Abdul Latif Khalid (1944-2007)
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 24, 2007 06:23 pm
I am sorry for your loss. May your father be at peace, and may you and your family be at peace.
In Search Of Baby Chips
Beautifully written. Very touching, and quite sad. One of the best articles I have ever read on Chowk. Splendid expression.
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 21, 2007 02:25 pm
Tahir Sahib,Beautifully written. Very touching, and quite sad. One of the best articles I have ever read on Chowk. Splendid expression.
Aqsa Pervez: The Casualty of Patriarchy
You make some great points. Aqsa's murder had to do with the loss of power her father felt over her.
The only way he knew to regain that power was to choke her to death.
It was a hate crime and an honor killing. Hate crime because her father hated the independence she exhibited. How dare she be independent and think for herself?
Honor killing because he perceived his honor was on the line.
Thus he committed the most dishonorable of all acts. The murder of one's own progeny. Truly despicable!
The statement by the Canadian Imams is quite funny, and revealing.
Training your daughters to wear hijab earlier laughs in the face of free will regarding religion. Training your daughters is another synonym for forcing your daughters.
Yes, Make them wear the hijab at an age where they cant protest until it becomes a habit for them.
I think Hijab when forced, has less to do with purity but more to do with appearances. Oh, the people will say He is such a good Muslim father for instilling the value of Hijab in his daughter. He will fit in better with his peers at the mosque, and will be respected.
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 21, 2007 02:00 pm
Haider,You make some great points. Aqsa's murder had to do with the loss of power her father felt over her.
The only way he knew to regain that power was to choke her to death.
It was a hate crime and an honor killing. Hate crime because her father hated the independence she exhibited. How dare she be independent and think for herself?
Honor killing because he perceived his honor was on the line.
Thus he committed the most dishonorable of all acts. The murder of one's own progeny. Truly despicable!
The statement by the Canadian Imams is quite funny, and revealing.
Training your daughters to wear hijab earlier laughs in the face of free will regarding religion. Training your daughters is another synonym for forcing your daughters.
Yes, Make them wear the hijab at an age where they cant protest until it becomes a habit for them.
I think Hijab when forced, has less to do with purity but more to do with appearances. Oh, the people will say He is such a good Muslim father for instilling the value of Hijab in his daughter. He will fit in better with his peers at the mosque, and will be respected.
Feminism Under Veil
Please do ignore Mr. Hamza,
According to his Islam, it is appropriate to insult people of other religions. Very islamic behavior, indeed!
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 06:31 pm
Mohar, Please do ignore Mr. Hamza,
According to his Islam, it is appropriate to insult people of other religions. Very islamic behavior, indeed!
Feminism Under Veil
I totally agree.
If you see some of these black and latino women in extremely tight halter tops and very low cut jeans with nothing left to the imagination in New York City, you would agree that nothing is attractive about them in all their barely dressed glory.
A beautiful woman is beautiful in hijab or out of it.
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 01:22 pm
Hurricane,I totally agree.
If you see some of these black and latino women in extremely tight halter tops and very low cut jeans with nothing left to the imagination in New York City, you would agree that nothing is attractive about them in all their barely dressed glory.
A beautiful woman is beautiful in hijab or out of it.
Feminism Under Veil
I didnt formally put him on my ignore list. I Just meant that I wont engage in dialogue with him. Its quite futile!
I am sure Hamza is a wonderful person, and probably so is Abu Safwaan.
I just dont want to discuss anything with them in the future, because I will always be wrong no matter what!
Both of them have become too personal, and left common decency by the wayside. Thus, May they be wise and prosper. I will end with this prayer.
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 01:10 pm
Hurricane Bhai, I didnt formally put him on my ignore list. I Just meant that I wont engage in dialogue with him. Its quite futile!
I am sure Hamza is a wonderful person, and probably so is Abu Safwaan.
I just dont want to discuss anything with them in the future, because I will always be wrong no matter what!
Both of them have become too personal, and left common decency by the wayside. Thus, May they be wise and prosper. I will end with this prayer.
Feminism Under Veil
Thank you for your response.
You keep telling me that what I do in the privavy of my own home is my own business, yet you bring it up over and over again.
You have absolutely no idea what I do in the privacy of my home.
My mother or grandmother have no desire to tell you anything, so lets keep them out of it.
You can scream all you want at me about my ignorance about Islam. But that is your opinion, and it does not make it true.
There are those who call the Prophet a pedophile for consummating marriage with a nine year old Ayesha. It is again, just an opinion. It does not make it true.
This is my last post to you. From now onwards you are on permanent ignore. To you your Deen, and to me mine!
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 12:45 pm
Mr. Hamza,Thank you for your response.
You keep telling me that what I do in the privavy of my own home is my own business, yet you bring it up over and over again.
You have absolutely no idea what I do in the privacy of my home.
My mother or grandmother have no desire to tell you anything, so lets keep them out of it.
You can scream all you want at me about my ignorance about Islam. But that is your opinion, and it does not make it true.
There are those who call the Prophet a pedophile for consummating marriage with a nine year old Ayesha. It is again, just an opinion. It does not make it true.
This is my last post to you. From now onwards you are on permanent ignore. To you your Deen, and to me mine!
Feminism Under Veil
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 10:58 am
The Quran was compiled during the reign of Uthman, whereas the hadith were not compiled till 300 years after Muhammad's death. does that answer your question Eklavya?
Feminism Under Veil
Allah Almighty forgives pretty much all sins except idol worshiping and trinity beliefs; "Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin most heinous indeed. (The Noble Quran, 4:48)." Therefore, Islam forms the direct relationship between a Muslim and His Creator Allah Almighty as long as a Muslim believes in One True GOD. There is no middle man between a Muslim and His Creator; "It was We Who Created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein. (The Noble Quran, 50:16)"
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 10:22 am
I dont think homosexuality is a sin, but if it is: then I let the following verses be my guide!Allah Almighty forgives pretty much all sins except idol worshiping and trinity beliefs; "Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin most heinous indeed. (The Noble Quran, 4:48)." Therefore, Islam forms the direct relationship between a Muslim and His Creator Allah Almighty as long as a Muslim believes in One True GOD. There is no middle man between a Muslim and His Creator; "It was We Who Created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein. (The Noble Quran, 50:16)"
Feminism Under Veil
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 10:18 am
I have no proof that the Quran has not been changed. Maybe it has, but I place my faith in Allah promise to guard it.
Feminism Under Veil
There are some verses about Qaum e Loot, but they refer to the homosexual rape which like heterosexual rape is reprehensible!
And no, The Quran does not follow the same chain of narration as the Hadith!
you are sorely mistaken!
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 10:13 am
There is no surah about Homosexuals.There are some verses about Qaum e Loot, but they refer to the homosexual rape which like heterosexual rape is reprehensible!
And no, The Quran does not follow the same chain of narration as the Hadith!
you are sorely mistaken!
Feminism Under Veil
If hijab had been worn, the poor child Aqsa would have been alive!
So hijab protects you not only from sexual violence but also murder!
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 09:55 am
Perhaps the author should point out one more benefit of the WONDERFUL Hijab!If hijab had been worn, the poor child Aqsa would have been alive!
So hijab protects you not only from sexual violence but also murder!
Feminism Under Veil
Thank you for correcting my misunderstanding. If you hadnt, any logical person would have inferred the same. Until and unless you say clarify something, I have no way of knowing what you exactly mean or dont mean.
My comprehension is just fine, perhaps your way of presenting it is suspect!
If you would have been clearer in what you said, perhaps we could have avoided this misunderstanding.
Although you did call Hijab a Law!
Lady, you are talking from two corners of your mouth.
When you suddenly mutate a choice into a law, all those women who do not follow that choice are suddenly what? I would suspect: Breakers of Law, hence, Not great followers of that Law like yourself.
Although, I do understand where you are coming from. I actually do. I apologize for my harsh words in previous posts.
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 09:48 am
Dear Miss Riaz,Thank you for correcting my misunderstanding. If you hadnt, any logical person would have inferred the same. Until and unless you say clarify something, I have no way of knowing what you exactly mean or dont mean.
My comprehension is just fine, perhaps your way of presenting it is suspect!
If you would have been clearer in what you said, perhaps we could have avoided this misunderstanding.
Although you did call Hijab a Law!
Lady, you are talking from two corners of your mouth.
When you suddenly mutate a choice into a law, all those women who do not follow that choice are suddenly what? I would suspect: Breakers of Law, hence, Not great followers of that Law like yourself.
Although, I do understand where you are coming from. I actually do. I apologize for my harsh words in previous posts.
Feminism Under Veil
I think you didnt understand my answer. I have answered it satisfactorily in the previous post. We, Muslims choose to believe in the Quran and its infallibility is because of God's promise.
There is no compulsion in religion, and we choose to place our faith in Allah. We choose to believe what we believe.
The greatest rift in Islam that of between Shia and Sunni is because of only one hadith. The Shia t Ali believed it, the Sunnis did not! But each is as much Muslim as the other. Just like a woman wearing hijab is as much muslim as the one that chooses not to.
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 09:42 am
Actually the Quran was compiled during the reign of the Third Rightly guided Caliph Uthman Ghani, in its present format. I think you didnt understand my answer. I have answered it satisfactorily in the previous post. We, Muslims choose to believe in the Quran and its infallibility is because of God's promise.
There is no compulsion in religion, and we choose to place our faith in Allah. We choose to believe what we believe.
The greatest rift in Islam that of between Shia and Sunni is because of only one hadith. The Shia t Ali believed it, the Sunnis did not! But each is as much Muslim as the other. Just like a woman wearing hijab is as much muslim as the one that chooses not to.
Feminism Under Veil
"Verily, we have sent down the Reminder, and, verily, we will guard it. Q15:9"
"Falsehood shall not come to it, from before it, nor from behind it - a revelation from the wise, the praiseworthy One". Q41:42
"Do they not meditate on the Qur'ran? if it were from other than God they would find in it many a discrepancy". Q4:82
Allah makes no such promises about the Hadith!
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 09:31 am
The only reason we accept the Quran an unadulterated is because we choose to place our faith in Allah. And if Allah says that He/she alone will protect the Quran."Verily, we have sent down the Reminder, and, verily, we will guard it. Q15:9"
"Falsehood shall not come to it, from before it, nor from behind it - a revelation from the wise, the praiseworthy One". Q41:42
"Do they not meditate on the Qur'ran? if it were from other than God they would find in it many a discrepancy". Q4:82
Allah makes no such promises about the Hadith!
Feminism Under Veil
You insult my family and me, and then end it with, with all due respect ofcourse!
Your standards of respect certainly confound my sensibilities, but hey thats you. What can I say!
The only thing that women who wear hijab have on their side is their choice to do so! I recognize only one scripture called the Quran, and where does Quran tell you to wear the hijab like that stupid scarf wound tightly around your head and neck?
Please do find me the exact Ayah where the Quran, "The only divinely revealed Islamic Scripture" says that Hijab is mandatory for women? and a law?
And if so, does the Quran define Hijab and say what it is, andhow big the piece of cloth should be,and how it should be worn?
Please dont tell me of any hadith, I only want proof from the Quran.
Posted by
ShoreSahib
Dec 17, 2007 09:24 am
And one more thing, Mr. Abu Safwaan,You insult my family and me, and then end it with, with all due respect ofcourse!
Your standards of respect certainly confound my sensibilities, but hey thats you. What can I say!
The only thing that women who wear hijab have on their side is their choice to do so! I recognize only one scripture called the Quran, and where does Quran tell you to wear the hijab like that stupid scarf wound tightly around your head and neck?
Please do find me the exact Ayah where the Quran, "The only divinely revealed Islamic Scripture" says that Hijab is mandatory for women? and a law?
And if so, does the Quran define Hijab and say what it is, andhow big the piece of cloth should be,and how it should be worn?
Please dont tell me of any hadith, I only want proof from the Quran.
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