We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Arjun #204,

For an Indian, you are using far too many percentages in your posts. This, as Chaltahai will testify, can be harmful to your sanity and credibility.

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! #174 Posted by _arjun24 on September 25, 2008 3:35:58 am

{"..- won't mention the fact that 50% of pakis in karachi think suicide bombing is justified...

now I'm not going to bring up the fact that 15% of the people in karachi - yup..1.5 milion people - think suicide bombing is justified everywhere.."}


Another brave Indian risking his life and credibility by diving into the world of percentages. If this is not a suicide mission, what is?

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! #167 Posted by pinku on September 24, 2008 11:38:42 pm

{"Too many people, Salim needs some rest now..."}

Pinku Bhai,
... and so do you, my friend. Also, after getting some rest, please return and help us with concrete solutions to the expensive, repressive, and recessive phenomenon we call the military. Thanks.

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! #162 Posted by majumdar on September 24, 2008 11:19:23 pm
Pinku,
{"Salimbhai has never denied his Hindoo roots. He takes pride in the fact that he is descended from Prithiviraj Chauhan."}

re: women treated as second rated citizen like in Arabia (old and current both).

{"Good God, dont tell me that Arabs are also aborting female foetuses en masse!!!"}


Majumdar Bhai,
Would you like to become my manager? You would be very good at dealing with the press and nasty detractors like Pinku and nkg.

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Dear nkg,
Before you and I communicate effectively, I am going to have to ask you to write an article regarding all the Arab slaves that you are constantly whining about. For starters, how did these Arabs become slaves in India and are you sure that you are not referring to Dalits?

After all, the untouchables of India are the only people who come close to being considered slaves in Asia.

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Majumdar #159 {"Being the weaker entity Pak shud have taken resort to ethical rather than military claims."}

Maj Bhai,
In spirit I agree with each of your three points (Wilson had 14, so you have some work to do). LOL

As for #1, Pakistan did take the high road and agreed to the UN Security Council's resolution for conducting a plebiscite. Mr. Nehru, who himself took the matter to the UN, worked diligently to circumvent its resolutions.

You alredy know my opinion of Mr. Jinnah's vision and performance under pressure.

As for the Baramula incident, the organizers of the Lashkars forgot the lesson from the Hashasheen (Assassins) of yesteryear - always make sure the man going on the mission is well fed, his thirst quenched, and his desires serviced BEFORE deployment.

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Harish_Hyd #257 {"Salim yaar, you do realize that the "heads I win, tails you lose" game was started by Jinnah don't you? Jinnah wanted Junagadh which had a Hindu ruler to go to Pakistan by virtue of its majority Muslim population (just like J&K) while at the same time coveting Hyderabad which had a Muslim ruler but majority Hindu population"}

Harry,
I am not a die-hard Jinnah fan. Not only was partition wrong, this great leader had no idea about Indian geography - much like our own dear HP. LOL

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Harish_Hyd #156 {"Pakistan has always taken advantage of Indian misery and India has reciprocated in full measure. "}

Dear Harry,
And we need to change that. :) The rest of the world is laughing and we are still engaged in tearing each other down. I guess divorced couples engage in a different manner than newly weds or those in successful unions. LOL

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Cliftonbridge #195 {"Salim having read alot from other Pakistanis i think we are all in agreement about the amount of crap we are in. I think most of us agree that blame goes all round."}

Cliftonbridge,
My article is not only about spreading blame. I am suggesting a restructuring of the military along a national service model. Nobody has provided any additional insight into this suggestion. Let's focus on the solutions - we are all experts on the issues by now. :)

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Afat #188 {"Roos key khilaf , duniya bhar say " Mujahideen " bulayee gayee , unko meen nazm-e-naskh barqarar rekhnay kay liyee " Al-Qaeeda " banayee gayee ,jo keh tamam ki tamam Arbiyoon key hathey char gayee, Osama Roos say farigh hoo ker , Ahl-e-Saud ko hataney kay chaker meen per gayee, or Amrikiyoon ney apnay dost Osama ki bajayee , jeetay huway ghoray yani Saudiyuoon ka sath deyna ka faisala keyaa, or aik zati jang , Kufr-o-Islam ki jang ban gayee,"}

Ma'shallah Afat Sahib,
Aap ne chand mukhtasir alfaazon men mukammil dastaan bayaan karney ki jurrat farmaai aur woh bhi danishmandi aur kaamyaabi se mulawwaz!

Hummari kaafi kamzorioN meN tarjumaan-e-falsafa-e-haqeeqat nahin shamil he.

Your points are brilliantly expressed and a more adept person needs to make them available to the Urdu-disadvantaged multitudes here. It took me only 45 minutes to fully grasp your masterpiece. Thanks.

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Dear Pinku,
For two days, you have been indoctrinating me about the evils of Islam, the rape and pillage of Hindu women, forced conversions, and the unbelievably cruel torture of clothing semi-naked Hindu women.

Pinku, yaar, this doesn't compoot.

1. If Muslims were such ardent rapists, why would they clothe Hindu women? It seems to me that their semi-nude appearance would be more in conformance with the professed mission.

2. If Muslims were on a rampage of pillage and plunder, why would they deliberately provide clothing to these half-naked women? Wouldn't it be more profitable to rip off whatever little clothing they had in the first place?

3. If the rest of your rhetoric is similarly based in logic, I can understand why we are not communicating properly.

Sincerely,
Salim Chuhan

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Cliftonbridge,
Please allow me to explain my disappointment with your comments regarding this article.

If you were to write an article, let's say something about the need for women to receive equal pay for equal work, I would support you in presenting an important issue that affects not only women, but little men who depend on their mothers' incomes. Now, if I were to say "Yeah Yeah, but you are ignoring the other main issues affecting women such as breast cancer, domestic violence, and sexual exploitation, you too would be dissapointed. I think you get my point. Thanks.
Salim Chauhan

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! cliftonbridge #187 {"So based on modi's re-election would you say at least 50% of gujratis believed state sponsored ethnic cleansing was justified? ..your answer to all the above qu's is "please avoid bringing Modi issue" .... lol...arjun tells us DeNile is not just a river in Egypt.
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Cliftonbridge,
This was effective. Good to see you back! :)

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Dear HP Sahib,
I don't know why I am arguing with you. When you are not distracted by the need to score personal points or make jabs at Urdu-speakers from Karachi, you demonstrate occasional bouts of both brilliance and logic. I am going to allow you to debate yourself by jogging your memory with the following posts from your more rational side - please let me know which HP wins the debate:

From: Hotel Babylon: The Marriot Hotel Explosion

Posted by HP Sep 21, 2008 03:28 pm

A second attempt of this magnitude would actually bring the Zardari's government down and if something like this happens the people in Pindi should just start walking over the President House, the army House, the Parliament and the prime Minister house. People in Pakistan are so fed up that they should commit a mass suicide to stop the litany of nonsense by some major fukups leading the army and the country.

The US can be present in FATA with cooperation from the Pakistan army. After all Pakistan has never said no to providing bases to the US.


Emerging Pakistan-U.S. relations

Posted by HP Sep 20, 2008 03:31 pm

Initially, it was good to use the Pak army agents as alqaeeda or Taliban in the area to maintain the occupation but now I think it is beyond the Pak army and the ISI. They have lost control and that worries the US.

Emerging Pakistan-U.S. relations

Posted by HP Sep 20, 2008 02:17 pm

Alqaeeda is a hoax but there is no doubt that Taliban are a reality. They are supported by the people in FATA. I think some of us get caught up in the conspiracy theories too. The US does not have enough army to fight these folks in FATA and that is why they are pressing Pakistan to help out.

For the last six years the US paid every single dollar spent on the 100,000 Pakistani army posted in the tribal areas but results are not encouraging.

posted this on Pavo ilog but it is appropriate to post it here too.(RE:Gen Aziz's article Pavo posted.)

So first he establishes his credibility by calling OBL search a hoax. A conclusion that many analyst before have mentioned-including Yours truly- on many occasions.
But really the thrust of the article is to redeem the army and I think it is part of the concerted efforts by the GHQ and ISI.

He is blaming everything on everyone but he never says what role the Pak army played. Instead he refers to Pak army involvement developed in bits and pieces. Then he claims this:

"The reason for its entry was simply state terrorism: we were terrorised into supporting this war on 'terrorism', which has now become "our war", since we have no other way to justify it"

Does he really think we are chutia or the Pak army thinks that it can again fool people in believing this non-sense?

Pavo and Ijaz, you two are far more politically savvy to buy this crap.

The Army is the US partner in the drama that is being played out in Afghanistan and FATA. Now the US has two dimwit politicians playing the game and the army is breathing long and deep to pump air in to its chest again.

Wasn't it clear to you from the beginning that the civilian in Pakistan are being set up to save the army for another day?

After seven years of complying with the US policies, Gen. Kayani is trying to be the only patriot left in Pakistan to dump the whole thing in the civilians lap.

Zardari is no genius and he has not much left in Pakistan. So he will do his job...of being the stop gap person until the army is ready to take over again.

Article like this(Gen Aziz) will appear regularly in Pakistani press,and we will see more dimwits on TV praising the army for its great stand against the US.

Exonerate the army at your own peril.
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A word about Zardari. He really can't outfox anyone unless the person is ready to be outfoxed. Let us be clear here Altaf Hussain was the first person to pump Zardari for the President's slot. Do we not know where Altaf Hussain got this revelation from?

Zardari as politician is extremely vulnerable due to his past shenanigans. His vulnerability makes him the most manipulatable politician in Pakistan and he is one risk with the lowest cost for both the army and the US.

What is going for him is that the Pak awam are a little more sharper now and many see the game as it is being played out. Some Journalists have finally woken up too after living on lifafa all their lives.

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! Pinku #149,
My friend, you are much more interesting and credible when you blame Islam for covering up the semi-nude Hindu women of yesteryear.

I have never felt so ashamed of my religion until you told me that. Peace!

We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us! nkg #150 {"Salim...
Orrisa etc... are group clashes and these petty law and order matter is generaly resolved by local administration...
It does not need multinational force like ISAF to intervene and bomb.... "}

nkg,
Marriott etc ... are individual cases and such petty suicide matter is generally resolved by local 911 operators ...It does not need multinational force like NATO to intervene and bomb ... but then do these Einsteins know that Afghanistan is nowhere near the North Atlantic?