A Letter To President Musharraf
``okha #99`` ``And then, dear author, you come out with a passionate plea to the perpetrator himself... ````
you seriously couldnt have mised the irony of my words!
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 15, 2007 08:10 am
Re: # 102``okha #99`` ``And then, dear author, you come out with a passionate plea to the perpetrator himself... ````
you seriously couldnt have mised the irony of my words!
A Letter To President Musharraf
I like how you call it soul searching. For sometimes it feels that my nation has lost its soul...
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 14, 2007 07:22 am
Re: # 26I like how you call it soul searching. For sometimes it feels that my nation has lost its soul...
A Letter To President Musharraf
Mr KamranISS
Its not about muslims killing muslims. its not about religion. its about GOVERNANCE!
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 14, 2007 04:43 am
Re: # 52Mr KamranISS
Its not about muslims killing muslims. its not about religion. its about GOVERNANCE!
A Letter To President Musharraf
I request you do not take my words out of context.
``Mr. President, are you not aware how many whore houses operate in the capital? Are you not aware that in every sector of Islamabad alcohol is readily available? Has none of your 40 advisors as yet brought this to your attention? Has no one realized that what these extremist fanatics have been raging about actually contains a grain of truth amidst all their madness and lack of reason? It is a grain of truth that may sadly now be manipulated to subvert the more critical truth of their outraging militancy.``
the LAST sentence is the operative phrase.
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 14, 2007 04:41 am
Re: # 56I request you do not take my words out of context.
``Mr. President, are you not aware how many whore houses operate in the capital? Are you not aware that in every sector of Islamabad alcohol is readily available? Has none of your 40 advisors as yet brought this to your attention? Has no one realized that what these extremist fanatics have been raging about actually contains a grain of truth amidst all their madness and lack of reason? It is a grain of truth that may sadly now be manipulated to subvert the more critical truth of their outraging militancy.``
the LAST sentence is the operative phrase.
A Letter To President Musharraf
``Living in pakistan, with all of the good of pakistan in mind, did you write an open letter when Mukhtan Mai was raped and no one was arrested for it.``
As a matter of fact I wrote an op-ed piece that was published in a weekly.
``May be it the cries of the dying jihadis, allahu akbar that woke you up from teh rip van winklian sleep.``
Now that you are awake, look around, look at the 2000 odd madrasas teaching hatred.
Can you write an open letter to Mullah Asghar, the man released after the hijacking of the indian aircraft to stop his hate campaign.``
Why are you so full of hate?
``You should have been honest to yourself and asked for a high paying job from mushy, that you are educated in the US, or did you come back in a chartered flight payed for by the pak govt.``
I was educated in Pakistan. A few years abroad cannot change the essence of my education.
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 14, 2007 04:40 am
Re: # 61``Living in pakistan, with all of the good of pakistan in mind, did you write an open letter when Mukhtan Mai was raped and no one was arrested for it.``
As a matter of fact I wrote an op-ed piece that was published in a weekly.
``May be it the cries of the dying jihadis, allahu akbar that woke you up from teh rip van winklian sleep.``
Now that you are awake, look around, look at the 2000 odd madrasas teaching hatred.
Can you write an open letter to Mullah Asghar, the man released after the hijacking of the indian aircraft to stop his hate campaign.``
Why are you so full of hate?
``You should have been honest to yourself and asked for a high paying job from mushy, that you are educated in the US, or did you come back in a chartered flight payed for by the pak govt.``
I was educated in Pakistan. A few years abroad cannot change the essence of my education.
A Letter To President Musharraf
``Khadija, Pathetic is the only word to describe your above quote. Will you say that the money spent on training the jihadis and sending them to kashmir also could be spent on providing drinking water.``
YES
``It is sad to see all of you so worried about lal masjid when about 90 dead bodies are collected every day by Edhi foundation in karachi, those killed in the shia sunny battles. ``
Why do you assume that if one problem is the point of focus at a particular point in time, that another does not matter?
``To talk about human rights of the jihadis, is to talk about the animal rights of rats spreading plague.``
Im not talking about the human rights of the ``jihadis.`` (what these ``jihadis`` did btw was not even close to the spirit of real jihad). Im talking about a government killing its own people - of running an operation fully mindful of its own culpability, and then justifying it as a necessary evil. Of killing innocent people in a political crossfire. yes, a POLITICAL crossfire. Not a religious one.
``Your article is simply pathetic.``
Thank you for your frank opinion. You are entitled to it.
Sincerely,
Khadija
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 14, 2007 04:34 am
Re: # 60``Khadija, Pathetic is the only word to describe your above quote. Will you say that the money spent on training the jihadis and sending them to kashmir also could be spent on providing drinking water.``
YES
``It is sad to see all of you so worried about lal masjid when about 90 dead bodies are collected every day by Edhi foundation in karachi, those killed in the shia sunny battles. ``
Why do you assume that if one problem is the point of focus at a particular point in time, that another does not matter?
``To talk about human rights of the jihadis, is to talk about the animal rights of rats spreading plague.``
Im not talking about the human rights of the ``jihadis.`` (what these ``jihadis`` did btw was not even close to the spirit of real jihad). Im talking about a government killing its own people - of running an operation fully mindful of its own culpability, and then justifying it as a necessary evil. Of killing innocent people in a political crossfire. yes, a POLITICAL crossfire. Not a religious one.
``Your article is simply pathetic.``
Thank you for your frank opinion. You are entitled to it.
Sincerely,
Khadija
A Letter To President Musharraf
Mr Salim Chauhan,
Thank you for that kind defence.
Unfortunately i am not awaiting immigration documents from anywhere. Perhaps applications are in order :-).
Sincerely,
Khadija
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 14, 2007 04:27 am
Re: # 50Mr Salim Chauhan,
Thank you for that kind defence.
Unfortunately i am not awaiting immigration documents from anywhere. Perhaps applications are in order :-).
Sincerely,
Khadija
A Letter To President Musharraf
dear rf786,
``If mosques and madrassah’s in the CAPITAL that are situated in the shadow of our intelligence force cannot be controlled, how do you hope to control similar monsters across the country?``
hope that clarifies it.
Khadija
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 14, 2007 04:19 am
Re: # 66dear rf786,
``If mosques and madrassah’s in the CAPITAL that are situated in the shadow of our intelligence force cannot be controlled, how do you hope to control similar monsters across the country?``
hope that clarifies it.
Khadija
A Letter To President Musharraf
Thank you for sharing your views and reactions with me. I only have a couple of things to add:
1) talking about one issue, here the lal masjid, does not imply that one is unaware of other issues. Nowhere have i suggested that poverty and illiteracy are not issues that need our attention. Nowhere have i suggested that blood shed in sectarian conflict is acceptable. For now, my outrage is directed at a government that has killed its own people. ITS OWN PEOPLE, implying not only those of us who were pure victims of this tragedy, but ``its own people`` implying that this was an issue created by the government itself FOR VARIOUS REASONS, all of which MUST be brought into question.
2) Yes this is OUR OWN DOING. As apathetic citizens who have willingly relinquished control over our political lives, who have accepted bad governance upon bad governance, under democracy, under dictatorship, we MUST ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS. WE MUST FEEL SHAME AS MUCH AS WE FEEL ANGER.
Sincerely,
Khadija
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 14, 2007 04:18 am
A general reply to you all:Thank you for sharing your views and reactions with me. I only have a couple of things to add:
1) talking about one issue, here the lal masjid, does not imply that one is unaware of other issues. Nowhere have i suggested that poverty and illiteracy are not issues that need our attention. Nowhere have i suggested that blood shed in sectarian conflict is acceptable. For now, my outrage is directed at a government that has killed its own people. ITS OWN PEOPLE, implying not only those of us who were pure victims of this tragedy, but ``its own people`` implying that this was an issue created by the government itself FOR VARIOUS REASONS, all of which MUST be brought into question.
2) Yes this is OUR OWN DOING. As apathetic citizens who have willingly relinquished control over our political lives, who have accepted bad governance upon bad governance, under democracy, under dictatorship, we MUST ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS. WE MUST FEEL SHAME AS MUCH AS WE FEEL ANGER.
Sincerely,
Khadija
A Letter To President Musharraf
``if no one files an FIR, no crime has been committed.``
right. i dont have a birth certificate. i must not exist.
``Your appalling lack of knowledge about the laws of pakistan need some explanation.``
I apologize sincerely for my appalling lack of knowledge
I believe the SC demanded an explanation from the government`s lawyers in court about 3 days ago asking under what law the operation was taking place. Apparently there isn`t any actual jurisdiction for the army to be used in these circumstances.
Its time for me to question your logic now: If murder isnt a crime against the state, then what is it?
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 14, 2007 04:07 am
Re: # 64``if no one files an FIR, no crime has been committed.``
right. i dont have a birth certificate. i must not exist.
``Your appalling lack of knowledge about the laws of pakistan need some explanation.``
I apologize sincerely for my appalling lack of knowledge
I believe the SC demanded an explanation from the government`s lawyers in court about 3 days ago asking under what law the operation was taking place. Apparently there isn`t any actual jurisdiction for the army to be used in these circumstances.
Its time for me to question your logic now: If murder isnt a crime against the state, then what is it?
A Letter To President Musharraf
count again. 100 in the first 3 rows alone.
apparently a lot of you have missed the point i made about the whore houses. let me repeat myself:
``Mr. President, are you not aware how many whore houses operate in the capital? Are you not aware that in every sector of Islamabad alcohol is readily available? Has none of your 40 advisors as yet brought this to your attention? Has no one realized that what these extremist fanatics have been raging about actually contains a grain of truth amidst all their madness and lack of reason? It is a grain of truth that may sadly now be manipulated to subvert the more critical truth of their outraging militancy.``
and once again, just to be sure:
``It is a grain of truth that may sadly now be manipulated to subvert the more critical truth of their outraging militancy.``
I was appalled when a lot of educated people, unaware of the history of this crisis, unaware of the threats the burqa brigades made against citizens of Islamabad, actually said ``so what? all they wanted was to wipe out alcohol and prostitution!``. This is a reaction to that.
I wish to clarify one other thing IN GENERAL:
YES, I UNDERSTAND THE OPERATION BECAME ESSENTIAL. THAT IS NOT THE POINT. The point is that when you make a BAD DECISION IN THE PAST AND PAY FOR IT IN THE FUTURE, DO NOT COWER BEHIND STATEMENTS OF HELPLESSNESS.
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 14, 2007 03:48 am
Re: # 57 count again. 100 in the first 3 rows alone.
apparently a lot of you have missed the point i made about the whore houses. let me repeat myself:
``Mr. President, are you not aware how many whore houses operate in the capital? Are you not aware that in every sector of Islamabad alcohol is readily available? Has none of your 40 advisors as yet brought this to your attention? Has no one realized that what these extremist fanatics have been raging about actually contains a grain of truth amidst all their madness and lack of reason? It is a grain of truth that may sadly now be manipulated to subvert the more critical truth of their outraging militancy.``
and once again, just to be sure:
``It is a grain of truth that may sadly now be manipulated to subvert the more critical truth of their outraging militancy.``
I was appalled when a lot of educated people, unaware of the history of this crisis, unaware of the threats the burqa brigades made against citizens of Islamabad, actually said ``so what? all they wanted was to wipe out alcohol and prostitution!``. This is a reaction to that.
I wish to clarify one other thing IN GENERAL:
YES, I UNDERSTAND THE OPERATION BECAME ESSENTIAL. THAT IS NOT THE POINT. The point is that when you make a BAD DECISION IN THE PAST AND PAY FOR IT IN THE FUTURE, DO NOT COWER BEHIND STATEMENTS OF HELPLESSNESS.
A Letter To President Musharraf
Hello Stuka,
Yes this is the same Khadija. How are you?
My beef is with governance. Who ever rules - army, party, philosopher king - doesnt matter. The priority needs to be the same. good governance.
as far as the operation goes, yes there really was no choice. Things had turned THAT ugly. But that cannot be a justification we should swallow easily. theek hai, operation hua. but why let things fester so badly that it was required at all?
As far as the discrepancy in figures goes, i refer you back to my first paragraph.
good to see you again,
Khadija
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 13, 2007 02:30 pm
Re: # 20Hello Stuka,
Yes this is the same Khadija. How are you?
My beef is with governance. Who ever rules - army, party, philosopher king - doesnt matter. The priority needs to be the same. good governance.
as far as the operation goes, yes there really was no choice. Things had turned THAT ugly. But that cannot be a justification we should swallow easily. theek hai, operation hua. but why let things fester so badly that it was required at all?
As far as the discrepancy in figures goes, i refer you back to my first paragraph.
good to see you again,
Khadija
A Letter To President Musharraf
Dear Mr. President,
May I also have some cookies, milk and a year`s supply of BS?
Khadija Hassan
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 13, 2007 02:24 pm
Re: # 19Dear Mr. President,
May I also have some cookies, milk and a year`s supply of BS?
Khadija Hassan
A Letter To President Musharraf
That was my way of saying, that decisions taken to run my country rarely take what I want (I, being a Pakistani citizen) into consideration. Most things are done on demands made by outsiders - strategic alliances, balance of power et al. But now i have just about had it. I matter (I, being EVERY pakistani citizen), so listen to me now. Its the plea of a frustrated Pakistani citizen. enjoy the pun, by all means :).
``It’s not the loss of life one is concerned about, it is the life of a certain faith that has consumed the nation of idiots.``
This isn`t about faith. Its about bad governance. Its about paying for bad decisions taken in the past. If it were about religion, it would be a different kind of talk, but make no mistake, there would have been things to say. But yes you are right about us being a nation of idiots. An idiot is someone who willingly relinqhes control over his/her own life/fate. You couldnt have put it better.
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 13, 2007 02:22 pm
Re: # 18That was my way of saying, that decisions taken to run my country rarely take what I want (I, being a Pakistani citizen) into consideration. Most things are done on demands made by outsiders - strategic alliances, balance of power et al. But now i have just about had it. I matter (I, being EVERY pakistani citizen), so listen to me now. Its the plea of a frustrated Pakistani citizen. enjoy the pun, by all means :).
``It’s not the loss of life one is concerned about, it is the life of a certain faith that has consumed the nation of idiots.``
This isn`t about faith. Its about bad governance. Its about paying for bad decisions taken in the past. If it were about religion, it would be a different kind of talk, but make no mistake, there would have been things to say. But yes you are right about us being a nation of idiots. An idiot is someone who willingly relinqhes control over his/her own life/fate. You couldnt have put it better.
A Letter To President Musharraf
also,
you said ``it was a choice not an accident``
EXACTLY! thank you for hitting the nail on the head. There is always a choice. We made a very bad one, and now we have a chapter in our history called ``Operation Silence``. Just what my son needs to learn about!
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 13, 2007 12:41 pm
Re: # 14also,
you said ``it was a choice not an accident``
EXACTLY! thank you for hitting the nail on the head. There is always a choice. We made a very bad one, and now we have a chapter in our history called ``Operation Silence``. Just what my son needs to learn about!
A Letter To President Musharraf
thank you arjun. but this was a rhetorical question. Its an unfortunate legacy of army rule. hence the call to democracy.
Posted by
khatam-shud
Jul 13, 2007 12:39 pm
Re: # 14thank you arjun. but this was a rhetorical question. Its an unfortunate legacy of army rule. hence the call to democracy.
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