Ready for a Modern Pakistan?
Keep digging, fool!
Farrukh
Posted by
fmk
Feb 26, 2006 10:55 pm
Re: # 526Keep digging, fool!
Farrukh
From Jinnah to Jamali
Oh, ho ho! The great Hamdani coming down from his padestal to borrow words from me?! Who could have thought we would live to see this day?
I am waiting when you will start weeping, kiddo?!
Farrukh
Posted by
fmk
Feb 26, 2006 10:41 pm
Re: # 92Oh, ho ho! The great Hamdani coming down from his padestal to borrow words from me?! Who could have thought we would live to see this day?
I am waiting when you will start weeping, kiddo?!
Farrukh
Ready for a Modern Pakistan?
I have read the article once again, Sir. But I have to confess such profound pearls of wisdom are going at least a kilometre above the head of this simple soul. I really have to get back to my ``copying from others``` work business. May be some other time.
Go on have the last word. As Karl Marx once said: ``Last word is for the fools who haven`t said enough``.
Humbly yours,
Farrukh M Khan
Posted by
fmk
Feb 20, 2006 08:47 am
Re: # 524I have read the article once again, Sir. But I have to confess such profound pearls of wisdom are going at least a kilometre above the head of this simple soul. I really have to get back to my ``copying from others``` work business. May be some other time.
Go on have the last word. As Karl Marx once said: ``Last word is for the fools who haven`t said enough``.
Humbly yours,
Farrukh M Khan
From Jinnah to Jamali
There is nothing to assume any more, my dear. You have laid yourself bare for everyone to see what an intellectual dwarf filled with a lot of hot air looks and behaves like.
Cheers,
Farrukh
Posted by
fmk
Feb 20, 2006 08:40 am
Re: # 90There is nothing to assume any more, my dear. You have laid yourself bare for everyone to see what an intellectual dwarf filled with a lot of hot air looks and behaves like.
Cheers,
Farrukh
God-shaped Hole: Contemporary Relevance of the Spiritual
You really don’t give up, do you? Alright, you can have the last word. As Karl Marx once said:
``Go on, get out! . Last words are for fools who haven`t said enough``
Yours sincerely,
Farrukh M Khan
Posted by
fmk
Feb 20, 2006 08:35 am
I have to repeat, little fellow. These are not original lines. I went home got Raza Kazim`s Book No: 21 from the shelf, copied these lines and then shot them off to you, so that a great foreign educated intellectual colossus such as you could make mince meat out of me. You really don’t give up, do you? Alright, you can have the last word. As Karl Marx once said:
``Go on, get out! . Last words are for fools who haven`t said enough``
Yours sincerely,
Farrukh M Khan
Ready for a Modern Pakistan?
Mr. Hamadani:
Bravo!! Bryan Adams bringing enlightened moderation to the land of the pure!? What wishful thinking, epitomized in the last two paragraphs of the recent piece of rubbish that has spewed forth from the sewer you must mistakenly be calling your mind. You should have been here today (on the Mall Road, Lahore) to see the destruction that your ``new, modern and confident Pakistanis`` were inflicting upon the life and property of ordinary people who had come to make a living. Triggered no doubt by love songs of a haggard old rock singer and your marathon running liberals, who drink whiskey in the evening and go to mosque in the day. What pray does Islam have in common with drinking alcohol? At least have the courage to come out of your ideological rat-hole and see things for what they really are.
If you were to stop living in your ivory towers to come out in real life and concentrate to improve your own thinking instead of going out of your way to spread slanderous remarks about others, I think it will do you a lot of good. By making these perfidious and rhetorical comments without any proof, instead of harming me, you are only accentuating your own pathetic existence. If Raza Kazim read what I have written, he would probably disown me forever rather than owning to be the author of ideas you are insisting to have been copied from his work.
As I said before, it not only bespeaks of your basic ignorance of Mr. Kazim’s work (and the level of my association with it) but also betrays a small mind whose narrowness is compounded by pompousness that comes almost naturally to those few Pakistanis who get to spend some time at a foreign university and have the comfort of living off their parents money. In Punjabi we have a proverb that quite aptly describes your mental state – khoti thaney ton ho aaeei hai (the she-ass has been to the police station).
Those who have read the intellectual humbug you keep spreading on Chowk.com, can well understand how appropriately this proverb applies to you. I wonder what a big farce of a life you must be living. I feel sorry for you.
Here is my phone number 0300-4604229. If you have even an iota of courage or substance to what you are yapping about, give me a call and talk to me in person instead of hiding behind these stupid nick names.
Good day to you,
Farrukh Mehboob Khan
Posted by
fmk
Feb 14, 2006 03:50 am
Re: # 522Mr. Hamadani:
Bravo!! Bryan Adams bringing enlightened moderation to the land of the pure!? What wishful thinking, epitomized in the last two paragraphs of the recent piece of rubbish that has spewed forth from the sewer you must mistakenly be calling your mind. You should have been here today (on the Mall Road, Lahore) to see the destruction that your ``new, modern and confident Pakistanis`` were inflicting upon the life and property of ordinary people who had come to make a living. Triggered no doubt by love songs of a haggard old rock singer and your marathon running liberals, who drink whiskey in the evening and go to mosque in the day. What pray does Islam have in common with drinking alcohol? At least have the courage to come out of your ideological rat-hole and see things for what they really are.
If you were to stop living in your ivory towers to come out in real life and concentrate to improve your own thinking instead of going out of your way to spread slanderous remarks about others, I think it will do you a lot of good. By making these perfidious and rhetorical comments without any proof, instead of harming me, you are only accentuating your own pathetic existence. If Raza Kazim read what I have written, he would probably disown me forever rather than owning to be the author of ideas you are insisting to have been copied from his work.
As I said before, it not only bespeaks of your basic ignorance of Mr. Kazim’s work (and the level of my association with it) but also betrays a small mind whose narrowness is compounded by pompousness that comes almost naturally to those few Pakistanis who get to spend some time at a foreign university and have the comfort of living off their parents money. In Punjabi we have a proverb that quite aptly describes your mental state – khoti thaney ton ho aaeei hai (the she-ass has been to the police station).
Those who have read the intellectual humbug you keep spreading on Chowk.com, can well understand how appropriately this proverb applies to you. I wonder what a big farce of a life you must be living. I feel sorry for you.
Here is my phone number 0300-4604229. If you have even an iota of courage or substance to what you are yapping about, give me a call and talk to me in person instead of hiding behind these stupid nick names.
Good day to you,
Farrukh Mehboob Khan
God-shaped Hole: Contemporary Relevance of the Spiritual
Mr. Hamadani:
By making these perfidious and rhetorical comments without any proof, you are only accentuating your own pathetic existence. If Raza read this article, he would probably disown me forever rather owning to be the author of ideas presented here. What a big farce of a life you must be living. I feel sorry for you.
Here is my phone number 0300-4604229. If you have even an iota of courage or substance to what you are yapping about, give me a call and talk to me in person instead of hiding behind these stupid nick names.
Good day to you,
Farrukh Mehboob Khan
Posted by
fmk
Feb 14, 2006 02:26 am
Re: # 6Mr. Hamadani:
By making these perfidious and rhetorical comments without any proof, you are only accentuating your own pathetic existence. If Raza read this article, he would probably disown me forever rather owning to be the author of ideas presented here. What a big farce of a life you must be living. I feel sorry for you.
Here is my phone number 0300-4604229. If you have even an iota of courage or substance to what you are yapping about, give me a call and talk to me in person instead of hiding behind these stupid nick names.
Good day to you,
Farrukh Mehboob Khan
Failure of Institutions in Pakistan?
Mr. Hamadani:
By making these perfidious and rhetorical comments without any proof, you are only accentuating your own pathetic existence.
Here is my phone number 0300-4604229. If you have even an iota of courage or substance to what you are yapping about, give me a call and talk to me in person instead of hiding behind these stupid nick names.
Good day to you,
Farrukh Mehboob Khan
Posted by
fmk
Feb 14, 2006 02:21 am
Re: # 12Mr. Hamadani:
By making these perfidious and rhetorical comments without any proof, you are only accentuating your own pathetic existence.
Here is my phone number 0300-4604229. If you have even an iota of courage or substance to what you are yapping about, give me a call and talk to me in person instead of hiding behind these stupid nick names.
Good day to you,
Farrukh Mehboob Khan
Failure of Institutions in Pakistan?
Mr. Hamadani:
By making these perfidious and rhetorical comments without any proof, you are only accentuating your own pathetic existence.
Here is my phone number 0300-4604229. If you have even an iota of courage or substance to what you are yapping about, give me a call and talk to me in person instead of hiding behind these stupid nick names.
Good day to you,
Farrukh Mehboob Khan
Posted by
fmk
Feb 14, 2006 02:14 am
Re: # 12Mr. Hamadani:
By making these perfidious and rhetorical comments without any proof, you are only accentuating your own pathetic existence.
Here is my phone number 0300-4604229. If you have even an iota of courage or substance to what you are yapping about, give me a call and talk to me in person instead of hiding behind these stupid nick names.
Good day to you,
Farrukh Mehboob Khan
From Jinnah to Jamali
Well, Sir. I am and I am sure any one else who might be reading this await your ``higher and deeper understanding`` of Raza`s work. Being associated with the man in his law business and on an occassional social basis is a lot different from spending day in and day out working with him for six years of one`s life.
Here is my phone number 0300-4604229. If you have an iota of courage or substance to what you are yapping about, give me a call and talk to me in person instead of hiding behind these stupid nick names.
Good day to you,
Farrukh Mehboob Khan
Posted by
fmk
Feb 7, 2006 10:47 pm
Re: # 88Well, Sir. I am and I am sure any one else who might be reading this await your ``higher and deeper understanding`` of Raza`s work. Being associated with the man in his law business and on an occassional social basis is a lot different from spending day in and day out working with him for six years of one`s life.
Here is my phone number 0300-4604229. If you have an iota of courage or substance to what you are yapping about, give me a call and talk to me in person instead of hiding behind these stupid nick names.
Good day to you,
Farrukh Mehboob Khan
From Jinnah to Jamali
Dear Readers,
This is with refernce to Mr. Yasser Lateef Hamdani’s (Mantolives’) recent remarks about my article titled “From Jinnah to Jamali” on Chowk.com. I would start off with an apology to my readers for not having declared before that the above cited article was based on what I learnt and the notes I kept during my six years long association (1995-2001) with Mr. Raza Kazim. During this period, I worked as a research associate at the philosophy department of Sanjan Nagar Institute of Philosophy & Arts, an organization founded by Mr. Kazim in 1995, based in Lahore, Pakistan. Mr. Kazim, whom I consider my teacher in much more than mere political philosophy, is a highly respected name in the circles of non-conforming politics and philosophy of life in Pakistan but much calumniated by the opposite camp. However, it is my sincere submission that this act of omission was not with a malicious intent but only because I wanted the contents of the article be judged on their merit and not shot down in light of any prejudicial predisposition that Mr. Hamdani has termed as Mr. Kazim’s “eccentricities”.
Despite this, to call me an “idiot” and my work a “regurgitative copy” of Mr. Kazim’s ideas not only bespeaks of Mr. Hamdani’s basic ignorance of Mr. Kazim’s work (and the level of my association with it) but also betrays a small mind whose narrowness is compounded by pompousness that comes almost naturally to those few Pakistanis who get to spend some time at a foreign university. In Punjabi we have a proverb that quite aptly describes the state of Mr. Hamdani’s mind and his type – khoti thaney ton ho aaeei hai (the she-ass has been to the police station). Those who, like me, have read the intellectual humbug Mr. Hamdani spreads through his writings on Chowk.com, can well understand how appropriately this proverb applies to him.
Regards,
Farrukh M Khan
Posted by
fmk
Oct 26, 2005 07:34 am
Dear Readers,
This is with refernce to Mr. Yasser Lateef Hamdani’s (Mantolives’) recent remarks about my article titled “From Jinnah to Jamali” on Chowk.com. I would start off with an apology to my readers for not having declared before that the above cited article was based on what I learnt and the notes I kept during my six years long association (1995-2001) with Mr. Raza Kazim. During this period, I worked as a research associate at the philosophy department of Sanjan Nagar Institute of Philosophy & Arts, an organization founded by Mr. Kazim in 1995, based in Lahore, Pakistan. Mr. Kazim, whom I consider my teacher in much more than mere political philosophy, is a highly respected name in the circles of non-conforming politics and philosophy of life in Pakistan but much calumniated by the opposite camp. However, it is my sincere submission that this act of omission was not with a malicious intent but only because I wanted the contents of the article be judged on their merit and not shot down in light of any prejudicial predisposition that Mr. Hamdani has termed as Mr. Kazim’s “eccentricities”.
Despite this, to call me an “idiot” and my work a “regurgitative copy” of Mr. Kazim’s ideas not only bespeaks of Mr. Hamdani’s basic ignorance of Mr. Kazim’s work (and the level of my association with it) but also betrays a small mind whose narrowness is compounded by pompousness that comes almost naturally to those few Pakistanis who get to spend some time at a foreign university. In Punjabi we have a proverb that quite aptly describes the state of Mr. Hamdani’s mind and his type – khoti thaney ton ho aaeei hai (the she-ass has been to the police station). Those who, like me, have read the intellectual humbug Mr. Hamdani spreads through his writings on Chowk.com, can well understand how appropriately this proverb applies to him.
Regards,
Farrukh M Khan
From Jinnah to Jamali
You have more or less endorsed my point of view ... you see my comments about India started when a Pakistani respondents to my article asked why hasn’t India followed the same path towards social, economic and cultural deterioration as Pakistan has, since we both share the same pre-colonial and colonial past. I replied that India had done much better than us … no doubt about that … but they also have problems ... and I mentioned religion and caste problem as one of the major ones. ... And I thought that unlike the siege mentality of trigger happy patriots of Pakistan I would get more understanding responses from the other side of the Great Divide, but my impression was soon to fade away with comments made by mohar and harimau ... Their absolute negation of the existence of such a problem really astonished me.
As for Laloo Parsad`s banning from taking part in election ... he has really made a mockery of the whole situation by putting Rabarri Devi of all the people in his own place at the helm of affairs in Bihar... and its not just Bihar, more than seventy percent of India lives in villages out of which nearly 2/3 don’t have any accessibility other than Katcha Roads (non asphalt) , with little or no access to clean drinking water or regular electricity. Try telling the story of India`s wonderful economic progress to people living in these areas and you know very well what will be their response. ... Now having said this, there is no denying the upsurge in wealth generated by India (about distribution I have my doubts) during the past 15 years or so and that Pakistan should take a leaf out of this book to develop solutions to our own problems.
I never knew that India is known as a ``common wealth of nations`` which it ought to be. By my latest information it is called Bahrat in Hindi and the Republic of India in English.
Farrukh M Khan
Posted by
fmk
May 11, 2004 06:32 am
niranjan:You have more or less endorsed my point of view ... you see my comments about India started when a Pakistani respondents to my article asked why hasn’t India followed the same path towards social, economic and cultural deterioration as Pakistan has, since we both share the same pre-colonial and colonial past. I replied that India had done much better than us … no doubt about that … but they also have problems ... and I mentioned religion and caste problem as one of the major ones. ... And I thought that unlike the siege mentality of trigger happy patriots of Pakistan I would get more understanding responses from the other side of the Great Divide, but my impression was soon to fade away with comments made by mohar and harimau ... Their absolute negation of the existence of such a problem really astonished me.
As for Laloo Parsad`s banning from taking part in election ... he has really made a mockery of the whole situation by putting Rabarri Devi of all the people in his own place at the helm of affairs in Bihar... and its not just Bihar, more than seventy percent of India lives in villages out of which nearly 2/3 don’t have any accessibility other than Katcha Roads (non asphalt) , with little or no access to clean drinking water or regular electricity. Try telling the story of India`s wonderful economic progress to people living in these areas and you know very well what will be their response. ... Now having said this, there is no denying the upsurge in wealth generated by India (about distribution I have my doubts) during the past 15 years or so and that Pakistan should take a leaf out of this book to develop solutions to our own problems.
I never knew that India is known as a ``common wealth of nations`` which it ought to be. By my latest information it is called Bahrat in Hindi and the Republic of India in English.
Farrukh M Khan
From Jinnah to Jamali
Thanks for the comment. But you will need to read the article more carefully to make a fair comment ... It is lot tougher to comprehend fully than you care to believe ... and no where in it have I tried malign India in any way. On the other hand, if we are to take a page out of India’s book, as you have put it, to get our house in order, then wont we be better off if we better understood India`s progress to where they are now? By avoiding to repeat their mistakes.
However, if you r mentioning my exchange with mohar and hirmau, as I said before I would stand corrected to whatever extent information has been provided to me which is on the contrary to what I knew before. But I still stand by my argument that India is still to do way with fissures in its social fabric on the basis of caste and religion.
Farrukh M Khan
Posted by
fmk
May 10, 2004 06:37 am
niranjan: Thanks for the comment. But you will need to read the article more carefully to make a fair comment ... It is lot tougher to comprehend fully than you care to believe ... and no where in it have I tried malign India in any way. On the other hand, if we are to take a page out of India’s book, as you have put it, to get our house in order, then wont we be better off if we better understood India`s progress to where they are now? By avoiding to repeat their mistakes.
However, if you r mentioning my exchange with mohar and hirmau, as I said before I would stand corrected to whatever extent information has been provided to me which is on the contrary to what I knew before. But I still stand by my argument that India is still to do way with fissures in its social fabric on the basis of caste and religion.
Farrukh M Khan
Malka Pukhraj
Malka Pukhraj (nothing wrong with the spelling ... this is how the great lady used to spell it ... more close to the way she would pronounce in her Dogri laced, Punjabi accented Urdu) was a remarkable woman in every respect of the word. People usually know her as a singer, which obviously was her most public forte, but her creative expression was evident in every thing she did. Her hand embroidered pictures, her meticulously stitched quilt covers, the way in which she explained in minutest detail the recipe of a dish or achar, and much more, bespoke of her creative genius. Alas I came to know her personally rather late in her life and therefore could not interact with her as I could have had I known ten years earlier.
The most surprising of her talents that I discovered was when I was given a chapter to read from her hand written manuscript of her memoirs in Urdu. Being a bit of a snob I started reading it with prejudice for the manuscript’s literary quality. But as soon as I started reading I was mesmerized by her prose as I would be by her Paharri renditions. The same ebbs and flows were inscribed on paper as they would have been in the range of her musical talent. The honesty of diction and the simplicity of expression caught me by the scruff of the neck, as it were, and did not let me put down the chapter until it was finished. It was one of the most impressive piece of Urdu prose that I had ever read, transporting me to the era of Maharajas and the beauty of Jammu & Kashmir where Malka Pukhraj was born and spent her childhood and adolescence. Last year the same manuscript was published in English translation as Malka Pukhraj’s autobiography. It was published in India by `Kali for Women` -- a publishing house based in New Delhi. The book - A Song Sung True, translated by Saleem Kidwai -- is available online .. .any one who wishes to know Malka Puhkraj the human being behind the public persona, must read it.
Posted by
fmk
May 10, 2004 06:37 am
Malka Pukhraj (nothing wrong with the spelling ... this is how the great lady used to spell it ... more close to the way she would pronounce in her Dogri laced, Punjabi accented Urdu) was a remarkable woman in every respect of the word. People usually know her as a singer, which obviously was her most public forte, but her creative expression was evident in every thing she did. Her hand embroidered pictures, her meticulously stitched quilt covers, the way in which she explained in minutest detail the recipe of a dish or achar, and much more, bespoke of her creative genius. Alas I came to know her personally rather late in her life and therefore could not interact with her as I could have had I known ten years earlier.
The most surprising of her talents that I discovered was when I was given a chapter to read from her hand written manuscript of her memoirs in Urdu. Being a bit of a snob I started reading it with prejudice for the manuscript’s literary quality. But as soon as I started reading I was mesmerized by her prose as I would be by her Paharri renditions. The same ebbs and flows were inscribed on paper as they would have been in the range of her musical talent. The honesty of diction and the simplicity of expression caught me by the scruff of the neck, as it were, and did not let me put down the chapter until it was finished. It was one of the most impressive piece of Urdu prose that I had ever read, transporting me to the era of Maharajas and the beauty of Jammu & Kashmir where Malka Pukhraj was born and spent her childhood and adolescence. Last year the same manuscript was published in English translation as Malka Pukhraj’s autobiography. It was published in India by `Kali for Women` -- a publishing house based in New Delhi. The book - A Song Sung True, translated by Saleem Kidwai -- is available online .. .any one who wishes to know Malka Puhkraj the human being behind the public persona, must read it.
From Jinnah to Jamali
Carpadium:
Sir, I am sorry for inadvertently hurting your feelings through the use of the word sensitivities without qualifying it with an explanation why it has been used. The word has been used in the specific context of society and its evolutionary context. Our friend, kakka, specifically said that he didn’t care much for the collective and societal ... he is more involved in paying his personal debts (whatever that means). .., and from where did you derive the notion of being `not desirous of prosperity`???? I think my friend, kakka, is very much interested in prosperity albeit at the personal level ... hence the reference probably to his personal debts as more important than the collective.
Farrukh M Khan
Posted by
fmk
May 7, 2004 06:11 am
Carpadium:
Sir, I am sorry for inadvertently hurting your feelings through the use of the word sensitivities without qualifying it with an explanation why it has been used. The word has been used in the specific context of society and its evolutionary context. Our friend, kakka, specifically said that he didn’t care much for the collective and societal ... he is more involved in paying his personal debts (whatever that means). .., and from where did you derive the notion of being `not desirous of prosperity`???? I think my friend, kakka, is very much interested in prosperity albeit at the personal level ... hence the reference probably to his personal debts as more important than the collective.
Farrukh M Khan
From Jinnah to Jamali
No, ahmadbilal, it will neither be the Indians nor us Pakistanis who will decide whether Pakistan is a viable state or not ... Nor will our wanting for it to be so will decide it; the fate of Pakistani societal/economic/cultural/institutional edifice will be determined by our readiness to pour blood and sweat into its foundations. Getting immigration visas to the Western world wont do it; it will be the Pakistanis who live in Pakistan by choice and for love of the people and motherland who will do it.
It will be the merciless process of history that will give us the certificate of being a failed or viable state. And going by our history so far, we don`t have much of a claim for viability.
Farrukh M Khan
Posted by
fmk
May 7, 2004 12:58 am
No, ahmadbilal, it will neither be the Indians nor us Pakistanis who will decide whether Pakistan is a viable state or not ... Nor will our wanting for it to be so will decide it; the fate of Pakistani societal/economic/cultural/institutional edifice will be determined by our readiness to pour blood and sweat into its foundations. Getting immigration visas to the Western world wont do it; it will be the Pakistanis who live in Pakistan by choice and for love of the people and motherland who will do it.
It will be the merciless process of history that will give us the certificate of being a failed or viable state. And going by our history so far, we don`t have much of a claim for viability.
Farrukh M Khan
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