The Corrupted Daughter #6 by malyck

But you have to think of social conventions, worldly gains in a broader perspective. Rituals are necessary for a religion to survive. True. But how one performs these rituals becomes a matter of personal conviction. In the end, it comes down to intentions. The goodness and badness of deeds/rituals depend on the personal conviction.

I am not saying you are wrong but I am not wrong either!

The Corrupted Daughter Urstruly #1

``think somehow men are responsible for this depression in their characters. What do you think? Why can`t you find characters who are passionate about something rather than being melancholic.``

You could be right, you could be wrong. But you are right about the women of today. I see them as active/intelligent voices in peace/feminist movements, in ngos but a closer look gives a feeling of emptiness, loneliness. I think they are suffering from a serious identity crisis. They don`t know who they are anymore and I don`t know who to blame for this. It could be the education, it could be the effects of globalization.

PS: My characters are certainly depressing. I find it challenging to write about the deeper, darker aspects of the human condition. I think I am quoting someone here ;)


garam chai,

That`s a difficult question. I don`t think I can explain the creativity-pain relationship. If one thinks of it in terms of cause and effect, then it becomes a relative thing. Pain can bring out the creativity inside or vice versa. In my case, creativity has always been an uninvited guest :)

Thanks for your comments.

The Corrupted Daughter His Excellency,

Great analysis! Thanks.

Stone Walls and Metal Gates Urstruly #14

Never mind the poem. And Jann sounds good, thanks.

The Corrupted Daughter #2 by malyck on May 7, 2004 12:50pm PT

``The lack of knowledge about that particular religion gives them some stupid questions which most of people cant answer. So they think about themselves as some disciples of Kant, Marx, Russel et al. But why am I tellign this to you .... ???``

This story is about a girl who wants to break free from `traditional` thinking ways. And yes, she uses religion as an excuse to begin her objections. She tries this `idea of wind` with her mother and malyck gee, let me assure you, the girl is expressing her fascination with creative imagination along with her naive objection on tradition. She is a character which is swinging between two extremes. Try to understand that.

``In this story mom is traditional religious fanatic who gives fatwas every second``

Hmm, `fatwas every second?`. Not so implied in the passage. Certainly not accurate. The mother in the story is yes obsessed with religion but she is definitely not a fanatic. She is just being a mother ;) Try to understand that.

``The girl quotes the wrong verses of Koran.`` Malyck gee, she was never quoting verses of the Quran, only `interpretations`. It seems you are well aware of logic, there is a big difference between `verse` and `tafseer`. Wouldn`t you agree?

Will keep your suggestion in mind malyck gee. Thank you very much.

Stone Walls and Metal Gates urstruly,

Although I hate to talk about depressing topics (the poem I posted was written four/five years ago), I will say this, there`s always a sound reason behind these sad stories so one should try to float in the sea of human condition rather than sinking in it or worse, to make others sink in it too. Life is a blessing and it should be enjoyed.

As for Jann Arden, I don`t know her. If she sounds like Paula, well, then she must be the same category.

Stone Walls and Metal Gates Hey Urstruly,

Chill! It`s just a well-written story with, yes, depressing subject matter but hey, that`s it!

PS: I would prefer Morcheeba`s `Rome wasn`t built in a day`. Besides, I never liked that Paula Cole song.

Take care

Stone Walls and Metal Gates Nicely written.

Suicide: My Salvation Danesh: I am glad you understood :)

Mr. Isphahani: I see what you mean, God bless you.

Moulaboux: Never did, thank you so much :)

Temporal: But ofcourse, what can we do about loose ends, they are so many! Yet I strongly agree with:

`it is the curse of misunderstood dogma and misinterpreted religion that hangs over our heads like the proverbial peer e tasma paa ..albatross, if you will…
…and for every suicide bombing that is carried out by anyone anywhere in the world …particularly when by a muslim I ache…as if I had a share in that act and blame myself partly for it…and this blaming myself is in a collective sense… we… the semi-educated muslims(I use this advisedly)…do not use our abilities…do not read enough about our religion…are loathe to study it or think about the various implications…beyond the usual rituals and dogmas…thus abandoning the turf to the mullahs…(of course this has been going on for centuries)…and they (the mullahs) have acquired a vested interest in interpreting the religion for us…(remember the irony? there is no clergy sanctioned in islam!…`

Well said. It is never too late to hope.

Azure: I too would like an explanation on your `ascetics are cowards` theory. I think asceticism and cowardice are two very different things. An ascetic is not alone, cowards are. Allow me to share these beautiful words with you:

Once I stood alone so proud
Held myself above the crowd
And now I am low on the ground

From here I look around to see
What avenues belong to me
I can`t tell what I`ve found

The mother and the matador
The mystic each were here before
Like me to stare you down
You appear without a face
Disappear but leave your trace
I feel your unseen frown.

I looked for you in heathered moor
The desert and the ocean floor
How low does one heart go?
Looking for your fingerprints
I find them in co-incidence and make my faith to grow

Forgive me all my blindnesses, my weakness and unkindnesses
As yet unbending still
Struggling so hard to see my fist against eternity
And will you break my will?
Now what would you have me do?
I ask you please, I wait to hear
Your voice, the words you say, I`ll wait
To see the sign, would I obey?

Penitent: Suzanne Vega

Suicide: My Salvation

Uh huh. Thanks for the clarification. I wish the bombers could understand the `should not` part. But it is a difficult issue with so many variables to look at. One that I can comment on is, the people who program these `bombers` use their (socio-economic) weaknesses to trigger the desire to blow up life. And they smartly compensate for that by telling them that they would be martyrs and get eternal life in heaven.

It`s never the cause of the bomber, it`s always the cause of the programmer, of the puppeteer. The bomber gets his freedom and the programmer, his/her agenda. It`s terrible logic and thinkers wouldn`t be interested in knowing it. Why did you knock it?

Suicide: My Salvation Compliment appreciated azure. Thank you so much!

Suicide: My Salvation Look danesh, this poem is an attempt to explain the consequences of losing the rationale to make the right decision. The person in this poem is new to the world where survival is impossible without interaction with the environment. To escape the needs and challenges of survival, he/she decides to end life.

Try to look for the positive message in the poem. If one does not use the `vital signs` properly or at all; a person can end up doing lots of stupid things, including taking his/her own life. It urges one to make sense of the most irrational of situations and strike a balance between the spiritual and the material. Why choose death over life? Try to see it in that light and let me know what YOU see.


temporal, answer to your question: To think is to exist, to feel is to flourish, to see is to believe. The `will` to tie the knot with death comes when you don`t want to think, feel or see, try reading the poem again. And thanks for liking it :)

That Whore










I see. Thanks for the clarification. Traditional usage of a word I suppose leads one to make assumptions that are not implied in its use. You just broke the tradition. Good to see that. I hope you have your well-deserved consolation kiss.

PS: Donkey:Philosophers, Vultures: Morality; I must say, excellent analogies.

That Whore Very nice indeed. A question however. Was the narrator really ill when he decided the title for this story? I don`t see a connection between a whore and that girl. She was definitely curious (and for good reason!) and definitely sly......but....

Indecent Proposal sounds like a good title for this ( A movie I`ve never seen).

Quantitative Science in Evolution of Humanity Mr. Isphahani, when I wrote, `Thanks, I`ll look them up, let me get back to you`, with all due respect, I meant that I will look into your work and respond. May Allah bless you for your services to Muslimhood. I am with you 100%. Mr. Bush is about to realize the game of imperialism he chose to play is on its way to disastrous end but I doubt he will until its too late. A smart person should not give heed to someone who shares genetic as well as physiological traits of monkeys.

Its all about power ultimately. And it is good to see that people are getting tired of it. I only wish there were more countries like Spain reacting dramatically to it. But of course, reaction of such nature will take time to develop in countries like Saudi Arabia. So, one should never stop trying.

Extremist regimes (e.g. imperialism, communism, fascism etc) always have their hey days but they never survive. Yesterday, it was the British Raj, Hitler`s Germany and the Soviet Union and in the near future, I see our beloved Uncle Sam in tears (I wonder if he`s already crying). Speaking of a stable communist China, wonder why India so eagerly signed the free trade agreement in this year`s SAARC conference. Not to mention apni Pakistani hakoomat that complied without hesitation.

Ah yes, the internet. Only a week ago, I deleted my e-mail address book shifting it to my paper diary because of the lovely viruses that wouldn`t stop visiting my contacts` inboxes. When I see the wonders of this paperless technology, I sometimes miss the old days. But of course, as you have rightly said Urstruly, science cannot survive without technology. Staying correctly informed and up-to-date are keys to survival.

And Sami, I am quite worried about evolving minds, especially our people who are learning these sciences. Yesterday, a metallurgist was making nuclear bombs. Tomorrow, an Engineer would be applying for a post of a typist. Therefore, it is important for me to teach them the history of how the intellectuals of the past thought. I am doing a duty to guide them with facts that our people, correction: our intellectual learning class don`t probably know.

Those who know nothing but their majhs, chaarpais, glasses of lassi and taaza hawa are by far the happiest people on earth. So, I have made every effort to spare them. And believe it or not, it is us intellectuals that need to be educated about peace and humanism, not the happy man.

And finally, ma`am Kyla, I am very happy to be here :) A great place for soch bichar and maghaz mari. PS: We all miss you at Khaldunia. Hope to see you again soon.

Thanks everyone for sharing your hot brains! You rock!

Quantitative Science in Evolution of Humanity Thanks Isphahani, I`ll look them up....let me get back to you...

And urstruly, I hope you are feeling better now. The grandness of science can lead one to pessimism, quite natural especially when you`re not feeling well...

You have a valid point when you say ownership of science hinders free thought. The point I am trying to make here is that we haven`t tried to `really` break free; fooling our sub-conscious not facing it.

If people began to tune their thoughts - expanding parallel to the advancements of science, things can change. But this is the ultimate challenge: how do we reason with our sub-conscious thoughts especially when we don`t know when they`re controlling us? And let`s assume we are successful, then what? Trouble? Most probably. As Bertrand Russell puts it, the love for power is insidious and let`s face it, even the philanthropists are selfish. They may be revolutionaries in the emancipation of `some` aspects of humanity, so, one can expect that there are many who disagree with them. Everyone suffers from this disease and the cure lies within the person.

And by the way, science is so easily accesible today! All one needs is a little common sense to click on the right information. Now that is a question of relativity. Think of science as mental ownership. No one can take that away from you!