Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 200

We have a complete record of Gandhi's activities at Aga Khan's palace. You may read it.

Also Gandhi was a racist casteist blue blooded Hindu fascist bigot. This is a historical fact.

Enough marketing has ensured that this fact has been kept hidden... but now people have begun to see the light.

Both truth and time is on the side of those who are ready to expose Gandhi's ugly face to humanity.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 197

Gandhi's stint in Aga Khan's gorgeous Palace with acres of land around it for Gandhi to stretch his legs cannot be compared to ZAB or Mandela's little cells.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Harish bhai,

I have asked you for the names of these other "prisons" so that we may decide if they were better or worse than Aga Khan's palace.

Your personal attacks against me are the height of desperation as well as BJ's claim (which you've endorsed) that Aga Khan's Palace where Gandhi was incarcerated was dark and dreary.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Harish bhai,

Do you really believe that Aga Khan's Pune Palace was dark and dreary... as BJKumar says?

It was a first rate facility. There is no "sprucing up". It was a house of luxury and Gandhi was kept there.

As Naidu said so well "It took millions to keep Gandhi in poverty".

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice "the Agha Khan Palace during (Gandhiji’s incarceration there) was quite a bit different from the current spruced-up version for promoting tourism."

Ha ha. Okay.


"In addition to being dark and dreary, it was also full of malaria-bearing mosquitoes which (I think) took Kasturba’s life."

I have heard that Kasturba died because Gandhi would not allow the administration of penicilin and other modern medicines.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice PS: Like I said I only know of Aga Khan's Pune Palace.

Why don't you name the other facilities where he was incarcerated to show us that he was treated badly in prison?

Look... Bhagat Singh was kept in Lahore ... in appalling conditions. Any similar evidence for Gandhi?

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 188

I had every reason to bring in Zardari. The discussion started with Zardari in #95. Zardari's 4040 days became of supreme importance after 2338 days of Gandhi were being thrown up as evidence of his Mahatmaness.

As for Aga Khan palace ... I have asked you on number occasions to point out what other palace/A class facility/Jail he was incarcerated in but you've not told me. How am I to blame then.

Now I don't know if Jinnah was pissing in his pants but from your claim it is apparent that he did not anticipate the first rate Pune Aga Khan Palace facility that Gandhi was given.

As for your personal attack... lets not personalize it simply because you don't have an argument my friend.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 184

Know what? That Zardari was kept in an air conditioned jail or that Gandhi was imprisoned in Aga Khan's Palace in Pune with acres of Garden to his disposal?

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 182

Dear Harish mian,

Now anyone with some semblance of a human brain can see that I am talking about Zardari not Gandhi (i.e. air conditioned prison). Unless you are trying to be clever by half, I feel sorry for you.

There you go being personal again (I suppose you can't help it) . I'll let people decide if openly opposing Musharraf and even abusing him in the high peak of emergency on air on several international TV and radio channels with the identity and whereabouts well known is sticking one's head out or not.

Ofcourse none of this has anything to do with the fact that Gandhi was imprisoned in Aga Khan's Palace in Pune... a feat that was replicated by Mushahid Mandela Hussain and Asif Ali Zardari in the various "22 pace room-jails" and "airconditioned jails" of Pakistan.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice My dear Harish mian,

The airconditioned bit was for Zardari... Zardari was kept in airconditioned prisons. Gandhi was kept in Aga Khan's palace. Did it have air conditioning... I don't know.

Whats your next question? Do I need to prove that Zardari was kept in Aga Khan's palace.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice "Maybe you should also calculate how many more days Zardari spent in prison compared to Jinnah."

Now why would I do that when I am trying to show that even crooks can become leaders by going to jail?

The point is that Gandhi's imprisonment in Aga Khan's Palace or other A-class facilities he got can only be compared to Zardari's massive incarceration... not to Bhutto or Mandela who were victims of state brutality.

As for "arrests" I meant real incarcerations and I said to the best of my knowledge. If you are aware of where he was incarcerated on other occasions.... perhaps you can enlighten us as to the conditions of his incarceration. The reason I mentioned the two occasions I know of was because that is still the only frame of reference I have to judge the treatment meted out to Gandhi in jail.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Masanamuthu,

About Gandhi...

"he had spent 2338 days in jail during his life time"


FYI Zardari has spent 4040 days in Jail...


Since when did Air conditioned prisons or Aga Khan's Palaces mean anything?

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 168

The debate was ALWAYS about the treatment Gandhi got in prison. It started from Ijaz Gul's comment in 95 on Zardari (who has spent twice as long a time in prison as Gandhi).

Even the long list of Gandhi's arrests below.. he was incarcerated for any real length only twice. And he was kept in Aga Khan's Palace in one of them... as for the other you may show us where he was kept...

Eik to everyone claims a monopoly on the truth these days.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 165

A self governing British dominion of India would not have necessarily deprived them of the advantages that they had.

I think diminishing Marginal utility had already set in.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Gandhi's incarceration in Aga Khan's palace in Pune reminds me of this article I read a while ago:

"This reminds me. Whenever I refer to Mushahid Hussain as ‘Mandela’ I get a huge number of emails castigating me for even taking the man’s name in the same breath as the great Nelson Mandela’s. Every time that happens I explain that it has nothing to do with the man sharing any of Nelson Mandela’s great attributes of head and heart.

The reason I refer to our own ‘Mandela’ now and again is because he had the temerity to compare his own three-month imprisonment after Nawaz Sharif’s government was overthrown, in what could only be an Army Officers Mess, with Nelson Mandela’s long incarceration. In his own words:

“About a year earlier, I had been assigned as minister-in-waiting to Nelson Mandela … I had asked him, as the 20th century’s most celebrated political prisoner (Mushahid being the second-most?), what were the most difficult moments of his 27 years in detention. Without a moment’s hesitation, he replied, ‘solitary imprisonment’.

“My time in solitary imprisonment would be much shorter, my experience far less harrowing. But I was to learn something of what he meant … I scheduled my day. I would study the Quran with concentration for a stretch of two hours, take a break, walk the 22 paces I had marked out in my room, do some stretching and then resume my Quranic reading”. Twenty-two paces marked out in his “room”? I ask you!

What effrontery is the man’s! For 20 years, the over-six-foot Nelson Mandela was kept imprisoned in a six-foot by seven-foot cell on Robben Island with barely enough space to lie down. He was supplied just one bucket in which he defecated, and after cleaning it out, in which he had to wash too. All day, every day, he was put to work in a rock quarry breaking rocks. And Mushahid ‘Mandela’ Hussain “marked out” 22 paces in his “room”? By golly the man has brass."

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 159

Harish mian,

As Majumdar pointed out 1 and 3 are symbolic arrests.

Could you tell us what kind of cells he got when he was actually incarcerated (twice). Were they as harrowing as say Bhutto's or Mandela's?

As for The politicians in India, US and Britain (and also Pakistan) are NOT petitioning anyone just as Motilal Nehru, Jinnah, C R Das, Gokhale etc were NOT petitioning anyone. They are there, as these people were there, in their capacity as representatives of the people and they were involved in the parliamentary struggle for self rule ... which was to negotiate a self governing dominion akin to Canada and Australia - which many historians agree they would have gotten by 1925 had the whole process not been derailed by the KM/NCM nonsense.

Nor was the British government any more imposed than the various Muslim and Hindu dynasties that ruled the subcontinent before they came along. Infact, it is the British rule that forms the legal constitutional basis for your own government today.

Consider... India is a legitimately independent and sovereign country through the British Act of Parliament that is known as "Independence of India Act 1947".

As Majumdar is so fond of saying... that was thanks to the Aryan Mahatma.