Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad Re: # 466

Sattar2, it is abundantly evident from your post that as usual you, and the followers of Mirza at large, have no logical justification for his self-proclaimed prophethood. Typically, instead of addressing the questions posted against your assertions earlier, you are trying to create vain circular arguments on separate tangents.

1st Circle
Quran in fact does suggest the end of prophets at Muhammad (PBUH). Read the Quran again, without the Mirza glasses and ye shall see the verses. And instead of asking me to direct you to these, try and answer the questions I've posted to you.

For argument's sake, let's just assume for a second that even if there wasn't any such suggestion in the Quran, your Mirza did not qualify as the next prophet, let alone be the one like Issa bin Maryam (PBUH). Once again you have proven it by evading the questions I posted to you.

2nd Circle
You can try this Zionist trick to pitch two Muslims in an argument against each other and slip away when Mirza's falsehood is being further exposed, but insha-Allah it will never work as it never has.

There is nothing for me to argue with Mr. Tahir and/or Zee. Issa's (PBUH) descent from the cloud in my question was to highlight your sarcasm at mainstream Muslim belief. Whether he (PBUH) descends from the clouds or not is irrelevant here, albeit just as possible (if not more) as his (PBUH) miraculous birth. Allah has ensured his (PBUH) safe return, any way that may be.

You should think about the word "Zionist" above, though. Prior to Mirza, Jews were the only religious group that believe Issa bin Maryam (PBUH) was dead and could not return. We all know why they believe so. Evidently he subscribed to this view than the one in Quran and Sunnah, thus follows their antics against mainstream Muslims as you have attempted. Considering the above, your cult will be better off declaring yourselves mainstream Jewish Zionists. I'm sure the Christian Zionists will not accept your point of view on this matter either.

Good luck running the two circles alone inside your head.

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Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad Re: # 424

Dear akcheema, you're entitled to your impressions. Nevertheless, Islam nahi Musalmaan khatray mein hai. Just as wars declared on him are attempts to subjugate him in this world, cartoons and Rushdies are attempts to weaken his faith so he has nothing good to look forward to in the hereafter. Other than that, Allah, His Prophets (peace be upon them), and Quran remain intact.

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Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad Re: # 416

Dear Eklavya, whether Muslims remain or not, nothing can destroy Islam. Period. It's Allah's from day one when He created everything. Therefore, the 'open question' is not a question.

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Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad Re: # 404

Dear ayeshaN. The Marmaduke Pickthall’s translation I’ve read is similar to what you have quoted here. However, you seem to have either missed my question or misinterpreted the verse.

I had requested Sattar2 for the verse where Allah Promises to raise more prophets after Muhammad (SAW). Whereas, in this verse Allah Promises to reward the people who obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad PBUH) by keeping them in the best company (of the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous) in the hereafter.

The point is not whether Allah can send more prophets or not; it is whether He has promised to raise more after Muhammad (PBUH) or not.

Thanks anyway!

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Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad Re: # 191

Dear Sattar, you said..."Consistent with this practice, Allah Almighty will continue to raise prophets to warn and to remind people as needed … and to bring them back to message of Quran as they go astray."

On the same note: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) foretold appearance of a prophet among Muslims … and referred to this prophet as Issa-ibne-Marriam. The metaphor underscores the spiritual resemblance between Issa-ibne-Marriam and this prophet who will appear among Muslims."

Could you please point me to a verse in the Quran whereby Allah will continue to raise prophets after Muhammad (SAW)?

No problem if you can't ... because I know there is no such verse. The next questions are more important, though, and I would appreciate honest replies if you can muster any:

In the hadith you have quoted, why do you think Muhammad (SAW) likened the new prophet to Issa (AS) and not any other prophet who was not given a Book?

Surely, you agree that there have been many like him (Issa AS) in this context. The only thing that was different about Issa (AS), and I'm sure you also agree, was that no man had anything to do with his conception ... (may Allah forgive me if the following terms appear disrespectful) by Allah's miracle he (AS) was (for lack of a better term) asexually reproduced by Mariam (AS). Therefore, logically the metaphoric reference would mean the new prophet will be a fatherless person as was Issa (AS).

What happens to Mirza's credibility in this context?

Moreover, you need to rethink, if you have already thought about it before:

If Allah can have Mariam (AS) conceive Issa (AS) without any man, then
1. why can't Allah raise Issa (AS) to the heavens alive?
2. similarly, why do you think Allah can't / won't have Issa (AS) descend from the 'clouds'?

Last but not least, there is another hadith by Muhammad (SAW) you should study that involves Issa (AS). In the hadith Muhammad (PBUH) has predicted that Issa (AS) is the only one who will defeat/slay the Dajjal.

Again, it is clear that Mirza was not the one Muhammad (PBUH) predicted, as Mirza is no more even before dajjal's appearance.

I'm sorry, but any way you cut it Mirza's credentials simply don't measure up. Still, you can continue to suppress your logic and common sense and hope that Mirza will own your ilk on the Day as you own him today.

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Imran Khan the Politician Re: # 178 majumdar

But, he`d tell you to ``take a hike`` if you wished that for the ``Biharis`` stranded in BD.

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Imran Khan the Politician Re: # 159 tahmed

Oh just dandy, Alhumdolillah! Enjoying your silent comedy

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Ooops...I almost forgot....while you`re apologizing...naaaaaaahhhhh.........your apology is not going to do anything. You`re parents are the ones who need to apologize to all of us here.

Speculation on the Life Hereafter Re: # 15 Abee

The simple fact of ``life n death``, even recognized by the evolutionists and/or atheists, is that these cannot be characterized/described/discussed without each other.

Logically, albeit contrary to secular beliefs, these are simply different states of one`s existence. Otherwise, if existence is limited to the state called `life`, then such an existence makes no sense and renders the concepts like justice, peace, morality, compassion, etc, meaningless.

That`s what I was trying to get going on this board. Apparently some ``men`` freak out at the mere mention of the ``D`` word, as you`ve observed.

Anyway, I`d be interested in your thoughts, especially if you`re a physician.

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India, Pakistan and the Kashmir dispute Re: # 414 tahmed

Thank you for the advice. Meanwhile, perhaps you should research and reflect on the following:

51:56

``I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.``

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India, Pakistan and the Kashmir dispute Re: # 413 FoolAl

WOW! How come no one told me that? Look how embarrassed I am now.

BTW, you forgot to mention the exponential growth rate of AIDS, Prostitution, homelessness, disenfranchised lower castes, so on and so forth?

The Pakistani hypocrite PM and his cabal throws such numbers at the illiterate masses too. Keep the numbers in your pockets. The don`t mean much if the masses continue to slide deeper in destitution.

Kargil....that`s the difference b/w Hindu fundos and jihadis. That latter never gives up, even if his own stab him in the back. Rest assured, all that is going to be part of the Islamic state collectively.

``This is the kind of ``victory`` I am willing to give to Pakis like you everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.``

That`s right, that`s why one of your generals was quoted as saying `our men were dying like dogs`.....lol

``You don`t want the Pakistan Army taking you out a la Bajaur now do you?``

Death only frightens pig-tailed banya, not the jihadi.

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India, Pakistan and the Kashmir dispute Re: # 412 arjun2

wouldn`t the curious cat like know?

Soon son, soon.

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Imran Khan the Politician Re: # 154 ranjit

ROTFL

Uncle T,

I think Animal Planet, or Monkey Planet to be precise, is a good place for you to find some friends.

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Imran Khan the Politician Re: # 139 Naqshbandi

Please don`t forget to say `rahim Allah` when you mention ``Shaykh Sadi``. With such writings, he definitely needs that prayer.

BTW, thank you for your great work of exposing the current form of sufism. I`m sure with this excerpt you have Uncle T searching his undies for his ``T``s.

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Imran Khan the Politician Re: # 111 hamidm2

``........ i know it is politically incorrect to say these things but denial is not a river in egypt ..........``

LOL... but there is one river by that name in the sub-continent. Judging from the responses to your post, Uncle T and his Hindu counterparts were delivered in its undercurrents.

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Imran Khan the Politician Re: # 116 tahmed32

``What struck me was that the people looked smarter than they did 18years back. I realized that during this time, Indonesia had grown rapidly and the population had eaten better.``

With all due respect to the Indonesians` improvement, I`ll bet my money on the probability of Uncle T`s regression.

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Imran Khan the Politician Re: # 109 tahmed32

``hamidm: I can understand you getting down on your knees in order to see mr. salim eye to eye. but do you have to start talking his gibberish as well? i mean, what is this about ``white skin`` and salim trying to improve his bihari genes and what not??``

shame on you hamidm...you`ve confused Uncle T`s confusion.

LOL

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