Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit?
A correction in the second line:
Read 'chhadia' for 'chhade', please.
Posted by
teshah
Apr 8, 2008 02:07 pm
Re: # 591A correction in the second line:
Read 'chhadia' for 'chhade', please.
Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit?
Wah allah_mian lage raho!
"Waang mamoliaan asi des chhade
Zaat zamaat te bheis keyha"
(We have left our country like migratory birds
What does our identity, ethnicity, dress, etc., meant for us now?"
Waris Shah
Posted by
teshah
Apr 7, 2008 05:05 pm
Re: # 590Wah allah_mian lage raho!
"Waang mamoliaan asi des chhade
Zaat zamaat te bheis keyha"
(We have left our country like migratory birds
What does our identity, ethnicity, dress, etc., meant for us now?"
Waris Shah
Student Movement Revisited
Posted by
teshah
Apr 6, 2008 04:41 pm
I wonder there is no mention in this article either about the first leftist student movement, named Democratic Student Federation, established in Lahore in the late 40's immediately after establishment of Pakistan under the presidentship of Zuhair Naqvi. Abid Hassan Manto was also its office bearer. On another board I had learnt Dr. Sarwar also knew Zuhair Naqvi and his fate. I however wanted to know more about him. Can any body help me in this respet?
Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit?
dost_mittar ji
This is indeed the crux of the socio-political problem in the Indian sub-continent - faith versus communal (or cultural/national) identity. Jinnah, in advocating his Two-Nation Theory also seldom talked of religious differences, but of communal and cultural differences among Hindus and Muslims. But what actually happened: Pakistan was turned into a ‘Fatwa’ state wherein the most important identity was one’s faith to be determined by one's declaration to be submitted not to Allah, who is, according to Quran even, the true arbiter of one’s faith, but to the state functionaries who may not be believing in God even.
Posted by
teshah
Apr 5, 2008 04:10 pm
Re: # 396dost_mittar ji
This is indeed the crux of the socio-political problem in the Indian sub-continent - faith versus communal (or cultural/national) identity. Jinnah, in advocating his Two-Nation Theory also seldom talked of religious differences, but of communal and cultural differences among Hindus and Muslims. But what actually happened: Pakistan was turned into a ‘Fatwa’ state wherein the most important identity was one’s faith to be determined by one's declaration to be submitted not to Allah, who is, according to Quran even, the true arbiter of one’s faith, but to the state functionaries who may not be believing in God even.
Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit?
Posted by
teshah
Apr 2, 2008 04:31 pm
I don't think there will be any exit now in this scenario of 'Ifhaamo Tafheem'. Just see Asif Zardari going to Zero Nine, the veritable Trojan Horse of Mush. This 'IT' is all inclusive now. Only CJ Iftikhar would, I am afraid, 'Inshaallah' remain out as no one in the Pakiland is actually intrested in the 'Rule of Law'.
The Vicious Circle of Violence
But the Arab culture did not allow it either. It was only Allah's doing to facilitate the prophet.
Posted by
teshah
Mar 25, 2008 04:45 pm
Re: # 97But the Arab culture did not allow it either. It was only Allah's doing to facilitate the prophet.
The Vicious Circle of Violence
Re: # 31
I wonder how a few families of Hindus and Sikhs managed to survive peacefully in our predominantly Muslim village in West Punjab during British Raj while there remained none after partition under Muslim Raj.
But mind all this cleansing was permitted by the Islmic God who had made 'Maale Ghaneemat'(Conquest and plunder) 'halal' (permissible) especially for the last prophet. (PBUH).
Posted by
teshah
Mar 24, 2008 05:50 pm
Re: # 31
I wonder how a few families of Hindus and Sikhs managed to survive peacefully in our predominantly Muslim village in West Punjab during British Raj while there remained none after partition under Muslim Raj.
But mind all this cleansing was permitted by the Islmic God who had made 'Maale Ghaneemat'(Conquest and plunder) 'halal' (permissible) especially for the last prophet. (PBUH).
The Vicious Circle of Violence
"Tragically evil things are never done with such righteous pride and such joyous glee as when they are done in the name of religion."
This is the crux of the matter. The fact is as GBS says "Way to hell is paved with good intentions".
When Quran says "Tum hi ghalib raho ge agar tum momin ho" it is calling upon true believers to be overpowering as the test for true faith, as some believe, is political predominance and not a moral one.
Can there be any peace in the world when the religion is exhorting the believers to overpower others to be true believers?
Posted by
teshah
Mar 22, 2008 05:41 pm
Baig says:"Tragically evil things are never done with such righteous pride and such joyous glee as when they are done in the name of religion."
This is the crux of the matter. The fact is as GBS says "Way to hell is paved with good intentions".
When Quran says "Tum hi ghalib raho ge agar tum momin ho" it is calling upon true believers to be overpowering as the test for true faith, as some believe, is political predominance and not a moral one.
Can there be any peace in the world when the religion is exhorting the believers to overpower others to be true believers?
Starting from the End
#9 posted by izuber
Sorry dear that I took you as MQM Matarwa.
But what else does your concern only with Karanchi indicate?
Posted by
teshah
Mar 19, 2008 04:46 pm
Re: # 9#9 posted by izuber
Sorry dear that I took you as MQM Matarwa.
But what else does your concern only with Karanchi indicate?
Starting from the End
As it is we are stuck in a rotten state of affairs with no hope of any improvement whereby every institution even the religion stands abused and corrupted.
Posted by
teshah
Mar 16, 2008 06:02 pm
In our city during pre-WAPDA days there was a small power house called ‘Bijli Ghar’. It supplied electricity without any ‘load-shedding’ because it was run on commercial basis, giving connections only within their capacity to provide power. Then came the WAPDA which made the entire distribution system rampant with corruption without considering their limitations of power capacity. The corrupt politicians further aggravated the situation by granting electric connections on political basis but preventing at the same time construction of new dams to increase the power capacity of WAPDA’s national grid.As it is we are stuck in a rotten state of affairs with no hope of any improvement whereby every institution even the religion stands abused and corrupted.
Men\'s Liberation...Better Late Than Never
parthaap
Well done dear! Position in Pakistan is not very different either. Here also it is husband's duty to maintain his family whereas legally wife is not obliged to do any thing. So much so that according to some feminists it is the duty of the husband to cook food even for his wife.
Tuf he in 'Bharhoon' par!
What a pity that husbands are often sent to jail by the courts for non-payment of maintenance even to rebellious wives.
In public transport women become ladies with sole right on any seat and men remain just 'sawaaries' to be shoved around whenever a 'lady' needs a seat.
In fact the very morality here is gender biased which holds men as potential sex-abusers and even rapists and the women 'Satti saawitries' to be respected as honorable ladies.
Posted by
teshah
Mar 15, 2008 05:44 pm
Re: # 23parthaap
Well done dear! Position in Pakistan is not very different either. Here also it is husband's duty to maintain his family whereas legally wife is not obliged to do any thing. So much so that according to some feminists it is the duty of the husband to cook food even for his wife.
Tuf he in 'Bharhoon' par!
What a pity that husbands are often sent to jail by the courts for non-payment of maintenance even to rebellious wives.
In public transport women become ladies with sole right on any seat and men remain just 'sawaaries' to be shoved around whenever a 'lady' needs a seat.
In fact the very morality here is gender biased which holds men as potential sex-abusers and even rapists and the women 'Satti saawitries' to be respected as honorable ladies.
Student Politics in Pakistan: A Profile
The original DSF whose President was Zuhair Naqvi was definitely a student wing of the CPP whose Chairman was Sajjad Zaheer. It published an English weekly (?) also, called 'Students' Voice'.
Posted by
teshah
Mar 14, 2008 05:20 pm
Re: # 126The original DSF whose President was Zuhair Naqvi was definitely a student wing of the CPP whose Chairman was Sajjad Zaheer. It published an English weekly (?) also, called 'Students' Voice'.
Kashmir Liberated, Others Languish
Why not call it 'Matarwa Gardi'?
Posted by
teshah
Mar 9, 2008 03:39 pm
Re: # 13Why not call it 'Matarwa Gardi'?
Student Politics in Pakistan: A Profile
beenasarwar
Thanks for the valuable information about Zuhair.
You say:
"Zuhair Naqvi died very young, in Moscow -- he was drowned in the Danube, according to Dr Mohammad Sarwar (my father) who knew him."
So kind of you dear Beena! This is the first time some body talked about Zuhair, who was my dear friend and a fellow-traveller. We were together when the so called security forces separated us. Soon afterwards I learnt that Zuhair had died due to illness during his imprisonment. But now you tell me that he was drowned in Danube. Could you please provide me with direct contact with your father or brother of Zuhair or any body remembering him?
Btw, how your father knew Zuhair?
Posted by
teshah
Mar 7, 2008 04:43 pm
Re: # 118beenasarwar
Thanks for the valuable information about Zuhair.
You say:
"Zuhair Naqvi died very young, in Moscow -- he was drowned in the Danube, according to Dr Mohammad Sarwar (my father) who knew him."
So kind of you dear Beena! This is the first time some body talked about Zuhair, who was my dear friend and a fellow-traveller. We were together when the so called security forces separated us. Soon afterwards I learnt that Zuhair had died due to illness during his imprisonment. But now you tell me that he was drowned in Danube. Could you please provide me with direct contact with your father or brother of Zuhair or any body remembering him?
Btw, how your father knew Zuhair?
Student Politics in Pakistan: A Profile
baaghiraja
I am surprised that no body knows about Zuhair Naqvi, President, DSF, who was arrested from Main Hostel of KE College in 1950 as a part, probably, of crack down as a follow-up of the so called Pindi Conspiracy case. I wonder if his real name was Hassan Nasir, as most CP members were working then under fake names. If not, what happened to Zuhair who is also stated to have died during his imprisonment?
Posted by
teshah
Mar 6, 2008 03:46 pm
Re: # 112baaghiraja
I am surprised that no body knows about Zuhair Naqvi, President, DSF, who was arrested from Main Hostel of KE College in 1950 as a part, probably, of crack down as a follow-up of the so called Pindi Conspiracy case. I wonder if his real name was Hassan Nasir, as most CP members were working then under fake names. If not, what happened to Zuhair who is also stated to have died during his imprisonment?
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