Mohajirs Are People Too
ZK sahiba, it took 54 interacts before a karachiite finally uttered a formal invitation. but dair aayed, durust aayed. thanks!
now all we need to do is to coordinate our schedules :)
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 01:44 pm
ZK "In other words Karachi Aapka intizaar kar raha hai so you too can come and see why we Karachiites are so enthralled by our city."ZK sahiba, it took 54 interacts before a karachiite finally uttered a formal invitation. but dair aayed, durust aayed. thanks!
now all we need to do is to coordinate our schedules :)
Mohajirs Are People Too
haha! i have no clue what a "nur jahani gharara" is, but I am A-ok with marrying any Lucknavi haseena of "pehlay aap, naheen pehlay aap" fame.
and besides the opportunity to watch you dance watusi is an added incentive :)
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 11:19 am
salim [As long as the bride is a pure Lucknavi haseena in a red Nur Jahani gharara, I will not only do a bhangRa but a breakdance, mashed potato, and the Watusi] haha! i have no clue what a "nur jahani gharara" is, but I am A-ok with marrying any Lucknavi haseena of "pehlay aap, naheen pehlay aap" fame.
and besides the opportunity to watch you dance watusi is an added incentive :)
Mohajirs Are People Too
The only culturally imposing figures among the Mohajirs are the remnants of the Lucknavi nobility. When these masters of the Urdu tongue show up, the Biharis swallow their paan ki peek, the Dilliwaalas forget whether they were aarya or jaarya, and even the Pride of this Rajput goes Injun. ]
hahaha! thanks for sharing these secrets of Karachi. I suppose this yearning on both sides to hear each other's urdu is what keeps PIA busy shuttling passengers between Lahore and Karachi.
And in this spirit of Punju-Mojo peace on chowk, I am willing to come over to your place to have genuine Karachi biryani and sheermal, as long as you accept to do bhangRa on my wedding.
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 09:19 am
salim #43 [After all is said and done, one yearns for the smooth Punjoo accent after hearing "Aarya, Jaarya, and bol ke bolay kiya bolay Hazraat, ek chai maarna" all day long. The only culturally imposing figures among the Mohajirs are the remnants of the Lucknavi nobility. When these masters of the Urdu tongue show up, the Biharis swallow their paan ki peek, the Dilliwaalas forget whether they were aarya or jaarya, and even the Pride of this Rajput goes Injun. ]
hahaha! thanks for sharing these secrets of Karachi. I suppose this yearning on both sides to hear each other's urdu is what keeps PIA busy shuttling passengers between Lahore and Karachi.
And in this spirit of Punju-Mojo peace on chowk, I am willing to come over to your place to have genuine Karachi biryani and sheermal, as long as you accept to do bhangRa on my wedding.
Mohajirs Are People Too
please stop being a plate pisser by referring to americans as having an IQ lower than 20! Watch the first video in #33.
How insecure does a man have to be to announce on the internet how people "marvel" at him!!
Now THIS is where an IQ greater than 20, or 5 minutes outside the cantonment, would have come in handy for you. When I talked about the "marvel" part, I wasnt referring to myself. I started that whole para by writing a big IF: "For example, I have this policy that if a non-muslim friend asks me".
And my hypothetical questions are not baseless. Those with IQ's greater than 20 know of the situations when an american born and raised hijabi girl with perfectly American accented english gets asked "where are you from?". Ok, this is pardonable since hijab is not that mainstream in US, yet. But what is amazing is the unpardonable dropping of the jaws when she responds "I am from Boston!". And the american equivalent of pakistani cantonment kuttas aka neo-conish republican types may insinuate "and was it your brother or your father who beat you into wearing this...thing?"
So yeah, questions like these are not common. But you have to have an IQ of at least equal to your age to grasp the situation around where you live. But wait, that "An IQ at least equal to your age" may be a good joke when you are in your 20s, but not when you are 65!
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 06:31 am
chacha #34 "I am in awe of your clever answers to questions which I cant imagine anyone with an IQ of more than 20 would actually have asked you."please stop being a plate pisser by referring to americans as having an IQ lower than 20! Watch the first video in #33.
How insecure does a man have to be to announce on the internet how people "marvel" at him!!
Now THIS is where an IQ greater than 20, or 5 minutes outside the cantonment, would have come in handy for you. When I talked about the "marvel" part, I wasnt referring to myself. I started that whole para by writing a big IF: "For example, I have this policy that if a non-muslim friend asks me".
And my hypothetical questions are not baseless. Those with IQ's greater than 20 know of the situations when an american born and raised hijabi girl with perfectly American accented english gets asked "where are you from?". Ok, this is pardonable since hijab is not that mainstream in US, yet. But what is amazing is the unpardonable dropping of the jaws when she responds "I am from Boston!". And the american equivalent of pakistani cantonment kuttas aka neo-conish republican types may insinuate "and was it your brother or your father who beat you into wearing this...thing?"
So yeah, questions like these are not common. But you have to have an IQ of at least equal to your age to grasp the situation around where you live. But wait, that "An IQ at least equal to your age" may be a good joke when you are in your 20s, but not when you are 65!
Mohajirs Are People Too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifTmG9drjE&feature=related
http:/ /www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYlaIxNX01Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOCf3pg5Z 74&feature=related
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 05:32 am
this is what I mean by my post #32:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifTmG9drjE&feature=related
http:/ /www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYlaIxNX01Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOCf3pg5Z 74&feature=related
Mohajirs Are People Too
i am surprised that anyone would consider my comments on non-mohajirs as "abrasive" or "inappropriate"! Would it have helped if I had put this line in the footnote - "Atif is a non-mohajir and hence its entirely appropriate and politically correct for him to make fun of his fellow non-mohajirs" ?
Muslims in general, and Pakistanis in particular have become quite sensitive - and sometimes rightfully so. But I think we need to take a chill pill once in a while. For example, I have this policy that if a non-muslim friend asks me whether I believe in "Jihad by sword", I dont launch into this defensive "Oh we are so peaceful people" and all that. I tell him straight out that I dont know of jihad of any other kind, and watch his eyes as they widen. If he asks me whether I would have four wives, I tell him that getting married to two would be a good start. When he marvels that I fit so comfortably in the western as well as eastern society, I tell him this is as per Al-qaeda's "sleeper cell" guidebook.
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 03:33 am
izuber "Having read several comments/interactions by readers of your article some don’t find it appropriate that you may have adopted an abrasive tone in describing people other than mohajirs or Urdu speaking"i am surprised that anyone would consider my comments on non-mohajirs as "abrasive" or "inappropriate"! Would it have helped if I had put this line in the footnote - "Atif is a non-mohajir and hence its entirely appropriate and politically correct for him to make fun of his fellow non-mohajirs" ?
Muslims in general, and Pakistanis in particular have become quite sensitive - and sometimes rightfully so. But I think we need to take a chill pill once in a while. For example, I have this policy that if a non-muslim friend asks me whether I believe in "Jihad by sword", I dont launch into this defensive "Oh we are so peaceful people" and all that. I tell him straight out that I dont know of jihad of any other kind, and watch his eyes as they widen. If he asks me whether I would have four wives, I tell him that getting married to two would be a good start. When he marvels that I fit so comfortably in the western as well as eastern society, I tell him this is as per Al-qaeda's "sleeper cell" guidebook.
Mohajirs Are People Too
i wasnt aware that this airport was built by Rogaine Sharif!
but you do make a very interesting observation about changing people's behaviour overnight. I believe this behavioural change on the part of citizens can occur if the administrators pay attention to the smallest of the details, like ensuring NOT ONE paan kee peek in the environs of terminal.
If you google the phrase "broken windows theory", you will get more details on what I mean.
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 02:46 am
cliffy boy "tinda sharif made us a beautiful airport and people's behavior just changed overnight ....fuk there isnt even paan kee peek on that airport."i wasnt aware that this airport was built by Rogaine Sharif!
but you do make a very interesting observation about changing people's behaviour overnight. I believe this behavioural change on the part of citizens can occur if the administrators pay attention to the smallest of the details, like ensuring NOT ONE paan kee peek in the environs of terminal.
If you google the phrase "broken windows theory", you will get more details on what I mean.
Mohajirs Are People Too
hahhaha! but in my case, at least I stepped out of the terminal for 5 minutes :)
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 02:03 am
aasif "it seems like now you know as much about kiranchee as tehmed chachoo knows about life outside of cantonment..... ;) "hahhaha! but in my case, at least I stepped out of the terminal for 5 minutes :)
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
the last i checked, indonesia has many non-muslim faiths - hindoos, budhists, christians and animists being the larger ones. NONE of these faith groups has been threatened with getting banned. So whats different about mirzaees?
Consider this analogy: A mexican who enters the US illegally cannot claim to be a US citizen. Why? Because he did not fulfill the pre-requisites for entry into the US as stated in its laws. Similarly, a man cannot claim to be a muslim when he failed to adhere to the fundamental laws for entry into the folds of islam. Just like American govt has the right to arrest and persecute that illegal immigrant for making a false claim of his american citizenship, muslims have a right to do the same. Its about maintaining order at national and religious levels.
and besides, at a personal level, I have a problem with mirzaees who use foul language against my Prophet (pbuh) and my religion all day long and then write an article about mirzaee persecution at night. Does the author of this article happen to know such person?
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 01:53 am
"The most recent bad news is coming from Indonesia, where Jemahh Islamiyah is deadest on having the Ahmadi faith be completely “Banned” in Indonesia"the last i checked, indonesia has many non-muslim faiths - hindoos, budhists, christians and animists being the larger ones. NONE of these faith groups has been threatened with getting banned. So whats different about mirzaees?
Consider this analogy: A mexican who enters the US illegally cannot claim to be a US citizen. Why? Because he did not fulfill the pre-requisites for entry into the US as stated in its laws. Similarly, a man cannot claim to be a muslim when he failed to adhere to the fundamental laws for entry into the folds of islam. Just like American govt has the right to arrest and persecute that illegal immigrant for making a false claim of his american citizenship, muslims have a right to do the same. Its about maintaining order at national and religious levels.
and besides, at a personal level, I have a problem with mirzaees who use foul language against my Prophet (pbuh) and my religion all day long and then write an article about mirzaee persecution at night. Does the author of this article happen to know such person?
Mohajirs Are People Too
no i did not. and this is exactly where I feel that all pakistanis - mohajirs, punjabis, pushtoons, balochis - are stuck in the 20th century.
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 01:37 am
salim "Now, come on, did you really find the condominiums at the airport?"no i did not. and this is exactly where I feel that all pakistanis - mohajirs, punjabis, pushtoons, balochis - are stuck in the 20th century.
Mohajirs Are People Too
Now lets not be too harsh on ourselves by questioning our intellect. its just an article. i am sure you are quite a smart person than you give yourself credit for.
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 01:25 am
Nikhat "Seriously I missed it completely so dumb of me..."Now lets not be too harsh on ourselves by questioning our intellect. its just an article. i am sure you are quite a smart person than you give yourself credit for.
Mohajirs Are People Too
It takes a man to know a man's style. Thanks!
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 01:23 am
Cliffy boy "This is a loopy article because thats atif's provocative style, its actually not meant to be offensive to anyone."It takes a man to know a man's style. Thanks!
Mohajirs Are People Too
aha! finally someone who found an element of "humor" that I had originally intended! Indeed, the fact that all of this observation of karachi and mohajirs is based on "five minutes of walk through the airport" and the rose tinted glasses of stay at the first class lounge seems to have been lost.
Posted by
atif2
May 15, 2008 01:22 am
salim "Salim “Leave it to you to write a complete and delightful article after only a few minutes of observation.”aha! finally someone who found an element of "humor" that I had originally intended! Indeed, the fact that all of this observation of karachi and mohajirs is based on "five minutes of walk through the airport" and the rose tinted glasses of stay at the first class lounge seems to have been lost.
Race to the Finish
dear mirzaee, its dumb people like you who make me want to believe in that Bell Curve theory...
what you suggested is exactly was the point that I made and you never understood, that is, who is to say that Germans would not have come this far! in fact, i bet even Mirza Masroor would have opted to make mirzayyat's HQ in Berlin, instead of London - despite all that holocaust stuff that you keep crying about.
so stick to your lowly brown roots and let the superior races play their superior games. As that great poet from Pindi, Anwar Masood once said "hakoomtaN di gal too hakoomtaaN tay rehn day"
Posted by
atif2
Apr 30, 2008 10:38 am
"Yeah Atif, that’s very true, but look at how far has this country come from that time?"dear mirzaee, its dumb people like you who make me want to believe in that Bell Curve theory...
what you suggested is exactly was the point that I made and you never understood, that is, who is to say that Germans would not have come this far! in fact, i bet even Mirza Masroor would have opted to make mirzayyat's HQ in Berlin, instead of London - despite all that holocaust stuff that you keep crying about.
so stick to your lowly brown roots and let the superior races play their superior games. As that great poet from Pindi, Anwar Masood once said "hakoomtaN di gal too hakoomtaaN tay rehn day"
Race to the Finish
bullshit! utter bullshit!
much is made of how Jesse Owens "embarassed" Hitler by winning gold medals in 1936. But an important part of that story is never mentioned: when that same Jesse Owens came back to America, he could not drink water from the same taps as whites nor could he sit next to whites in bus. In fact, this is what he said "Hitler didn't snub me—it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram." Owens was NEVER invited to the White House (unlike the white olympians) and NEVER bestowed any honors by Presidents FDR or Truman.
Owens wrote that he was cheered enthusiastically by 110,000 people in Berlin's Olympic Stadium and later ordinary Germans sought his autograph when they saw him in the streets. He traveled with and stayed in the same hotels as whites, something he was not allowed in USA.
So much for throwing stones at Hitler!
The fact is that this Jesse Owens story is peddled to shore up the idea that Hitler was an evil personafied. But wasnt it the same Hitler who entered into alliance with the slant eyed Japs? Wasnt it the same Hitler and his allies who formed and armed Azad Hind Fauj to help indians overthrow the British? History is not as black and white as we wish it to be, is it?
Her is my suggestion: the brown puppies and zionist loving mirzaees should stop jumping up and down regarding Hitler and regarding what was essentially a war between white powers. The history is written by victors. And had it been Hitler who would have won WW2, instead of the allies, it would not have been a much different world. The brown puppies would have simply gone from being pets of Brits to pets of Germans. We would today be interacting in german on chowk while living in Berlin. H-1b hindoos would be coding for companies in Frankfurt and Hamburg, instead of San Jose and Seattle, and raising their matchstick fists in support of German invasions in middle east. And just like America evolved from its slave owning foundations to claim the leadership of civil rights and human rights in the rest of the world, the racist nazi german leadership of early years would have evolved into doing the same.
But of course, it is for political expediency that we marvel at our self-proclaimed self-righteousness when we talk about that nigger Jesse Owens who supposedly "embarassed" Hitler.
What an utter BULLSHIT!
Posted by
atif2
Apr 30, 2008 10:18 am
"Hitler standing in the bleachers on one fine day of 1936 Berlin Olympics must have urinated in his pants multiple times seeing an African American (Jesse Owens) leaving the ‘Superior Race’ in the dust for all sprints."bullshit! utter bullshit!
much is made of how Jesse Owens "embarassed" Hitler by winning gold medals in 1936. But an important part of that story is never mentioned: when that same Jesse Owens came back to America, he could not drink water from the same taps as whites nor could he sit next to whites in bus. In fact, this is what he said "Hitler didn't snub me—it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram." Owens was NEVER invited to the White House (unlike the white olympians) and NEVER bestowed any honors by Presidents FDR or Truman.
Owens wrote that he was cheered enthusiastically by 110,000 people in Berlin's Olympic Stadium and later ordinary Germans sought his autograph when they saw him in the streets. He traveled with and stayed in the same hotels as whites, something he was not allowed in USA.
So much for throwing stones at Hitler!
The fact is that this Jesse Owens story is peddled to shore up the idea that Hitler was an evil personafied. But wasnt it the same Hitler who entered into alliance with the slant eyed Japs? Wasnt it the same Hitler and his allies who formed and armed Azad Hind Fauj to help indians overthrow the British? History is not as black and white as we wish it to be, is it?
Her is my suggestion: the brown puppies and zionist loving mirzaees should stop jumping up and down regarding Hitler and regarding what was essentially a war between white powers. The history is written by victors. And had it been Hitler who would have won WW2, instead of the allies, it would not have been a much different world. The brown puppies would have simply gone from being pets of Brits to pets of Germans. We would today be interacting in german on chowk while living in Berlin. H-1b hindoos would be coding for companies in Frankfurt and Hamburg, instead of San Jose and Seattle, and raising their matchstick fists in support of German invasions in middle east. And just like America evolved from its slave owning foundations to claim the leadership of civil rights and human rights in the rest of the world, the racist nazi german leadership of early years would have evolved into doing the same.
But of course, it is for political expediency that we marvel at our self-proclaimed self-righteousness when we talk about that nigger Jesse Owens who supposedly "embarassed" Hitler.
What an utter BULLSHIT!
Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit?
Great job!!!
Posted by
atif2
Apr 4, 2008 07:08 am
Zeemax #535, as someone who has taken it upon himself to teach hindoos the basics of math, I hereby certify that you have not only validated the mathematic theory behind the Fibonacci numbers, but your percentages also added up to a full 100% - something the self-styled "finance gurus" like CreateAlpha have had a tough time achievingGreat job!!!
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