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The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation
Posted by zarrar2 Jun 23, 2008 03:44 am
Baig Sahib,

Good article. You had pointed out the "human Frailties" of Abraham, father of the trilogy, but you fail to mention frailties in character of Muhammad and Moses as well as Jesus. And also the fact that all the holy scriptures were in actual fact completely compiled years after the death of their respective "Messenger". Muhammad had put in a self promotion mechanism in his religion which allowed for self praise and banishment in case of "Muhammad-bashing" if you may. For example, Peach Be Upon Him, and numerous other prayers which exemplify his existence to almost divine standards.

Jesus on the other hand had died very young and failed to send his complete message across. He failed to show how, after having visited many buddhist temples, he had discovered the art of meditation and in turn, Nirvana. All these small cults might not have been around if it wasn't for... you guessed it... Violence. The sword... power. Economics. that's how they all spread really.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 10, 2008 08:12 pm
#499
Valid point and one I was about to make earlier. How does one calculate a prayer. Another analogy is this:
If i'm going towards a brick wall at 100mph in my car and I say a prayer (along the lines of "God Save me"), and miraculously, Force = mass*accleraton+G(God's Constant) and i'm saved. Then the arguement is that God might only cater to some prayers, cherry picking his way thorugh them daily. If that is the case, why bother praying since your chances are about 50/50 anyways. Believers may argue, try your best and leave the rest to God. Therefore, once in a while, when circumstance does do people a favor, they think its divine intervention.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 9, 2008 10:48 pm
Zee,

I am not an expert on greyhounds but I can say this:
Dogs are an ideal example of evolution that Humans have witnessed within their existence. Domesticated dogs have been bred by humans and are a result of human intervention in nature. The greyhound or the bulldog might never have been in existence if it weren't for human intervention. Over the past thousands of years, humans have domesticated wild dogs like the wolf and have bred the ones that have commnon behaviors and traits. Rumor has it that Hitler manifested the Rotwoiller (excuse spelling) breed. Each breed has distinct traits and are "pure bred" only if they result from mating within its pedegree. For example, my labrador has similar traits to all other labradors because for hundreds of years the labrador has been bred within its kind and will differ from its common cousin the golden retreiver by very little. therefore it is not surprising that greyhounds have distinct traits from other breeds.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 9, 2008 10:09 pm
It is ironic that hindus and muslims fight on this platform considering they are both from common ancestors dating not that far back. Homosapiens of the indo-pak race have been in the same environmental strata for centuries prior to the invasion of Muslims who convinced some that they are superior to Hindus if they believe in Islam. It was this that caused the British to take advantage of our region and make these same idiots think that they are totally different species and deserve seperate countries. You are all from the same race people.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 9, 2008 09:37 pm
you both are correct. I will explain.
Zee Sahib, cockroaches have not changed much in millions of years simply because nature allowed them to exist in their current state. The environmental changes have not affect them therefore similar genes have been perpetuating in their species. It is the same with the amoeba (single celled organism) and the whale. These creatures have been around for centuries because their mechanisms are sufficient enough to survive. However, some blue whales are becoming extinct and therefore are not sufficient enough. Humans have only been around for around 100,000 years which is a pinhead's width on the scale of 6 billion years when the first molecular life sprung on this planet.

NKG#416: you too are right. Multicelled organisms take longer in the evolutionary path because several gene combinations have to survive. Therefore it took millions of years for reptiles to develop feathers and finally resemble what we noe call birds. What takes bacteria hours and days, it takes other organisms millions of years.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 9, 2008 08:48 pm
Amongst the riff raff I would like to answer a question raised earlier.
For those who do not yet believe in natural selection, you should know that any vaccinations you take epitomizes natural selection. Viruses evolves by the hour and need to be contained. The reason why you take flu shots every year is because the virus evolves. The process is simple.
Example: if you have a plain field of cotton crop, you spray it once with a pesticide X. The pesticide X kills 99% of the weed but 1% is immune. That 1% will reproduce and eventually spread its offspring all over the field. It has been a few months and you try spraying X again but it fails. Reason being, the weed has "evovled". Now you spray pesticide Y and again 99% of the weed is dead. So on and so forth, you will be left with a population of weed that is immune to Pesticides X, Y, and Z and would have to look for other alternatives. By the end of the year the weed you have in the field is almost a different species than the original weed. Now imagine this over 6 billion years.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 9, 2008 01:41 am
It is hard for him to fathom that our very beginnings sprout from common ancestors of other monkeys. Doesn't necessarily mean we are monkeys (although some people make me think we are well far from evolving into an intellectual species).
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 9, 2008 01:37 am
Zee Sahib,

Honest question, please don't be offended. Did you attend college?
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 9, 2008 12:02 am
I would rather consider myself an Apostle rather than an Apostate. but thanks for the compliment.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 8, 2008 10:10 pm
dear interactors,

The purpose of my article has totally been deceived sadly. Didn't mean for a Hindu Muslim, atheist brawl. You are all wrong sadly. The purpose was to show the importance of natural selection, which despite being a fact, is not yet totally accepted by many. If you keep comparing natural selection to a bunch of fables some beduoins wrote sitting around a fire centuries ago, you will not get anywhere.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 7, 2008 11:14 pm
Zee bhai

i will quote:

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 7, 2008 10:32 pm
Dear Sir,

I am trying to show you one thing whilst you are attacking my personal belief in a biblical spirit. The point of the article is to make apparent the FACT of natural selection and how it just as essential a subject as mathematics and history. If you want me to admit that i am a secular humanist then, yes. I hope this makes you happier. I am not misleading anyone that hasn't been misled already.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 7, 2008 08:55 pm
Viqram.

I understand where your confusion lies. I at first thought the same things. Firstly you would have to take everything you have learnt about our existence as a child and throw it out the window... start fresh. LAter if you feel comfortable you can go back to believing what you did. The primeval soup as DashDot put it, is a combination of carbon based compounds and various elements which spawned molecular dependencies in the form of replication. Something like salt crystals when water is added to them. Now if you think they are not alive or living. Slowly but surely over thousands of years, the replication developed inconsistencies and the out of place offspring then spawned more of its kind. This is origins of life. A single cell organism which replicated itself. Scientists believe that surely this organism (like the amoeba) lived in water.
Your second question is about nature. Nature is air, water, fire, wind, etc. It has no pattern as such and no plan. It can be sunny one day and the next it will be raining. Both days thousands of species will face hardships and some will exceed whilst some won't. Maybe it rains and you catch a flu which will kill you. It is all without a plan. If you think there is a plan, I assure you someone will be able to deceive the plan easily. If something is deceived easily it doesn't exist.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 7, 2008 08:27 pm
#90
TahirQazi.
Would love to elaborate. The Quran does have references which many Muslims claim to be early messages from God claiming to create man via evolution. What I take from it, and may moderates agree, that the Quran is allegorical. It does not necessarily mean everything literally. It is written in prose and is a poem. Therefore, many words are metaphors for other aspects such as Adam (means every man), Maryam (the unmarried as opposed to virgin), and Iblees (wrapped in grief).
As per your first question, natural selection is the correct term used in science to describe the origin of species. evolution could be used to describe adaptation also, which in some cases natural selection is not. ie. i can evolve into a fine singer if i keep practicing. Just a play on words really. But you should read a book on evolutionary biology and your concepts will be clearer.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 7, 2008 02:09 am
Ahmed Sahib,

You are right. Cows will eventually turn into rocket scientists before i end up convincing you. Therefore, i can only say that the concept of God was developed via stern and blind belief by humans. It is therefore a belief and not a physical element that one can see or hear or prove. Hence it is, in the realm of science, in the same disregard as the Tooth Fairy. One can not, no matter how hard one tries, disprove the existence of the Tooth fairy... "concept" un testable in the lab. If God's psyche is one we can not fathom, how do we know he exists? Did he tell a friend that knows a friend? Did he produce manuscripts and pass them on? Or maybe he created the heavens and earth, created Adam and Eve (only a few thousand years ago according to the Quran) and said, "So be it... Now i'm off!"

Again, like Mr. Majumdar, I suggest you should read up on natural selection without comparing it to religion all the time. Once you have compelted your thorough research on how the concept works. Then you can judge religious fundamentals correctly. Before then, excuse my language, but you are merely pissing in the wind.
The Importance of Natural Selection
Posted by zarrar2 Apr 7, 2008 01:51 am
Majumdar,

Again, sir, your concepts are not clear. You keep comparing to religion. I know it is a hard concept to learn. Took me ages because I kept comparing to religious decree. It is like trying to learn Quantum Mechanics without a Quantum Mechanics book. I suggest highly, that you read up on it or take a class in evolutionary biology.
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