Getting Hooked
Posted by
Mike
Jul 17, 2005 08:24 am
*burp*
Being Imrana
Actually there is this really hot chick in my class who just happens to have a muslim name (completely westernised).....although its too early to contemplate `marriage` , there are other things I intend to do to her in the forthcoming semester.. ;-)
Posted by
Mike
Jul 17, 2005 03:31 am
Re: # 254 ,Actually there is this really hot chick in my class who just happens to have a muslim name (completely westernised).....although its too early to contemplate `marriage` , there are other things I intend to do to her in the forthcoming semester.. ;-)
Being Imrana
Why only hinduism ? Same applies to every single religion.
Posted by
Mike
Jul 17, 2005 03:27 am
``I`ve come to believe that there is nothing completely ``sacred`` /``holy`` and ``unquestionable`` in either Hinduism or its mythologies..``Why only hinduism ? Same applies to every single religion.
Being Imrana
Posted by
Mike
Jul 17, 2005 02:45 am
southasian...when I said `dalit eat shit` , I specifically meant this anonymous poster who goes by the name of `dalit`. I have nothing against `lower caste` hindus. Infact my uncle is married to a dalit woman.
Being Imrana
Posted by
Mike
Jul 17, 2005 12:23 am
dalit eat shit hehehehehe
Being Imrana
Posted by
Mike
Jul 17, 2005 12:18 am
Dalit..hindus are sexy people...not asexual like you and your mommy`s husband...hehehehe
Being Imrana
Posted by
Mike
Jul 17, 2005 12:14 am
Dalit...was your mommy a virgin ? hehehehe...
Project Mumbai Makeover: Casualties of Development
Over the last decade , India`s GDP growth rate p.a. has been second only to that of China`s. India has averaged an economic growth rate of 6% over the last 10 years , while Pakistan`s growth rate in this period was 4%. Last year India grew at 8.5% and this year at 7.5%.
Pakistan claims to have registered an 8.4% growth rate this year - which is doubtful , but even if true it remains to be seen whether this rate can be sustained for any longer.
Also , India has a much bigger economic base than Pakistan...almost 10 times larger....so its easier for a smaller country with a small economic base like Pakistan to register quick GDP growth rates once ot twice. For your information , the fastest growing economy this year is Iraq..whose GDP grew at 50% !!
Posted by
Mike
Jul 17, 2005 12:07 am
Ahmedmadani....you are obviously a nut case. And a semi-literate geriatric.Over the last decade , India`s GDP growth rate p.a. has been second only to that of China`s. India has averaged an economic growth rate of 6% over the last 10 years , while Pakistan`s growth rate in this period was 4%. Last year India grew at 8.5% and this year at 7.5%.
Pakistan claims to have registered an 8.4% growth rate this year - which is doubtful , but even if true it remains to be seen whether this rate can be sustained for any longer.
Also , India has a much bigger economic base than Pakistan...almost 10 times larger....so its easier for a smaller country with a small economic base like Pakistan to register quick GDP growth rates once ot twice. For your information , the fastest growing economy this year is Iraq..whose GDP grew at 50% !!
Being Imrana
Posted by
Mike
Jul 16, 2005 12:48 pm
hehehehe...dalit....hehehehehe....
Being Imrana
A Poverty of Dignity and a Wealth of Rage
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: July 15, 2005
A few years ago I was visiting Bahrain and sitting with friends in a fish restaurant when news appeared on an overhead TV about Muslim terrorists, men and women, who had taken hostages in Russia. What struck me, though, was the instinctive reaction of the Bahraini businessman sitting next to me, who muttered under his breath, ``Why are we in every story?`` The ``we`` in question was Muslims.
The answer to that question is one of the most important issues in geopolitics today: Why are young Sunni Muslim males, from London to Riyadh and Bali to Baghdad, so willing to blow up themselves and others in the name of their religion? Of course, not all Muslims are suicide bombers; it would be ludicrous to suggest that.
But virtually all suicide bombers, of late, have been Sunni Muslims. There are a lot of angry people in the world. Angry Mexicans. Angry Africans. Angry Norwegians. But the only ones who seem to feel entitled and motivated to kill themselves and totally innocent people, including other Muslims, over their anger are young Sunni radicals. What is going on?
Neither we nor the Muslim world can run away from this question any longer. This is especially true when it comes to people like Muhammad Bouyeri - a Dutch citizen of Moroccan origin who last year tracked down the Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, a critic of Islamic intolerance, on an Amsterdam street, shot him 15 times and slit his throat with a butcher knife. He told a Dutch court on the final day of his trial on Tuesday: ``I take complete responsibility for my actions. I acted purely in the name of my religion.``
Clearly, several things are at work. One is that Europe is not a melting pot and has never adequately integrated its Muslim minorities, who, as The Financial Times put it, often find themselves ``cut off from their country, language and culture of origin`` without being assimilated into Europe, making them easy prey for peddlers of a new jihadist identity.
Also at work is Sunni Islam`s struggle with modernity. Islam has a long tradition of tolerating other religions, but only on the basis of the supremacy of Islam, not equality with Islam. Islam`s self-identity is that it is the authentic and ideal expression of monotheism. Muslims are raised with the view that Islam is God 3.0, Christianity is God 2.0, Judaism is God 1.0, and Hinduism is God 0.0.
Part of what seems to be going on with these young Muslim males is that they are, on the one hand, tempted by Western society, and ashamed of being tempted. On the other hand, they are humiliated by Western society because while Sunni Islamic civilization is supposed to be superior, its decision to ban the reform and reinterpretation of Islam since the 12th century has choked the spirit of innovation out of Muslim lands, and left the Islamic world less powerful, less economically developed, less technically advanced than God 2.0, 1.0 and 0.0.
``Some of these young Muslim men are tempted by a civilization they consider morally inferior, and they are humiliated by the fact that, while having been taught their faith is supreme, other civilizations seem to be doing much better,`` said Raymond Stock, the Cairo-based biographer and translator of Naguib Mahfouz. ``When the inner conflict becomes too great, some are turned by recruiters to seek the sick prestige of `martyrdom` by fighting the allegedly unjust occupation of Muslim lands and the `decadence` in our own.``
This is not about the poverty of money. This is about the poverty of dignity and the rage it can trigger.
One of the London bombers was married, with a young child and another on the way. I can understand, but never accept, suicide bombing in Iraq or Israel as part of a nationalist struggle. But when a British Muslim citizen, nurtured by that society, just indiscriminately blows up his neighbors and leaves behind a baby and pregnant wife, to me he has to be in the grip of a dangerous cult or preacher - dangerous to his faith community and to the world.
How does that happen? Britain`s Independent newspaper described one of the bombers, Hasib Hussain, as having recently undergone a sudden conversion ``from a British Asian who dressed in Western clothes to a religious teenager who wore Islamic garb and only stopped to say salaam to fellow Muslims.``
The secret of this story is in that conversion - and so is the crisis in Islam. The people and ideas that brought about that sudden conversion of Hasib Hussain and his pals - if not stopped by other Muslims - will end up converting every Muslim into a suspect and one of the world`s great religions into a cult of death.
Posted by
Mike
Jul 15, 2005 04:54 pm
Here is the full article >>A Poverty of Dignity and a Wealth of Rage
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: July 15, 2005
A few years ago I was visiting Bahrain and sitting with friends in a fish restaurant when news appeared on an overhead TV about Muslim terrorists, men and women, who had taken hostages in Russia. What struck me, though, was the instinctive reaction of the Bahraini businessman sitting next to me, who muttered under his breath, ``Why are we in every story?`` The ``we`` in question was Muslims.
The answer to that question is one of the most important issues in geopolitics today: Why are young Sunni Muslim males, from London to Riyadh and Bali to Baghdad, so willing to blow up themselves and others in the name of their religion? Of course, not all Muslims are suicide bombers; it would be ludicrous to suggest that.
But virtually all suicide bombers, of late, have been Sunni Muslims. There are a lot of angry people in the world. Angry Mexicans. Angry Africans. Angry Norwegians. But the only ones who seem to feel entitled and motivated to kill themselves and totally innocent people, including other Muslims, over their anger are young Sunni radicals. What is going on?
Neither we nor the Muslim world can run away from this question any longer. This is especially true when it comes to people like Muhammad Bouyeri - a Dutch citizen of Moroccan origin who last year tracked down the Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, a critic of Islamic intolerance, on an Amsterdam street, shot him 15 times and slit his throat with a butcher knife. He told a Dutch court on the final day of his trial on Tuesday: ``I take complete responsibility for my actions. I acted purely in the name of my religion.``
Clearly, several things are at work. One is that Europe is not a melting pot and has never adequately integrated its Muslim minorities, who, as The Financial Times put it, often find themselves ``cut off from their country, language and culture of origin`` without being assimilated into Europe, making them easy prey for peddlers of a new jihadist identity.
Also at work is Sunni Islam`s struggle with modernity. Islam has a long tradition of tolerating other religions, but only on the basis of the supremacy of Islam, not equality with Islam. Islam`s self-identity is that it is the authentic and ideal expression of monotheism. Muslims are raised with the view that Islam is God 3.0, Christianity is God 2.0, Judaism is God 1.0, and Hinduism is God 0.0.
Part of what seems to be going on with these young Muslim males is that they are, on the one hand, tempted by Western society, and ashamed of being tempted. On the other hand, they are humiliated by Western society because while Sunni Islamic civilization is supposed to be superior, its decision to ban the reform and reinterpretation of Islam since the 12th century has choked the spirit of innovation out of Muslim lands, and left the Islamic world less powerful, less economically developed, less technically advanced than God 2.0, 1.0 and 0.0.
``Some of these young Muslim men are tempted by a civilization they consider morally inferior, and they are humiliated by the fact that, while having been taught their faith is supreme, other civilizations seem to be doing much better,`` said Raymond Stock, the Cairo-based biographer and translator of Naguib Mahfouz. ``When the inner conflict becomes too great, some are turned by recruiters to seek the sick prestige of `martyrdom` by fighting the allegedly unjust occupation of Muslim lands and the `decadence` in our own.``
This is not about the poverty of money. This is about the poverty of dignity and the rage it can trigger.
One of the London bombers was married, with a young child and another on the way. I can understand, but never accept, suicide bombing in Iraq or Israel as part of a nationalist struggle. But when a British Muslim citizen, nurtured by that society, just indiscriminately blows up his neighbors and leaves behind a baby and pregnant wife, to me he has to be in the grip of a dangerous cult or preacher - dangerous to his faith community and to the world.
How does that happen? Britain`s Independent newspaper described one of the bombers, Hasib Hussain, as having recently undergone a sudden conversion ``from a British Asian who dressed in Western clothes to a religious teenager who wore Islamic garb and only stopped to say salaam to fellow Muslims.``
The secret of this story is in that conversion - and so is the crisis in Islam. The people and ideas that brought about that sudden conversion of Hasib Hussain and his pals - if not stopped by other Muslims - will end up converting every Muslim into a suspect and one of the world`s great religions into a cult of death.
Being Imrana
Islam has a long tradition of tolerating other religions, but only on the basis of the supremacy of Islam, not equality with Islam. Islam`s self-identity is that it is the authentic and ideal expression of monotheism. Muslims are raised with the view that Islam is God 3.0, Christianity is God 2.0, Judaism is God 1.0, and Hinduism is God 0.0.
Part of what seems to be going on with these young Muslim males is that they are, on the one hand, tempted by Western society, and ashamed of being tempted. On the other hand, they are humiliated by Western society because while Sunni Islamic civilization is supposed to be superior, its decision to ban the reform and reinterpretation of Islam since the 12th century has choked the spirit of innovation out of Muslim lands, and left the Islamic world less powerful, less economically developed, less technically advanced than God 2.0, 1.0 and 0.0.
Posted by
Mike
Jul 15, 2005 04:11 pm
Tom Friedman writes in NYT >>Islam has a long tradition of tolerating other religions, but only on the basis of the supremacy of Islam, not equality with Islam. Islam`s self-identity is that it is the authentic and ideal expression of monotheism. Muslims are raised with the view that Islam is God 3.0, Christianity is God 2.0, Judaism is God 1.0, and Hinduism is God 0.0.
Part of what seems to be going on with these young Muslim males is that they are, on the one hand, tempted by Western society, and ashamed of being tempted. On the other hand, they are humiliated by Western society because while Sunni Islamic civilization is supposed to be superior, its decision to ban the reform and reinterpretation of Islam since the 12th century has choked the spirit of innovation out of Muslim lands, and left the Islamic world less powerful, less economically developed, less technically advanced than God 2.0, 1.0 and 0.0.
Being Imrana
Why are muslims so hated , Romair ? Or is it your opinion that only certain anonymous internet nicks with Indian sounding names hate muslims ? Think about it.
Posted by
Mike
Jul 15, 2005 03:51 pm
Romair , why does it bother you so much that a couple of anonymous internet nicks with Indian sounding names are abusing your `religion` , when the entire populations of USA and Europe are doing the same...not just in internet chats...but in real life too....Why are muslims so hated , Romair ? Or is it your opinion that only certain anonymous internet nicks with Indian sounding names hate muslims ? Think about it.
Being Imrana
Hey Romair..those words were mine. But why do you think those words were abusive ? Was it not a fact that your man Mohammad (P be upon him , of course) was 55 years old when he married a 6 year old child called Ayesha ? What does that make him ?
Also...it does not behove chutiyas like you to talk of `courage`...reflect on that.
Posted by
Mike
Jul 15, 2005 03:44 pm
``your pedophile prophet (P be upon him)........``Hey Romair..those words were mine. But why do you think those words were abusive ? Was it not a fact that your man Mohammad (P be upon him , of course) was 55 years old when he married a 6 year old child called Ayesha ? What does that make him ?
Also...it does not behove chutiyas like you to talk of `courage`...reflect on that.
Being Imrana
Posted by
Mike
Jul 15, 2005 01:39 pm
Dalit..wow man , I`m shocked !! Now what about the 100,000 Kashmiri muslim women raped by the Indian Army ? And the killing of 200,000 Kashmiri muslims ? Post some articles on that most important issue ...okay...expose the bloody Indian b@#$#% !!!
Being Imrana
Also..some of the people you stupid pakis mistake for horrible hindooos are not even hindus in the first place....Arjun , Alephnull , and that crazy Cayenne/Nikki are actually christians..Roman Catholics if my guess is correct...
Posted by
Mike
Jul 15, 2005 11:49 am
And even horrible hindooo fundoos like myself have nothing against Indian muslims who love India as much as we do...people like than on this website are many - Jawahara , Ballu Khan , Faruk , Zafar Al Talib etc. Also..some of the people you stupid pakis mistake for horrible hindooos are not even hindus in the first place....Arjun , Alephnull , and that crazy Cayenne/Nikki are actually christians..Roman Catholics if my guess is correct...
Being Imrana
Romair Mian...you seem to be blissfully ignorant...obviously the internet revolution has escaped you. Just visit the most popular American intereatctive websites and blogs like littlegreenfootballs , freerepublic , hughhewitt etc. to find out what Americans think of muslims ...and pakis. And trust me...its not pleasant. Even horrible hindoooo hatemongers like Harimau and myself are dhimmis compared to these guys. They hate you `sandniggers` with unmatched passion.
Infact for Indians like me - we just follow the trend from US. Just like my parents` generation followed the trends from UK (where the top universties have a letist slant (even today)) in their time. So if majority of upwardly mobile westernised Indian youth dont like muslims too much , its not because of some `RSS shakkas` which we have never even seen, but because Americans think its cool to hate muslims...
US sets the rules , US sets the trend...we are just happy to tag along ;)
For me personally , I cant thank enough those 19 lunatics who did what they did...because of them , Romair , you Pakis can squeal about `India`s State Terrorism in Kashmir` for as long as you want , but nobody really gives a flying eff...
Posted by
Mike
Jul 15, 2005 11:43 am
`` I have never seen the kind of abuse hurled at Muslims (including Indian Muslims) on any Canadian or US or British website, as I have seen here. ``Romair Mian...you seem to be blissfully ignorant...obviously the internet revolution has escaped you. Just visit the most popular American intereatctive websites and blogs like littlegreenfootballs , freerepublic , hughhewitt etc. to find out what Americans think of muslims ...and pakis. And trust me...its not pleasant. Even horrible hindoooo hatemongers like Harimau and myself are dhimmis compared to these guys. They hate you `sandniggers` with unmatched passion.
Infact for Indians like me - we just follow the trend from US. Just like my parents` generation followed the trends from UK (where the top universties have a letist slant (even today)) in their time. So if majority of upwardly mobile westernised Indian youth dont like muslims too much , its not because of some `RSS shakkas` which we have never even seen, but because Americans think its cool to hate muslims...
US sets the rules , US sets the trend...we are just happy to tag along ;)
For me personally , I cant thank enough those 19 lunatics who did what they did...because of them , Romair , you Pakis can squeal about `India`s State Terrorism in Kashmir` for as long as you want , but nobody really gives a flying eff...
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