Dance of the wolves Re: # 62

Except for the ``again`` part. dont you just love jack Nicholson?. it must have entered my sub-conscious. Good call:)

Dance of the wolves Re: # 48
Wow! you indulge in name calling with so little provocation. With one post of mine you have jumped on the band wagon calling me ``Ttibal arab brainwahsed muslim`` or whatever that means?
The ``paki mullah`` who is fighting in Iraq for the cause of Islam is the real brainwashed one, not me. Again, i am a fairly educated person, but i cant speak intelligently about what delusional version of islam, a ``paki mullah`` in Iraq is fighting for Your line of accusation is tantamount to laying the blame on every white person for the crimes committed during slavery.

You said,`` There has never ever been any semblance of the UTOPIAN, DELUSIONAL ISLAM you are talking about. NEVER.``

Well there was. It was during the times of Prophet (PBUH). I am sure you are going to come back with some puerile refuttion calling him a polygamist pedophile and warring tyrant. And I see very clearly the futility of engaging in a belated forum based conversation with you about a time when neither of us were born.

You said, ``The world knows ISLAM now.``

That you are right about. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/

Its also glaringly obvious you know very little about Islam, Qur`an and the Sunnah, and being as parochial as you are expected to be, you have just hurled insult at our beloved Prophet (pBUH) by calling him a ``delusional tribal arab.`` Who is the bigoted fanatic here?dont worry, i will keep my reserve and not resort to the similar type of belittlement of your religion (whatever that may be).

Dance of the wolves Re: # 29 (singularity)

You have raised some moot points. You seem irate and charged up (too many ALL CAPS, which imply you are YELLING!). If this makes it any easier, i am a muslim, and i am utterly disgusted by the way (muslims) are conducting themselves around the world today. If seems history hasn`t really taught us anything. I recently dabbled into some historical perspective on the wars india fought with pakistan, especially the one in 1971. This one gets the focus because it was a civil war where (pakistani) muslims killed (bengali) muslims. Strangely, they were both muslims. While it was happening, not only did all the muslims countries stay quiet, some even (Jordan and Saudi Arabia) helped West Pakistan. But the cause of the civil war is the reason that irks me the most. It was one group of muslims(punabis) exploiting the other group (bengalis)muslims, because of racial and cultural differences.

Singularity,

The strange thing is ISLAM is a complete way of life where there is NO PLACE FOR NATIONALISM. Qur`an is not antiquated; rather, it`s messages are eternal and universal. And of 1.5 billion muslims who follow this beuatiful religion, only may be 0.000000000001% follow it right. The rest follow the tainted version of islam -so called political islam. It`s the version where you selfishly look out for yourself in the most unislamic way possible, and when the going gets tough, you hide behind the facade of ISLAM. And when that happens, you get genocide, suicide bombers, rape, abolition of rights, abuse of women, violence etc.

I consider myself as a muslim before i am anything else (pakistani, indian, arab) and i am not apologetic for the behaviors of these so-called muslims around the world. In my eyes it was a bunch of Saudis who destroyed the twin tower, Sudanese arabs who are killing muslims in Darfur, Punjabis who are killing blauchis, Palestinian suicide bombers killing civilians, NOT MUSLIMS. And why do i think that way? because that is how they see themselves, ethnicity and race first, islam second.

A Changed Landscape of Kashmir Conflict I have always maintained a very neutral stance on the issue of kashmir. My paucity of knowledge on this matter stands as the primary culprit for this unbiased attitude. I have dabbled into some historical perspective about the issue, and in doing so, i stumbled onto the background over which India and Pakistan fought three wars in the past. I would particularly like to draw attention to the war that occured in 1971, since it was a civil war, when the Pak military junta, in collusion with a few west pakistani politicians, unleashed its army against its own people and ended up losing the eastern wing of the country. To me it`s surprising how Pakistan`s military elites could have managed to remain in power for such a long time after such a colossal blunder in 1971.
The question i have for the educated people in pakistan is that, if you let your own military carve up your own country into two, and with the recent violence in baluchistan, what makes you think the muslims, let alone the Hindus, in kashmir would want to be a part of Pakistan? Do you really care about the kashmiri cause or is the ``real estate`` you are interested in?
On a side note, I dont blame India for the role it played against Pakistan since 1947. If you wanna dance with the devil (indian govt., not the people), like Yahya and Bhutto did in 1971, the devil dont change. The devil changes you.

Muslims Not Married in America my preferences for a wife are in complete unison with my mother`s preferences for a daughter-in-law -- a modest damsel who believes in playing the predetermined traditional role of a wife in accordance with islam, i.e, stay at home, cook, clean, raise and take care of the kids.

Has the idea of marrying one of these ``enlightened,`` open-minded, career-oriented muslimas ever crossed my mind? Yes. Well, my sister is a glaring example of one. But i have decided not to go down that route. Because i believe that Allah (SWT) has blessed the woman with something extraordinary-the gift of being a mother. I have absolutely nothing against women being on equal footing or more with men on everything, but i firmly believe that women have a far more gruelling and important task at hand, i.e., to raise the kids (sorry to admit boys, but Allah (SWT) trusts women more with this important task). If women are capable of juggling both /(work and family), then my hats off to them. Having observed in reality how haw hard it for the modern woman, I have decided to marry a traditional woman. The point of my earlier post was to draw attention to the fact that, in the process, its people like my sister who suffer. They are constrained by the parameters imposed on them (has to marry a muslim, educated, preferably who can communcate in english), while the guys, like myself, can go home and marry these traditional women who are available in abundance :)
I end with my sister`s qoute: ``no matter what society you live in, men always have it easy, even mummy loves you more than she loves me.``

Muslims Not Married in America i hail from a respectable muslim family, and i can tell you firsthand what a double standard our parents play in bringing up desi (especially muslim)* kids in the west. The men are babied by the mothers with the expectation that when they are married, they too can expect similar service from their wives; while the daughters are brought up like any other all-american girl. My father personally encouraged my sister to pursue her dreams and become an engineer, while my mother spoiled me rotten with all her love and care, cleaning up after me. Now, when it`s time for both me and my sister to get married, we are finding it difficult to find the right matches. I am looking for the so-called utopian subservient girl (like my mother), and my sister is looking for the utopian sensitive muslim man who will respect her career and help with the household chores. It`s a snafu.

* i know this happens in all south asian cultures, but i emphasized muslim people, because i think muslims are less likely to marry non-muslims than others. No premediated intention to insult anyone on this forum.

peace

Muslims Not Married in America i hail from a respectable muslim family, and i can tell you firsthand what a double standard our parents play in bringing up desi (especially muslim)* kids in the west. The men are babied by the mothers with the expectation that when they are married, they too can expect similar service from their wives; while the daughters are brought up like any other all-american girl. My father personally encouraged my sister to pursue her dreams and become an engineer, while my mother spoiled me rotten with all her love and care, cleaning up after me. Now, when it`s time for both me and my sister to get married, we are finding it difficult to find the right matches. I am looking for the so-called utopian subservient girl (like my mother), and my sister is looking for the utopian sensitive muslim man who will respect her career and help with the household chores. It`s a snafu.

* i know this happens in all south asian cultures, but i emphasized muslim people, because i think muslims are less likely to marry non-muslims than others. No premediated intention to insult anyone on this forum.

peace