Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul
A few days back I saw a news item on a self-sustaining British village. Looks like Gandhi was not only ahead of his contemporaries but our contemporaries too.
It was on CNN-IBN.
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 7, 2008 03:54 am
Majumdar,A few days back I saw a news item on a self-sustaining British village. Looks like Gandhi was not only ahead of his contemporaries but our contemporaries too.
It was on CNN-IBN.
Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul
Majumdar,
Nobody cares if Gandhi was foolish or intelligent. What endears him is his ideals, which brings out the innate goodness of human beings and which reassures us about the goodness of being good.
Have we ever analysed the foolishness of Ram and Lakshman in running behind a deer or Yudhistra's acceptance to sit for a game of gambling?
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 7, 2008 03:40 am
Re: # 128Majumdar,
Nobody cares if Gandhi was foolish or intelligent. What endears him is his ideals, which brings out the innate goodness of human beings and which reassures us about the goodness of being good.
Have we ever analysed the foolishness of Ram and Lakshman in running behind a deer or Yudhistra's acceptance to sit for a game of gambling?
Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul
Majumdar,
Muslims know that their God is different from Ram. Afterall almost all of the IMs know Ramayana upside down...:)
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 7, 2008 03:12 am
Re: # 124Majumdar,
Muslims know that their God is different from Ram. Afterall almost all of the IMs know Ramayana upside down...:)
Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul
It is STILL right to think through the eyes of Gandhiji. We have a sizeable Muslim population with us and its time we started to think how we win their good will.
As Harish said, if INC or the Indian people thought Gandhiji was making unrequited and inappropriate concessions, which was against their will, they would have prevailed on them. This is what a Hindu is capable of. The concept of 'Dharmam' is too ingrained into the people of this land; they could not have acted in anyother way other than Gandhi's. In a way Gandhi represented the commoners of the majority pool. At least this has inculcated a sense of fairness or at least the importance of being fair. That’s the reason we have had upper caste people becoming the champions of lower caste.
Bharathyar, an important Tamil poet, a Brahmin revolted, against the upper caste for their discriminatory behaviour. He was duly ostracized. There are several instances and leaders like him. What I am trying to say is it was Gandhi or largely Gandhi's way of thinking that others related to shaped/shapes our conscience and made/make aware what our Dharmam is. We cannot afford to deviate.
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 7, 2008 02:41 am
Majumdar,It is STILL right to think through the eyes of Gandhiji. We have a sizeable Muslim population with us and its time we started to think how we win their good will.
As Harish said, if INC or the Indian people thought Gandhiji was making unrequited and inappropriate concessions, which was against their will, they would have prevailed on them. This is what a Hindu is capable of. The concept of 'Dharmam' is too ingrained into the people of this land; they could not have acted in anyother way other than Gandhi's. In a way Gandhi represented the commoners of the majority pool. At least this has inculcated a sense of fairness or at least the importance of being fair. That’s the reason we have had upper caste people becoming the champions of lower caste.
Bharathyar, an important Tamil poet, a Brahmin revolted, against the upper caste for their discriminatory behaviour. He was duly ostracized. There are several instances and leaders like him. What I am trying to say is it was Gandhi or largely Gandhi's way of thinking that others related to shaped/shapes our conscience and made/make aware what our Dharmam is. We cannot afford to deviate.
Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul
Cheema Saab,
I wish to think that the majority of the Muslims, who chose to stay back, wanted to have their destiny unfolded in India. They, proly, did not subscribe to the notion of religion as the only uniting factor.
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 7, 2008 12:09 am
Re: # 111Cheema Saab,
I wish to think that the majority of the Muslims, who chose to stay back, wanted to have their destiny unfolded in India. They, proly, did not subscribe to the notion of religion as the only uniting factor.
Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul
Majumdar,
"But do I take it that you agree that Muslims had far too many whims and fancies that were not acceptable to Hindoos. In that case would it not be unfair to blame MAJ (pbuh) for the Parttition, rather the blame shud be put on the entire Muslim community."
The foremost duty of a leader is to censure if his followers go wrong. When Gandhi could reproach his Hindu brethren, why not Jinnah?
Periyar makes a good example...
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 11:47 pm
Re: # 107Majumdar,
"But do I take it that you agree that Muslims had far too many whims and fancies that were not acceptable to Hindoos. In that case would it not be unfair to blame MAJ (pbuh) for the Parttition, rather the blame shud be put on the entire Muslim community."
The foremost duty of a leader is to censure if his followers go wrong. When Gandhi could reproach his Hindu brethren, why not Jinnah?
Periyar makes a good example...
Race to the Finish
Majumdar,
Thats true...Its could not only be due to mixing, probably all of them belong to the same race but differentiated gradually from North to South on account of the geography and climate.
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 11:41 pm
Re: # 648Majumdar,
Thats true...Its could not only be due to mixing, probably all of them belong to the same race but differentiated gradually from North to South on account of the geography and climate.
Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul
Majumdar,
I am not a student of history. Whatever it is, you cannot ascribe partition motives to Gandhiji. Do you mean to say that we should have been perfect and have yielded to all the whims of Muslims to keep the country intact?
To my knowledge Gandhiji was ready to go all the distance, human wisdom at that point of time would have allowed. Muslims (majority of them) never expected the partition demand to go through. They thought it would be wiser on them to keep Gandhi&Co on tenterhooks.
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 11:28 pm
Re: # 103Majumdar,
I am not a student of history. Whatever it is, you cannot ascribe partition motives to Gandhiji. Do you mean to say that we should have been perfect and have yielded to all the whims of Muslims to keep the country intact?
To my knowledge Gandhiji was ready to go all the distance, human wisdom at that point of time would have allowed. Muslims (majority of them) never expected the partition demand to go through. They thought it would be wiser on them to keep Gandhi&Co on tenterhooks.
Race to the Finish
Is Sachin, a fair looking Dravidian?
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 11:05 pm
Re: # 646Is Sachin, a fair looking Dravidian?
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Nkg,
"Curly long,dark, thick hair, large eyes, small height, quite dark skin (of Tamils)"
Sachin Tendulkat, apart from his fair complexion, fits your description very well...:)
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 11:04 pm
Re: # 556Nkg,
"Curly long,dark, thick hair, large eyes, small height, quite dark skin (of Tamils)"
Sachin Tendulkat, apart from his fair complexion, fits your description very well...:)
Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 11:01 pm
I subscribe to Majumdar's thoughts on this. It is time we started living as good neighbours and stop enriching the wallets of others by sustaining hostilities.
Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul
Harish Brother,
BJKumar's emotions against partition is quite understandable. He comes from Punjab and partition had a direct effect on the people of Punjab. There are many good things that has come out after the partition in the ensuing years. I am not sure if India had remained a single entity, it would have walked down the same course and the results at this point of time could have been undesirable.
I think neither of the majority, living today, feels bad about what happened earlier. It is time we exorcised the sadness, if at all.
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 10:58 pm
Re: # 96Harish Brother,
BJKumar's emotions against partition is quite understandable. He comes from Punjab and partition had a direct effect on the people of Punjab. There are many good things that has come out after the partition in the ensuing years. I am not sure if India had remained a single entity, it would have walked down the same course and the results at this point of time could have been undesirable.
I think neither of the majority, living today, feels bad about what happened earlier. It is time we exorcised the sadness, if at all.
Race to the Finish
Ana,
It was a light hearted banter. I don't subscribe or contribute to racist ideas.
I maintain there was no motive behind the posts. I was just trying to discuss the issue within the box.
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 06:31 am
Re: # 608Ana,
It was a light hearted banter. I don't subscribe or contribute to racist ideas.
I maintain there was no motive behind the posts. I was just trying to discuss the issue within the box.
Race to the Finish
Nkg,
We all know the answers...What is the point in regurgitating it? Its time we started not to see education as exams and excellence in terms of marks. We are a whole bunch of confused population, not knowing how to achieve excellence in education.
Tell me Nkg, how many IAS officers inspire you for intelligence, integrity and achievement?
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 06:13 am
Re: # 605Nkg,
We all know the answers...What is the point in regurgitating it? Its time we started not to see education as exams and excellence in terms of marks. We are a whole bunch of confused population, not knowing how to achieve excellence in education.
Tell me Nkg, how many IAS officers inspire you for intelligence, integrity and achievement?
Race to the Finish
Sorry Ana if that hurt you :(
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 06:10 am
Re: # 604Sorry Ana if that hurt you :(
Race to the Finish
Nkg,
It was a light hearted banter with Majumdar. Intelligence has no connection to race/religion....
Posted by
vengatramanan
May 6, 2008 05:27 am
Re: # 600Nkg,
It was a light hearted banter with Majumdar. Intelligence has no connection to race/religion....
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