways, welcome to new home... :)

Freud and Jung and Their Secret Affairs #104 Quin, Excellent post.... I appreciate the fact that you didn't get personal... And I do like the literary value of it...


#103 Nature Lover, If finding the peace of heart is the purpose of religion, it could be achieved through Marijuana too... Religion is a drug for middle class... Keep them afraid of imaginary God and then keep on controlling them....

Tahir, you seriously need to consult Dr. Sohail... Your brain doesn't seem to have ability to channelize your ideas into words... May be, over-addiction to religion...

Freud and Jung and Their Secret Affairs #100 go F yourself fool before comment on a book you know nothing about,

Masadi Yaar, Why shouldn't I comment on a book? After all, people write reviews for books and express their likes and dislike... Why my opinion makes your blood pressure go out of control ... :)


Quran is not even an original book... It doesn't stand anywhere from a literary point of view... Half of it is copied from bible... Rest of it is useless , pointless effort to be poetic... Remember "Al qaria tu ma al-qaria, wa ma adraak a ma-alqaria ?" I mean what a useless verse is it... If I don't know what is "Al Qaria", why Muhammad has to repeat it thrice before coming to the point... And then you claim nobody can come up with even a single verse like that...

E=mc2 is probably a much better verse... No stupid repetition, no effort to confuse people and no effort to spread terror of Hell and Fire...